Health eConversations

I’m a type 2 diabetic and I’ve written a few things about the disease. There are many other conditions out there in the real world. This page is dedicated to help you and others on the road to recovery, mentally and physically. Feel free to write about your health issues – and those of others – your friends, your relatives, pretty much anyone. Openly discuss what bothers you and what you are doing to correct your problems. Comment on others, too, but keep it constructive. If you have Web sites in mind, please add links so others may learn.

The following information is designed to inspire people to take charge of medical conditions. It, in no way, proffers any diagnostic advice. Take it for what it’s worth; good, friendly information. Open up. No one will be held accountable for what is written.

571 thoughts on “Health eConversations

  1. Well I guess it is time to come out of my closet.

    I sent an email to Dave and a link to an article I had wrote a few years ago. Dave is the kind of man who you can share a confidence with. I explained to Dave that the reason I did not discuss the following with anyone is because I did not want pity. I also wanted to be on a par with my fellow bloggers. I do not want anyone to feel sorry to me as I have had one hell of a good life and count my blessings every day.

    We can all look around and see others so much worse off and feel lucky.

    My Garden of Weeden
    by Detwill39

    After contracting polio in 1953, I faced the challenge of leg braces and crutches. By 1981, I became a wheelchair user with post-polio syndrome. By this time, my three daughters were quite self-sufficient and I had some blessed leisure time.

    Coming from a family of avid gardeners, I thought, why not me too? My knowledge of gardening was quite limited, except for minor chores back home in the family garden before I acquired a disability. I obtained a copy of The Complete Vegetable Garden by John Seymore. And a very compassionate husband, fortunately for me, was handy with carpentry tools.

    At first we erected four planters, measuring eight feet long and two feet wide with a depth of approximately 14 inches. These planters were supported by legs and cross braces to make an overall height of about 28 inches.

    The planters were placed parallel to each other, with ample room to manoeuvre the wheelchair between each one. Each planter was filled with purchased garden soil and peat moss. A lightweight garden hose took care of the watering needs. My first crops consisted of radishes, onions, carrots, beets, Swiss chard and tomatoes.

    There is an advantage to container planting: Because of the wide row system, radishes, carrots and the like can be spaced as little as two inches apart.

    A good-sized crop can be harvested from a confined space. Close planting also creates shading, eliminating most weeds while retaining moisture in the soil. Most crops require tilling the soil only to a depth of eight inches. This can readily be done with small hand tools. Cucumbers, a vine crop, can be trained up five-foot poles and still be within easy reach of a gardener using a wheelchair. The height of the planters enables the wheelchair user to garden with a minimum of exertion. You are also in a position to make eye contact with any garden pests — get a jump on the flea beetle before he lands on your prized tomatoes!

    My planters were so successful that my husband then built my “Garden of Weeden.” This garden is 45 feet long by 30 feet wide. With the exception of a small tool shed and gateway, two-foot-wide planters extend around the full perimeter. The central area comprises three planters measuring 10 feet by four feet, lawn space bordered with flowers, and a few small shrubs thrown in.

    A wooden walkway provides sufficient space to service all planting areas. A watering hose is mounted at each end of the garden.

    Unless you are a fanatic gardener like myself, a garden this size is an option rather than a necessity. Much success and pleasure can be derived from smaller ones.

    I can truly say my “Garden of Weeden” has been my utopia — a place where I can get lost in the magic of nature. Stress evaporates once I wheel through that gate and am in complete control of my surroundings. I spend so much time in my garden, I expect my wheelchair tires will one day take root.

    Like the saying goes, we have to “stop and smell the roses.” My philosophy is, “Let’s grow ’em!”

  2. Detwill; That garden sounds like your pride and joy, and without it you would be forever on the computer. I love the outdoors, the odors of grass, yes even maneur, wheat, veggies, roses, I like the bees, and watch with fascintion, worms twirlling the soil.

    It is with great dignity that you tell us your story of overcoming a health obstacle and making it a flourishing hobbie. That’s what I love about you Det.

    Mounds of courage. Thanks for sharing.

  3. Ahh thanks Weezie ….It was all Dave’s fault, my coming out. He is so darn nice to us. But but but, I get to burn rubber now and run over some toes. My top speed is 6km/hr so I can be a maniac.

    Later I will tell you about the fun times and some of my experiences over the years.

  4. Loved your story, detill39!
    You should submit that to Birds and Blooms magazine.
    I am an avid gardener myself. It’s nice of you to share a solution to a problem for those who are wheel chair bound. It seems like more and more women and men are getting afflicted with maladies that puts them into limited mobility.
    For those who are in such a position articles like yours is a God-send. So, I am serious about the Birds and Blooms submission. They are online. You may even be able to submit this article that way on their site.
    Blessings, detwill39!
    And here I thought you were going to confess to being a man in real life…

  5. Coreysmom~~that article did appear in the Abilities Magazine published in Toronto Canada. As a result of my article, I received calls and letter from folks interested in accessible gardens. One gentleman had a garden built but on a smaller scale than mine. He and his wife came to visit me to see my garden before getting his constructed. He had a tumor in his spine and even tho the docs put a shunt in, he became paralyzed and wheelchair bound. We kept in touch for a couple of years and then his wife wrote me of his passing. At least, he got to enjoy a couple years with a passtime he enjoyed so much.

    I am not a man thank God…they have to shave but I just tweeze.

    I did have my 10 minutes of fame on CBC television back in ’94. First Edition had my garden on there. Does that make me a celebrity?

  6. Detwill; you could re emerge as a might celeb. I agree you should post it with Blooms and see what happens. Perhaps someone can do a graphic design and you could sell it on EBAY?
    Why not?

  7. That is enough about me.. It is quite a transition going from Detwill, the sleuth to a weeding wonder.

    Who’s next? Maybe someone has an ingrown toenail? Hey, a good remedy for fungi toes or dry and brittle toenails is Vick Vapor rub. You wouldn’t believe how fast it works.

  8. Weezie~~I do not want to be a celebrity unless Phyllis Diller needs someone to stand in for her. Oh forget it, just remembered, I can stand for very long. Oh well, maybe a woman Iron Side.

  9. Vicks Vapo rub? Where on earth? Does it take it away permanently? Never had the affliction but who knows, it might come up one day.

    My Mom used to rub it on my chest when I had a chest infection, or in my nose to clear the nostrills but never toes.

    Here’s one for you. MUSTARD PLASTER.

    1 to 3 ratio. 1 TBSP Keene’s hot mustard
    3 TBSP Flour
    Mix till creamy. Put it in an old pillow case or any cotton piece about that size. Fold it up and place it on the chest for 15 minutes. Then place on your back for same amount of time.
    IMPORTANT. Always put talcom powder on the surface of the skin before placing the plaster on, to avoid burning. IT WORKS!

  10. Weezie~~OMG that was my mom’s favorite, the mustard plaster. Thank goodness I never was one of her victims. Believe it or not, some of those old remedies work better than over-the-counter meds. BTW, the Vicks makes the toesnails soft and surrounding skin pink. I just learned about it from a friend and tried it. You have to apply it for a few days and only again, after a few weeks if the toenails become dry again. I guess you would never have to worry about getting a cold in your toes. LOL

  11. wow detwill….great solution. Nice that you have come out of the closet….what an entry !!!

  12. Seriously Det. where did you hear about Vic’s helping toenails. that is truly a new one.

    BTW: Can you imagine. I did this mustard plater on my DAD, when he got sick, but he was suffereing from Cancer, I forgot to do the baby powder and he got burnt on his chest. I was never so embarassed and horrified to look at the burn. Yes is works but you have to be careful…… I had them maybe 50 times as a child so I’m still here to talk about it.

  13. Thanks Det. I sent this to my best friend who suffers from a similar problem. I will see what she has to say in due time.

    I want to post this wonderfully written post from the Blog that I belong to, It has been my pleasure to help and be assisted by these amazing friends. You will see what I mean. Just read.

    Somebody mentioned that this blog is a sad place and I wanted to take a minute and say some things that I think are important for all of us to keep in mind.
    1. We are NOT statistics, we are people! We can survive this and if we don’t -we will fight couragously until the end and nothing can take that away from us. Some people live their whole lives and don’t face a fraction of what most of us have already faced and we have prevailed over most of it. Cancer is our enemy and one of the weapons it uses against us is stealing our hope.
    2. We need to stand proud! Show off our bald heads and scarred bodies and be proud that we have lived through these horrible things and have come out with our dignity in tact. I admit I cried over eyelashes, but I dusted myself off and got right back in the battle—don’t be sidetracked by vanity. Grieve and then get back in the fight with me, I need you!
    3. We are a community! Even though most of us have never met each other in person, we are bound by a uniting bond of love that other groups should envy. We are truly saddened by our friends trials, but we gain strength from each other to fight on.
    4. We may not all win this battle, we may lose some of our most valiant warriors but we will continue on in this battle till the war is won. We don’t have a choice. We are the front lines and it is up to us to defeat this enemy that is trying to steal us from our families and our lives. Someday when we all meet on the other side, we will tell our battle tales and we will amaze those around us. We are able to see so much more than some of the healthy ones around us, and while it is hard to consider ourselves the lucky ones—we do have a gift that they don’t. We know, without a doubt-that life is precious and cancer is a powerful foe, but it doesn’t rule us, it doesn’t control us, and it does not get to win, ever.
    Whew…had to get that out.

  14. Weezie~~oh my God, I don’t know what to say. What a powerful post and so very true. The battle continues with so many brave fighters in the struggle for survival. I can tell by your comments that you are strong Weezie and I admire you. You take the time to reach out to help others. This shows a real loving human being. Hugs Kiddo!

  15. Weezie, I am actually sitting here at a loss for words. I apologize for my crack about not having cancer….what was I thinking ! To be honest, although my fight is hard I do feel blessed that I am not dealing with Cancer.

    I have not really wanted to think of your situation as I do have a way of putting my head in the sand until I can deal with whatever. Cancer opens pandora’s box for me. At this point, I don’t want to say anything more as I don’t know whether it would be a negative without me meaning it as such.

  16. Hi lulu~~thanks hon but I cannot take all the credit for being strong. For 30 yrs I had a wonderful man in my life, well actually two, my hubby who I called my spine, and the Man up above who carried me along the way and still does.

    I had to down size my garden the past six years as I am dealing with post-polio syndrome. The damn disease comes back to haunt you and hits with a double whammy the second time around.

    But I still have my sex appeal and go after the judge, Dave, Padilla and a couple neighbors. One of my male neighbors is a great help to me when it comes to gardening. Thank God, he settles for a pay back in buscuits and not the hanky panky.

    lulu~~I hope you will come back to this site anytime, even if you have a rhinestone stuck in your naval and we will get you a remedy to remove same.

  17. Hi Newbie~~ never worry about apologizing for mentioning the word cancer. We are all terrified of the big C. Weezie will tell you the same. The other night when you mentioned your foot was burning, I tried to convince you it was the gout and you probably ate rich food. I had no idea what you are dealing with. How are things going for you? I am having a ‘pain’ day but hopefully I can limber up a bit and forge on.

  18. Wow!! I feel a lot of things at once–admiration for the courage of Detwill and Weezie, wonder and enthusiasm for the great strength of our species, our ability to adapt and survive almost anything. A bit of surprise, since in frequent discussions of Dave’s problems, these challenges did not come up.

    I also feel a certain amount of, er, relief, since I no longer have to picture myself as the only dysfunctional person amid a bevy of competent, athletic beauties.

    My challenges are not as sympathetic as cancer or polio, and I have made no secret about it, but I will tick off the list now, officially.
    I suffer recurring clinical depression, my diagnosis would probably be cyclothymic, a sub-category of bi-polar disorder.
    Also, I am now up to about 130 pounds overweight, which has become a serious challenge.
    And, one reason for the weight gain, I have had a problem with muscle pain and stiffness, mainly in the legs, which could be multiple sclerosis, but left me unable to walk more than 5 or ten minutes at a time for the best part of a year. (That is much, much better now)
    I have a very strong aversion to doctors, and little or no health insurance, depending on the whim of the company, so I am always self-medicating and happy to recommend herbs or vitamins for any number of problems.

    I’ve always read of mustard plasters, but I’ve never heard any explanation for their efficacy. Theories, ladies? Is it just the sort of heat it produces? Like those commercial ‘sports rubs’? I suppose that would have to be it. The heat alone would draw more blood to the afflicted area, cleansing more toxins from the area and keeping it well-supplied with oxygen, etc. Then, the irritation might act as a counter-irritant as well…
    My dad swears by a capsaicin cream, which would be very similar in effect, I believe.

    Thanks for sharing!

  19. detwill, I think I was rather flippant when I sad it at the end of a note to Weezie…..daaahhh.

    I hadn’t said anything about the rsds on line and actually got a big kick out of the gout remark!! Pain, oh what a bitter companion. IT and I am going round and round a bit today. Sorry to hear yours is barking at you today also. Yes, maybe with movement it will get better or we can distract ourselves. Escape !!!

    What pain meds do you take, if you don’t mind saying. I cheat every once in awhile and break my rules on pain meds but as I age, I am about ready to give in. lol

    I must tell …..after my appointment yesterday I had forced myself into the mode of I will stop while in town and get needed items. Small Walmart store….I have it worked out…I know I am good to get into the store, grab a cart to lean on until I get to the motorized carts or whatever they are. Oh yes, I am free and doing this on my own…..hell, I turn the car off, gurgle, gurgle…little steam from under the hood and antifreeze all over the ground. The cell phone that my son providing me with although I protested, is dead…didn’t charge the battery. Okay, I can go to customer service, they can call their auto department and I’ll handle it from there. Nope, auto department only does oil changes etc. So, on my older brother’s 70th birthday I have to call him to come help me. I am so busted……he fussed at me a little because I had no business bla bla bla and why hadn’t I paid attention and charged my phone…(huh?)… I could have been on the highway bla bla bla. I know he will mention to one of my kids and then I will be talked to as if I were a child…politely done but still bla bla bla……that is why I don’t tell anyone near me anything. Save that chit for when I am older. lol I did say that to my oldest boy, save that til I am old, and he just chuckled and said “mom, you are old.” Chit. Chit and chit.

  20. Kari…I didn’t see you there until now… also have a tough row to hoe. I have to chuckle as this post is sure allowing us to r-e-a-l-l-y get to know one another.

    Now, I must get up and move around some.

  21. Kari~~I am so glad you popped in to visit and to share. I guess you can call us a bunch of ‘Ouch Potatoes’. Alot of us have a cross to bear, some a little heavier than others. I agree your theory of the heat helping to bring the blood to a painful joint and supplying oxygen. When a joint is deprived of oxygen, the cells tend to break down. I have a trusty old hot water, who I named Sammy, and snuggle up with him on a good many occasions.

    Being deathly allergic to ASA, I cannot take anti-inflammatorys and certain creams or lotions that contain it.

    As far as the weight gain, comfort foods come into play when we are feeling down. My culprits are doughnuts and those dreaded biscuits. They are both trigger foods and taste some darn good and satisfying when one is feeling down.

    Kari~~I hope you will come back again. I doubt if there are any here who have not suffered some degree of depression in their lifetime. Take good care and return soon. Hugs until then.

  22. Newbie~~what a sin about your car but you made it. You should have told your brother he was grumpy due to adding another year to his age…I can relate to the kids checking for any signs of dementia. Mine don’t mess with me since I put them to the challenge. I do not drive since I gave up the manaul w/chair and tgot this motorized one six yrs ago. I have to hire Need a Lift for transportation and they are very costly.

    Re my meds, tylenol extra strength -1 tab am and pm, plus a lose dose anti-anxiety/muscle relaxant and glucosamine, calcium and cod liver oil caps.
    The docs told me to take more pain meds but I hate to put chemicals in my body that may affect the liver over the long haul.

  23. detwill…it is a shame we are not neighbors…..I could give you a ride to the store and you could give me a ride in the store. lol

    As far as being fussed at, I only take so much of it then you can talk to the hand or worse. lol

    Now, I am off to business…ugh…..enjoyed the conversation.

  24. Capsaicin,which is derived from jalapeno peppers, is used a lot by diabetics with neuropathy pain. I haven’t used it because my pain is very sporadic. It jabs me more than it is ever a constant pain. It’s something you can’t describe to someone who’s never experienced it.

    This is wonderful that you all are willing to talk about health concerns. It is a way to help heal yourselves while helping others.

  25. Dave~~have you ever noticed that your neuropathy tends to be worse after consuming certain spices? A person can overlook that what we consume can be an irritant to nerve ends. I will check on that Capsaicin. It would be a miracle if I could find something for pain that didn’t contain ASA.

  26. Capsaicin is no different from rubbing a hot pepper on your skin. The heat numbs. It’s topical. I know foods that increase my blood sugar, like pasta, will trigger pain in my toes mostly, and elsewhere. Spices don’t seem to bother me at all. I have neuropathy and it will get worse with time. My main problem these days has been headaches. I take Tylenol or prescription Fioricet for that and there doesn’t seem to be a cause. You might want to talk to your doctor about alternative prescriptions for pain. The Elavil I take for neuropathy is also used to treat depression. A lot of medications work for different problems. Years ago, when I had hiccups for almost 2 weeks, the doctor prescribed thorazine, mainly used for schizophrenia. I took 2 pills instead of one right from the start and it really spaced me out big time. I made it back to the bedroom and slept like a baby for the first time in weeks almost. Lo and behold, the hiccups were gone. I’ll tell you though, I treated the rest of those pills like a new kind of high. Who needed booze? Anyway, on those types of medications come warnings about suicidal thoughts and I never get them because I don’t take Elavil for depression. They do help me sleep, though, as you can tell when my comments subside at night.

  27. Dave~~yes I noticed you fell asleep last when I was having mind sex with you. I was trying to make a third thought to get more child maintenance from you. Sadly, once you started snoring, my mind went blank and urge was gone.

  28. Dave~~ meds work different in each person due to their metabolism (sp)…I took Zoloft one time and was like a zombie. It was a horrible experience that I never want to go thru again. Some folks take it and swear by it. It took about 3 days for the med to get in my system. I couldn’t eat or perform at all, just sat and cried and thought I was dying. Unfortunately, it is a med that you cannot stop taking abruptly and I had to be weaned off the Zoloft. It took another 3 days to get off of it and since then, I am terrified when I start a new med.

  29. I know my mother started off with Elavil for diabetic neuropathy and it didn’t do a thing for her. She took Neurontin and then Lyrica for a long time but it caused her to slur and stutter. I’m pretty sure she takes Cymbalta now and it’s pretty good so far.

  30. Oh! I’ve been reading and scanning through Open Forum to catch up, and I find I must add Newbie to my list of courageous women! It is an added burden to bear when people don’t understand, or have never even heard of, your malady. They have this disgusting tendency to think you are just a hypochondriac, and urge you to cheer up.

    I had never heard of this rsds, and I will do some more research on it. Could it connect with shingles or tic dolorosa? Could it connect with fibromyalgia? A similar mechanism, perhaps?

  31. Kari, I might as well come out of the

    Why there is still a stigma attached to depression I’ll never get. I’m 56 and I started taking antidepressants at 24. In that 32 year period I’ve tried going off about 6 times. No dice. Although, everytime I go off I am happy about the weight I lose-about 20 pounds.
    My mother had the disease but refused to seek treatment even when the treatment became effective. Her mother was bipolar but somehow I’ve been cheated of the manic side.(just kidding.I know how bad it is from living with my grandmother. Electric shock was all that was available and it did work, but not without side effects. I take perverse pride in knowing grandma could escape a straight jacket).
    I never bring the antidepressants up with people I don’t know well, and always kept it under my hat at work.
    People usually don’t understand how the meds work-some people even think they make you “high”. And they don’t understand that you essentially take a cocktail of meds to counteract the side effects. Right now I take cymbalta and wellbutrin because I need dopamine and seratonin. Then strattera to counteract the lethargy. I’d love to be 20 pounds thinner, but I’d rather be happy, and I am.

  32. RSDS must be bad, but I have been diagnosed with fybromyalgia in 1989, pain everywhere esp, in my fingers during preg. but it is not an official dissease here with pills or anything, nothing can be done and the best thing to do is just live healthy. Move a lot!
    It is not dangerous, just some pain the whole day and after 9 at night you are pooped. And I have artrose, they just spray something in your joint if the pain gets too bad and it is gone for a while. Doctors can tell you what to do. Just don’t think about it. It is better to pay no attention at all.

  33. Lulu – My mother takes Cymbalta for diabetic neuropathy. Funny, I mentioned that drug to detwill39 last night. I take Elavil for neuropathy, but all it does is make me tired.

  34. It is nice to see you all. David, what a good idea this Health eConversations is….you are brilliant and I am brown nosing ! lol

    I will be back in a second.

  35. Lulu~~bless your heart and thanks for popping in to see us. Alot of us have a chemical imbalance due to seritonin levels, and if a pill works, why should we suffer? You are definitely not alone. It is too bad there is such a stigma about depression and other mental issues we endure. More people are speaking out and that is one of the best therapys there is. Folks who have panic attacks are afaid to discuss them because of ridicule. Times have changed and thank God people are changing their attitudes.

    Lulu~~do you have a rhinestone stuck in your naval? Shucks, I thought I could play doc and remove it for you. Take good care sweetie!

  36. I had forgotten about this site. There is another which I will post next. The biggest hope I have is that you look into rsds a little bit……if I had only known I would have better chances of remission. You may even help someone else by just filing this away in your brain…..if you have room.
    I just lost the link I put into “copy.” grrr

  37. Kari…..I think being treated as the hypocondriac is the worst. I think Casey Anthony’s angry face and words “come on” could sum it up for me. The ailment, whatever it be, is bad enough then you are totally disrespected by some doctors who look down their nose as they say, “It is all in your mind.” Now, all that pops in my head is “not chit sherlock, my brain was telling me something is wrong. You bet your sweet bippy I am depressed….FIX IT. lol

  38. Lulu….I had a friend back in the sixties that would now and then need shock treatments. It seems after that they just experimented with the meds that were available. God love her, she was really a great person and it hurt to see her go through the limited medical solutions and the stigma that went with it all.
    You sure are one smart woman to do as your body needs ! Those who don’t understand…..oh well. Well, we already knew you were smart but this really shows you have good sense also. lol

  39. I wonder if owners of dead pets can donate the organs of the animals to other animals. If anyone know if it is possible 🙂 I would like to know how and where it is done.

  40. Ina~~I think this forum is to discuss humans first and foremost. Research on animals for science has been going on for some time. That is a whole different topic and really not meant for this forum. In order for our health discussion to be successful, and it has had a good start, it is best not to sway from the topic at hand. I know you will take this into consideration. Thanks.

  41. I don’t understand why your last comment was posted instead of sending it by email to Dave or directly to Ina.

    I like everyone in here but am absolutely tired of this chit.


  42. Newbie~~it certainly wasn’t intended to cause any problems. I just thought it was best to stay on topic. There is no need for you to leave, I will instead.

  43. Man, I leave for a little while and there’s trouble already. Yes, this page is for human health issues. That is why it is called Health eConversations. It’s not about organ donations for animals. No one has to leave. Come on, why are we all so sensitive?

  44. Newbie means well! Hey newbs, thank you, don’t leave, really perhaps there is some logic in it we don’t see.
    Sorry, I hadn’t grasped that it was not for animals.
    As they get sick too and as some people call them their children. Could you open a thread on that perhaps? If not, ok too. Don’t get your danders up!

  45. I am here to apologize for my comment which I should have kept to myself, period.

    I would ask that if any one has a comment past that about this they send it directly to my email:

    aintbad22 @
    That way we can keep this post as it should be. I again apologize.

  46. Thank you, Newbie, but what you said didn’t really warrant an apology. Things have been tense around here lately. It’s like walking on eggshells in the hen house.

  47. lulu~~oh shucks! We shall all forge on and help each other in one way or another. I am having a good day ‘pain wise’ so there is light at the end of the tunnel.. a beautiful sunny day here, it seems to be great medicine, and it’s free too.


  48. Great idea, Detwill you are amazing. Really I mean that. I am a healthy thirty something, and I mean thirty something. I lie about my age so often I have forgot how old I am. My issues are more mental, I miss my twins everyday but my life has gone on without them and I feel guilty any suggestions???? I am really sorry for all of you who have health issues not because it makes you less of a person but because you are all my friends so I will pray for pain-free and more healthy days for all of you.

  49. Well, detwill, damnit…..I must apologize directly to you and not do it in email. I do owe you a public apology.

    I in making my comment, should have directed that advice to myself. I did exactly what I pointed the finger at you for……I am truly sorry.

  50. laura~~well if you are a healthy 30 something, then it will be your job to come in here and cheer us up. Okay?

    This forum is for anyone even if they don’t have a medical issues. You can discuss neighbors, relatives or anyone your little heart desires re their health problems, if they have any. Hey, maybe you have some good remedies for staying so young and healthy or advice to wanna be runners.

  51. Newbie~~It is all history now and you have no need to apologize at all. I sincerely mean that my friend. I try to take the strain off Dave as he is so good to us and a real sweetheart for putting this forum here. It is nice to share and know we are not alone battling our illness, be it mental or physical. Another hug for you.

  52. I agree Dave. Yes to stay young all you have to do is lie about your age. Make sure your children aren’t around because they will blab your real age or make your older just to confuse you. If you can’t run, try walking if you can’t walk just try moving more then usual for at least 20 minutes a day. You can exercise how ever your body works. My uncle use to ride in his wheel chair while I ran. It got his heart pumping faster so that is considered exercise. Just try to keep positive attitudes and remember your friends are always here for you. I would be crushed if I didn’t talk to you all every couple of days but I prefer everyday. Believe it or not I am happier now, then I had been in the last year since I lost my babies. You all are good for my soul. Kind of mushy uh?

  53. Strange Dave, I just took a tylenol for a stupid headache. I need someone to massage the tension out of the back of my neck. My sil ended up in emerg today and spent 5 hrs, it was so busy. His BP was over the roof and we thought it may have been heart related but the docs said probably a pulled muscle. They took X-rays but no blood work was done. Sometimes in emerg, they just put a bandaid on you and tell you to take an aspirin. Daughter’s hubby is making an appt with his family doc tomorrow for the BP and tests.

  54. No, not mushy at all, Laura. You are good for my soul, too. Everyone is. This is our nice little community and it needs to stay nice. On the Anthony posts, it’s a little different and we expect that, but it should be for everyone, not one person. All.

  55. I hope he’s OK, detwill39. Maybe x-rays tell ER doctors something. I take a baby aspirin every morning and fish oil at night for my heart. That’s doctor’s orders. For headaches, I take Tylenol. 81 mg aspirin is all I am allowed to take because of the anemia.

  56. laura~~I used to get lots of exercise in my manual w/chair, sometimes too much. I threw my shoulder out and the physio docs said I should go to a motorized chair. The joints in my shoulders and elbows were just wearing out. I was stubborn about the change because, if you don’t use it, you lose it. Now I am a speed maniac so will challenge you to a race anytime. I am only good for 10 miles on a full battery charge so may have to buy a few miles of extension cord.

  57. LOL Detwill. That would be a long extension cord. I can run 15 miles. After that I slow down to a jog. I quit at 19 miles. I will even give you head start, they always let wheel chairs have 4 minute head start. Kind of sad I have never passed one but those guys are fast. Do you miss manual chair, or are you spoiled now?

  58. laura~~I should have got the motorized chair about 10 yrs ago and there would be less damage done to my arms. Most folks who have disabilities tend to be over-achievers and as a result we wear out faster. I think we just try to prove to the world, we can do anything they can. It always pays to be stubborn. I was 14 when I became paralyzed from the midspine down. With polio, you do not lose the sensation in your limbs. If a fly landed on you, you will it. The nerves in the spine are damaged from the disease, and those nerves are needed to send the message to the brain. I can send a msg “move leg” and no one up there answers the phone. LOL

  59. Got it. Well I would say sorry but then if this hasn’t happened to you, you would not be the person you are today. I am just glad that you haven’t let it slow you down.

  60. detwill, referring to 7:59 p.m. comment……not only do we need to swap mirrors, ride to and in a store together, but also trade in ailments…..your brain does not answer the phone on ‘move leg” calls and I work at too many phone calls made and received …..all wrong numbers.

  61. Dave, it is this afternoon you see the SS doctor? If so, I hope you get a good one….not one that tells you it is all in your head……lol

  62. Newbie~~now if we was siamese twins, we could have a good old time. You could answer my phone and I would put all your phones on hold.
    Hope you are having a good day..bbl

  63. Yes, Newbie, my appointment is at 2 pm. The final decision about disability will not rest in his hands. I have a contact with the Florida Department of Health, a Medical Disability Adjudicator, who will render a decision and forward it to Social Security. He will give his recommendation to her. If I am denied, I have an attorney I originally spoke to. She told me with all my medical problems, I should qualify without counsel. We’lee see, I guess. Thans for asking.

  64. Well, if we’re all happy then I am glad that you are glad that we’re all happy.

    Just being silly….that didn’t work out like I thought it would. hmph

  65. A normal pulse rate is between 72 and 84.

    Normal blood pressure is 120 over 80.

    Dave, if your pulse was 72 today, the meds have to be doing their job. CHF and lung problems go hand in hand. If the heart muscle weakens and is unable to pump the blood to the extremeties, the excess fluid will back up in the lungs.
    CHF is treatable with meds and moderate exercise as well as being on a good diet regimen.
    Under the care of a good doc, a person can maintain a good quality of life for years with CHF. The CAT scan will show any abnormalties, such as blockages or valve problems. Do you remember what your white cell count was today?

  66. The white cell count (WBC) has always been normal. That’s why leukemia has been discounted. All along, it’s been the RBC, platelets, hemoglobin and hematocrit that have been below normal, sometimes low enough that it’s scared my doctors. I’ve been tested for blood loss (there is none) and I’m anemic. When there’s no leakage, then blood and/or bone marrow problems are usually to blame. That would explain the enlarged liver and spleen, but the blood problem will go on the back burner for now since my counts went up. The heart and lungs are more important.

    The Coreg (carvedilol) was doubled from 6.25mg X 2/day (12.5mg) to 12.5mg X 2/day (25 mg). Also the hydrochlorothiazide (diuretic) was bumped from 12.5mg/day to 25mg/day. My PAD med, Trental was doubled. Good thing my A1c number (for diabetes) was good. 5.6 is the same number I had when I was first tested 2.5 years ago. It had gotten as high as 6.5, I believe, on my last test. Anything under 7.0 for a diabetic is within reason. You would probably test at 4.something as a non-diabetic.

  67. Dave~~keep doing whatever your doing because things look pretty good. You may want to discuss with your doctor about moderate exercise and just working into it gradually. Stress is a big big factor in controlling our metabolism. Remember when I brought up the subject of adrenaline. This is a major player in regulating your immune system. In other words, try and enjoy what you are doing. When someone or something gets on your nerves, back away, take a break, or write. I do not mean a post for a blog. Pamper yourself first and foremost. You will have lots of time to cater to all our whims and do it with a whole new prespective, when you are feeling good.

    Love and kisses, Mommy Det

  68. Dave, I agree with everything Mommy Det just said. You would probably feel better if you flirted more, went to the beach, found me houses to look at, or just take a nap after you go to open forum and answer all my questions. But seriously I am glad that you are on the mend! I worry about you, what would all of us women do without our man???? I can’t even think about it.

  69. laura~~keep flirting with Dave. Maybe you can take credit for his blood counts being good today.

    We are our own biggest enemies and today is the first day of the rest of our lives. We are in control.

  70. detwill….you made me feel better too. It is good to have someone that Dave can listen to and sometimes “cover” for him……I don’t mean that as a joke either. It appears you know what you are talking about !!!

  71. Newbie~~thanks for the vote of confidence. I don’t know what the hell I am talking about half the time. I just blab things out and, if I am lucky, they make sense. In all seriousness, we only travel down this road the one time. It is not selfish for us to stop and spend some time with our inner selves. It is like taking an inventory of ourselves. Who am I now compared to who I used to be? If I had to send my resume to God, to get to meet St Peter, what would I put on it?

    I recall my dad telling my mom one time when they got in an argument, ” I’ll be sitting right next to St Peter when you arrive old woman, and I’ll tell him where to send you.”

  72. My mom and dad only had one fight during their entire marriage. The only problem, it began shortly after the nuptials and went into infinity. They stopped arguing long enough for mom to get preg and have 7 of us. She was a feisty lady from England and dad was a very passive Canadian. They loved each other to bits, in between arguments. No wonder I ended up a bit kooky. LOL

  73. hey detwill, you like to investigate and you are good at summations. Would you delve into the link I posted 12:46 May 31 and provide me a summary? Please, pretty please?

  74. Newbie~~that is alot of info to try and summarize. Is there one particular area or subject you want me to look into?

    How about telling me more of how Rsds affects you right now? Is it totally confined to your foot and leg?

  75. God love ya detwill, I was trying to pull an internet joke…..I don’t think I have the heart for it now….well, at least not to pull it on you. You might just jump in there and do it !!!!

    I will practice on my sister. lol

  76. Newbie~~please keep in mind that I am not a medic but am familar with a few things. Are you under the care of a specialists and what options are they giving you?

  77. Newbie~~are you familar with sympathectomies? That is not a joke. I wont do one on your head. LOL

  78. That was bad of me. I won’t try internet jokes here again. I was afraid you might get started and not come back to the post. Whew. I do hope you like pranks…..that is what I should be calling it…a prank.

  79. Yes mam….sympathectomies…lol…..Oh lord….too good but I promise I won’t ever do anything like that again…..

  80. Newbie~~you are a little stinker. When you posted that, I went in and read alot, not all, but alot. That is why I asked about the sympathectomy. I had one to warm my right foot years ago. They went into my spine, thru the front and snipped a nerve. I thought about you because I was wondering if the docs ever suggested block the nerve to your leg. Honest!

  81. Oh my goodness….I sure fell for that Newbie…LOL When I went to that website, I thought, “the poor dear is having some sort of mental attack so I will humor her.” Oh God, now you have me laughing so hard…bless you Newbie….you might need it…if I can get my hands on you…it wont be your leg that is hurting… ha ha ha ha

  82. You sure can get your mind in gear fast, I must say.
    The sympathectomy was mentioned at one time and I want to say with rsd, the results weren’t good because of phantom pain plus it caused the rsd to take other paths or spread. Thank you for asking. I think I will check with the doc again.
    The way they are relieving some of the pain now is radio frequency lesioning….basically burning the tops of the nerves in the spine….it really really helps so……I am due another treatment right soon…..we all just kind of sick back and and treat it on an “as needed” basis.

    I must say it has been such a good day on the new post and detwill you made my day with your quickness.
    Oh, you can slap for the prank next time you see me. lol

  83. slap me…good Lord, looks like time to give it up….I proof read that…..maybe it is because I got to laughing so much.


  84. I will look for them after I get back…..

    By the way, I read about how polio cares to make another grand entrance later in life……I don’t remember the correct terms but what a witch !!
    The body is a wonderful thing yet when things go wrong…, oh, man.
    I am headed to the porch with coffee in hand. Must say good night to my flowers.

  85. It aint what ya gut, it’s how you use it. You would never make a very good pervert by the sounds of things. Maybe you are and just use the sneak attack….ya know…$5 in your wallet and then produce a $20 ….. to buy a coffee or whatever…

    Aren’t you glad, I came into your dull life?

  86. lol….that is way too much…..ooh, whew…detwill, I’ll leave it to you for a comeback on Dave’s comment… lol All I can think of is tweezers.

  87. Newbie~~did you check out my link? Just scroll up a couple…I was looking for Preparation H for you and found a ho ho ho.

  88. Yep , sure did…..I’m still laughing…..that’s what you get for looking for Preparation H !!!!

    To be honest, I sat and thought for a minute after reading the guy’s question. Blonde moment…lol

  89. Is there a doctor in the house? I need something for blackfly bites. Uh huh, just had a thought……..ohhhhhhh Newbie, can I borrow some of your Prep H…only if you have used in on your face and not on the other end…

    I think I will take a few of these magazines with me…..geez True Stories from 1952….wow, this magazine has outlived my wine…

  90. Dee~~don’t worry hon, I am going for therapy tomorrow. Damn flies chased me in the house. There is a babbling brook across the road from my house and I guess that is a good breeding place. They don’t bother you when the sun is out but as soon as a big cloud covers the sun, they zero in for the attack.

  91. I guess I am in “lockup”. What I asked was “Detwill, how bout Ben Gay?”

    DAVE: I let you out, Newbie.

  92. Dave~~I know the big 57 is coming up. I just think of Heinz 57. You know, in recognition of your old age, they should put your pic on the Ketchup bottle. Just think of all the women who will start eating French fries just to see you.
    I will buy the squeeze bottles, in that case.

  93. Newbie~~Why do they call Ben gay? They already have a Straight razor. Now we are sexing our tools and lotions.

  94. Raw onions on French fries with ketchup? Ketchup with horseradish mixed in….hmm, hmmm, good no matter what you dip.

  95. Onions are next to garlic as to being good for you. My favorite is mackerel simmered in court bouillon. Smother the fish with raw onions and a bit of vinegar. Serve with potatoes boiled in their jackets.

  96. Dave~~it is just water, onions, vinegar, salt, celery chopped (optional). When you gently boil a fish in the court bouillon, it is really good. I only use mackerel and have never tried salmon or other fish.

  97. Sweet Jesus, I think I might survive the doctors! !
    I have to look back at my records but I think the cymbalta given for pain just screwed with me the past five, six months. I wasn’t real happy when they gave me the trazidone to counter act the cymbalta (huh?) but…. I’ve been weening myself off three meds that are to be “helping”. I think all they did was dope me up to where I had no energy ! I believe I will be finding another doctor before this one kills me! lol

  98. Dave, all I know is since cutting the dosage on cymbalta then going to taking it every other day, I feel like I am coming out of a giant fog ! I can’t say it did much for the pain but the pain . varies so much….hard to tell. All I know is that this doc threw neuronton (sp) in a couple of months ago, I think, and at that time I thought she was a little out of it. I told her I had taken it before and it messed with my head instead of the pain…3200 mg a day ! The hardest thing is I can’t really get a second opinion. Most of the doctors in this area belong to one big group. Oh well. It is a “forward ho”. To the big city I go for different doctor. Ugh.

    Enjoy your coffee.

  99. Good to hear it doesn’t seem to bother your mom. Neurontin is way to expensive and can mess with you bad ! lol

    Well, I am going to say this but don’t think it does much good. lol Don’t wear yourself out today !

  100. Good morning. It is 15.03 here I am working so to speak. Well take care of her anyway 🙂 You only have one mother. I think.

  101. Lots of good banter, here. Wrinkly penises! Or should that be ‘penii’? I expect this’ll sit in spam for a while…

    You all know the old joke about the elderly twin sisters? One fine summer day, the ladies were rocking on the front porch, admiring the warm sunshine, and Babs says to Toots, “We keep hearing about these streakers, running around naked as jaybirds! Don’t it sound like fun?”
    Toots says, “Well, yes, it does. Do we dare to give it a try?”
    Babs says, “Why not? It’s warm enough today, it could be very refreshing to run around the block in the altogether!”

    So, the two old girls doff their duds and trot around the block, reveling in the sunshine and the fresh air. They pass by Bill and Tom, chatting on Tom’s porch.

    “Would you look at that!” exclaims Bill
    “It’s those two old maids from down the street!” says Tom.
    “Yup, it’s the Jones sisters, alright,” says Bill, “But what are they wearing?”
    “I don’t know,” says Tom, “But they must have forgot to iron it!!”

  102. I am so glad this is considered on topic 🙂
    One enough of what I wonder. One wrinkly penis or one naked old sister…
    I know, spamfilter. I know.

  103. Word like penis; in a forum on health I think they are bound to pop up?
    That is what they are there for anyway, aren’t they? To pop up??
    When you are lucky I suppose.

  104. Anonymous, Love the joke. I had never heard that one before! I hope that is not what I have to look forward to.

  105. Laughing is the best medicin, Kari 🙂 That and asprin. I heared now that applejuice is good against Alzeheimers. But as it is sour, it is bad for your teeth. So you can choose: rotten teeth but a sound mind, or going gaga with nice blinkers…

  106. Did you know …

    Sneezing is called sternutation.
    When you sneeze air rushes out your nose at a rate of 100 miles per hour!
    There are an estimated 5 million scent receptors in the human nose.
    Our noses produce an estimated one to two pints of mucus a day.

  107. Detwill, thanks for helping me with my spanish vocabulary! I have always stumbled over the Spanish for ‘to sneeze’, desturnadar, but now you’ve given me the English equivalent, it’ll stick better in my mind.

    Here’s a thought: Have you ever seen the occasional article or ‘Dear Doctor’ letter about someone who’s had the hiccups for years on end? I wonder if that is real hiccups or if it is just another form of Tourette’s Syndrome, or maybe something different entirely…
    Sounds horrible, like Chinese water torture without the water, but maybe you get used to it and stop noticing?

  108. Sorry, detwill39, when I get on the phone with my younger brother, we can yap for a while, and then there was Jeopardy. I know about blueberries. As a matter of fact, diabetics can eat anything with the word berry in it.

  109. You don’t have to be a rabbit to enjoy a carrot!

    The carrot contains calcium, potassium, vitamin B and C. Calcium helps prevent the narrowing of the blood vessels resulting from contracting of the muscular wall of the vessels. Potassium promotes regular heartbeat. Vitamin B improves metabolism. Vitamin C protects cells against free radicals and strengthens blood vessel walls.

  110. My brother used to suffer from bouts of the gout which started with pain and swelling in his big toe. Someone told him about bing cherries so now, at the first sign of gout, he gobbles down the cherries and swears they are a God-send. I eat them for swelling in my joints due to old Arthur. I am allergic to ASA which is present in most all anti- inflammatories. Source ….

  111. Detwill, I like the sour cherry juice you can buy, it helps. Another specific for gout is celery, preferably at least 4 big stalks of celery a day. Also, sometimes when my nsaids (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) aren’t working too well, I’ll get some candied ginger, or reed’s ginger beer. Regular canada-dry style ginger ale won’t work, you need a strong dose. I like the sweet-hot peppery taste, but there are also pills for those who don’t.

    Another invaluable berry (also available in pill form) is the cranberry for bladder or kidney troubles. Ladies, that crippling bladder pain that seems to come out of nowhere and become unbearable within a few hours—that can be eased within minutes, and pretty much erased within a couple hours just by drinking cranberry juice and water.

    I know a lot of you know that already, but for anyone that didn’t–it’s a miracle.

  112. Dave~~I don’t know if you will see this message tomorrow but here goes anyway…

    You must be under the constant care of a cardiologist and I don’t mean next month. If you are getting angina pains, you should be using nitroglycerin spray as soon as the pain starts. Don’t use it more than twice. If the pain continues, go to emerg. The angina pain is caused from the strain on your heart that is trying to pump blood thru narrowed off vessels. The nitro will expand the vessels and lighten the load for your heart. It is just a quick fix. The isordil keeps the vessels opened wider for an extended period of time. Don’t put things off, Dave. If you don’t have the loot, borrow, beg or steal and make that Doc’s appt.

  113. I will most definitely need to see a cardiologist, but I will not rob a bank to do so. I’m going to have to figure something out because this is scary. Thanks for your concern, detwill39. So far today, no pain.

  114. Well, I am sitting here trying not to hyper ventalate or whatever it is. My daughter in law picked up her recent mri stuff to take to the new neurologist. She looked and she has brain lesions?? I am telling myself not to panic but I know nothing about this. It has been a year of tests and the mri taken in 2088 did not show these.

  115. I just got off the phone with her. Mri’s taken in 2008…they did three of them last year. Anyone know anything about this subject. Last year they were looking at possible ms but nothing, absolutely nothing was on the mri.
    She has an appointment tomorrow morning with the new neurologist ….she and my son are not saying anything to any family until after the appointment !!! At this moment, I am totally over whelmed…..this is not my usual reaction to things !!

  116. Okay, Dave you are getting an email about your monkeying around with your conditions. I’m having difficulty in my mind on this current situation, so I am directing it to yours and what I have to say should not be posted.

  117. Newbie, Understanding your anxiety, we are all with
    you for the best outcome, that there is nothing to be
    concerned about. Hang in there!

  118. Beatrice, you just saved Dave ! But not for long. We have been a year at trying to find out what is causing her problems…serious fproblems. I am usually strong and positive, at least to others but this has thrown me for a loop. I should be tickled someone is finding something but …..chit, I am a puddle having trouble even thinking. Best I go chew Dave’s butt maybe.

  119. Newbie~~there are many things that can cause brain lesions. Some are benign and not serious while others can be malignant. Alot depends on what your dil’s symptoms were to seek medical attention and have the mri’s done. Lesions can be caused from anything from one’s auto immune system, chicken pox scars or even an abyss tooth or a small stroke that went unnoticed.

    I know you are very concerned as anything to do with the brain is scarey, as well as the unknown and waiting for a diagnosis. MS is very hard to diagnose. I hope everything will turn out good. I am not going to tell you not to worry because, if you are like me, you will anyway. Let us know how things go. Hugs.

  120. Thank you detwill. I have a little better grasp on on myself. It has been a year now, three trips to the emergency room and numerous doctors appointments. I just wigged out for a short period of time. The only other time that has happened to me was many years ago when told one of my daughter’s had cervix cancer. lol

    Thank you again just for paying attention and a sound reply !!!

  121. I must not entertain bad thoughts…must not entertain bad thoughts…I’m leaving the blogg and turning to cleaning….closet cleaning maybe….I can cuss and discuss that with myself ! Then I can get upset at what has collected there and my own limitations. lol

  122. Newbie; I was just opening my emails when a bunch of stuff popped up in my inbox.

    I am truly sorry to hear that your daughter is going through such unknown medical problems.
    I’m sure you are trying to keep it all together, so she doesn’t see the concern on your face. I’m sure she is scared, like you, but until the Dr. actually describes the situation you are pretty much in the dark. I would say not to worry but that is just ridiculous, considering the circumstances. I pray everything will be alright and that you can be thankful it is just nothing in the end. Atleast that is what one can pray for.
    Just a hint. Tell her to take a notepad, and have her husband write everything down on paper. It’s your only chance to get it right in your head. I go so often to my Oncologist’s appt’s, knowing I should write stuff down. Of course I never do, but I’m going to start now. I never remember half of what was said, because I’m waiting for the big blow on my head. And if it’s good news I still want to know why and what and where. You know what I mean. Anyway, I wish you all the might that this is nothing a drug can’t cure.

    Take care. I know I haven’t been around for a while but I will post later.


  123. Weezie, thank you. All prayers are appreciated. My frustration is more because this has been going on for over a year. Now, we may actually be finding something out and Lord knows we should be thankful but instead I am just having a hissy. Just me all by myself except for emails sent to Dave !!
    Thank God this new neurologist did not depend on previous MRI’s.

    I have been to every other doctor’s appointment at the request of my daughter in law and son. From past experiences, we have found three are better than two with notepads…that way there is an odd number to compare notes that differ
    I went back and checked my notes. She had two cat-scans and one MRI within this last year….May to May. The Mri showing the lesions was taken last week. I didn’t count the number of times we have gone to the emergency room and the doctor’s we have seen based on referrals.
    It is going to be something simple……not life threatning……reason tells me that as the MRI was taken last Friday….they would have had her in sooner if it were life threatning, I hope.

  124. detwill, I went to the store with full intentions of getting an ice cream. I saw bing cherries and bought them instead !! Sure would not have bought the cherries if I hadn’t read about their value….I don’t have gout though.

  125. Newbie, I agree. A very dear friend of mine had an MRI last Friday, well the referring Dr. called her at 8 am Monday morning to tell her she had an aneurism on the main artery. She has to get her blood pressure taken at a clinic every day, she can not drive, she has to rest, no sex, no alcohol and ….. ( you might as well be dead), ha what a shock. Anyway they are working on a Neurosurgeon’s appt. as we speak. This is life threatening and serious. I am so scared for her.
    I know a lot about it because my very best friend had an AVM about 6 years ago, and she had to have rehab to learn to talk and walk all over again. No I think your daughter will be the lucky one. I just hope there are meds for this condition. Why did she go to emerg. What were her symptoms or complaints at the time?

    Good luck tomorrow. Are you going too?

  126. Oh, cherries are a lot more expensive than ice cream !
    And, I am not going to the appointment tomorrow. I think the two of them are satisfied that this doctor will answer their questions. Time for me to step back……if they don’t get their answers, she and I will be going back to see him soon !!

  127. Her symptoms a year ago was extreme hot flashes, dizziness, disorientation at times, total loss of appetite, and no energy. I am sitting here trying to remember what else.
    They put her on a low hormone dose and the endocranologist (sp) put her on a full dose of thyroid saying to mess around with trying to adjust with hers would be “wasting” time. hmph

    Oh, within the last three months she has acted like she had restless leg syndrome plus being ready to crawl out of her own skin…..too much thyroid? I don’t know….her blood work came back okay supposedly.

  128. To me, right at first I thought she had had a small stroke …..since then I thought maybe she was having mini mini strokes….

  129. Weezie, with today’s medical advances, have you found it strange that it is necessary to wait as it takes this long to get a neurosurgeon ?

  130. Newbie, any anemia? May I ask what you are saying
    about the hormone and thyroid. It is important
    to work with thyroid medications until the patient is
    comfortable and dosage is properly suited to the individual. Going on and off some medications can give symptoms closely related to your description. My restless syndrome is controlled by occassionally taking a few days of iron supplement. Furgron, easy on stomach
    Some Dr’s will not pay much attention to a slight anemia
    reading or treat it, particularly in women. Not trying
    to diagnose or treat, It is best I just ask in prayer that all will be well.

  131. First blood test there was slight anemia….so we were told. She has been taking regular vitamins plus B12 per instructions of the doctor. Beatrice, there was no attempt at dosages on the thyroid, he just said it was his opinion trying to adjust dosages was not the thing to do……he put her on a strong enough dosage that her thyroid would eventually quit producing? He said something like that.

    Thank you for the prayers.

  132. Newbie~~may I ask how old your dil is? Maybe she is having small TIA’s. I would get the doctor to pay close attention to her platelet counts. Some doctors tend to overlook the platelets. Does she get a print out of her blood reports? The reason I mentioned the TIA’s, they could be the reason lesions are showing on MRI.

  133. She is 47. I forgot about one thing…..she did have a problem in one of her legs and her employer had wondered if it was not a blood clot. This was at the same time we took her to the emergency room for the first time. We told the doctors about it every appt. and any time we were at the emergency room. No print out of the blood test is provided in our area…..has not been should I say. I am wanting to say platelets were checked.

  134. Newbie, I’m sorry I don’t know much about that. They just found two parapharyngeal lesions on my brother.
    That means near the pharynx. The picture with the lesions on it shows his brain area and phraynx area. He hasn’t had a biopsy yet, but one is recommended.

  135. Detwill, I’m glad you have a compassionate husband. That sounds like an exceptional garden! It makes me drool for some land as I do not have a back yard.

  136. Newbie: I’m back.
    Everyone thinks you wait so long here in Canada, but my point about getting quick results when something is wrong is well proved.
    I don’t know of anywhere that you can get an MRI, and have the results in 2 days, with Dr.’s working on a Neurosurgeon’s handiwork for a week away! To me that is fast.
    Don’t forget all the medical systems have been turned around, and slashed budgets have made the impossible, possible. I am one lucky Canadian that happens to support our healthcare even at its’ lowest points.

  137. Los Angeles;

    Sorry to hear that your Mom is not well. I hope she finds comfort in the fact that you are there for her needs.

  138. Hi Dave; Many thanks.
    It seems so many of us are having health issues, or have relatives with a health problem, that this section seems to have taken on taking on a life of its’ own. I’m so glad you decided to do this.

    Just saw my 2 Oncologist’s on Wed. to get an update on my cancer. So far everything is stationery in the spine, thank god. But now they want me to do a chest xray and a transvaginal ultrasound next week. You see how fast we move up here. In the bone scan, or ct. not sure which, they saw some things that they just want to rule out. I was sicker than a dog so the chest x-ray is likely going to be fine. The other, not sure. I have no pain so it may also be a routine exam, even though it showed a cyst like image that had grown. Who knows, I just keep on the path of dutifly going to mega Dr. appts. and tests. You certainly, of all people know what that’s like. Wait and worry.

    We just got back from a week up north with super weather, no mosquitoes, or black flies. Now that was something. Now we have a major heatwave, which we aren’t used to having last for so long. Along with that we have a major union on strike, so garbage is piling up, no swimming pools are open, all public services are down, so you can imagine a big city like Toronto, dealing with this. ON top of that the huge GAY PARADE is still scheduled to go on as planned on Sunday. The garbage is going to be unbearable. This is the biggest parade in North America and 1000’s of visitors come every year for this event. Thank God we live in Pickering, just one major block from the divide of Toronto. That means our sweet garbage was picked up on Wed.

    I hope you are feeling better. I am trying to catch up but it will take me a few hours to read everything. I never went away, just busy I guess. I need to sharpen my humour up a little. Guess I need a late nite with the girls.

    Take good care of yourself Dave cause noone could live without you.

  139. Los Angeles, your family will be in my prayers.

    I just heard the results of the doctor’s appointment. TIA’s, detwill, lack of oxygen to the brain.

  140. As I sit here and start to say something I just find all I can think is thank God, someone is recognizing what is happening. I guess the doctor said it takes a while for it to show up on a mri but she said she thought the doctor was a little put out about this not having been diagnosed.
    They will be calling me later with details. Whew !

  141. Newbie~~do they have her on blood thinners, Plavix or aspirin? She is in my prayers too. Hugs and think positive. Maybe she will finally get diagnosed properly so treatment can begin.

  142. detwill, aspirin thus far. I don’t know if this doctor changed that….all I know at this point is she has a new prescription to fill. Both my son and dil were headed to work. She will be emailing me.

  143. Newbie; Finally some answers. I wonder how stressful her job is? Atleast the new medicine will keep things in check. Glad to hear you are getting confirmations of things that had no end.


  144. Hi Detwill;’

    Long time no talk to. How are you feeling these days. Seems you are always lending a helping hand. You sure do look good from here.

    I’m off to catch up on Farah Fawcett. Apparently she has succumbed to battle with cancer. Poor young thing. I always loved her acting and I know Ryan is devestated. A birdy told me that one.

  145. Newbie, wondering if you are doing better today?
    Los Angeles, prayer for your mom and you.
    Everyone else, Best thoughts and prayer for your health also.

  146. Much better. Thank you Beatrice. Since this morning I have found this doctor is doing more tests and blood work and also sending her to K U Med Center to “experts” in neuro-muscular ….something like that. Another thing, I think one that is giving my son, dil and me comfort, if and when any of the symptoms appear she is to go to the emergency room and he will be contacted. He wants her checked into the hospital instead of them sending her home !!!!

    I just about wigged out yesterday over brain lesions. You know if it were my brain, okay but not one of my kids or their spouse ! My son loves this woman from the tip of her toes to every last hair on her head. They have their 25th wedding anniversary coming in December.

  147. Newbie~~Thank God that your dil is being taken care of by an ‘expert’..he sounds like someone who will make sure she get the proper care and not a run around.

  148. Thank God is exactly right. It sounds as if this Doctor is going to “dig” until he knows for sure what and why !!!

  149. Newbie~~I guess it is no secret that I am very interested in medicine, especially what me and my loved ones have gone thru.

    May I ask you if your dil has had any trouble with her sight, or numbness in the tips of her fingers of bottoms of her feet? The numbness in the fingers and feet would be permanent, not tingling that comes and goes.

  150. Lol. Your comment on that post…Dave’s half family or whatever….I enjoy your personal writings. You are honest, ready to step up to the plate on how you feel and a refreshing person.

  151. Wow, so this is where everyone’s been hanging out!! I’ve missed oodles, I’ll be a while catching up, but first things first–

  152. I guess what I really care to say is not to be so hard on yourself. Sometimes when I read your comments I think you do not realize your own value.

  153. I will leave you to catch up on the writings here, but pop over to this post off and on. As you will read, we kind of “lay down our burdens”. lol

  154. Thank you, you’re very kind.

    I dated a young, handsome, well-endowed guy for a while, and I told him I couldn’t believe someone like him would want to be with me. He said something you don’t hear too often around here. “Because I’m good-looking? So what? What good is beauty? You can’t pay the rent with it! I was just born with this face, this body, that’s all.”

    I think about that sometimes.
    And sometimes I say something kind of like that to people who are impressed by intelligence, education, diplomas. I’m pretty smart, and look how much good it’s done me! It doesn’t keep me from getting fat, getting depressed, falling in love with the wrong guy, living poor for all the above reasons…
    It does, however, make it easier to bounce back, and to avoid falling in every pit along the way.

  155. I’m supposed to be cleaning house tonight, so I’m going to give it another try, but when you’re inclined, pop over to open forum, and I’ll leave you a couple good jokes. Laughter is good medicine, but I think risque stuff is supposed to go on open forum.

  156. Kari,
    The man was sooooooo right. Actually you have no idea how good looks can hinder a person. Somehow, I think what you see of yourself is not what others see !!!!

  157. Weezie, and Newbie, I’ve finally read everything I’ve missed, and I missed a lot! Weezie, I am sending you tranquil thoughts to hold onto when you next go into battle. I am lucky to never have had such a thing hanging over my head, but I did have a close friend who had cancer. (He’s still alive, we’re just not so close, now) The worst of it for him was that any little thing, a headache, a bit of tummy flu, malaise, anything was interpreted as a symptom of the cancer, and made him think his condition was worsening. I used to routinely tell him, “Remember, there’s no rule that says you can’t have cancer and the flu, you can have both!” I don’t know if that’s any help to you, but it seems to me they ought to change the name of that disease, because it has become so scary.

    Newbie, well, I guess I will send you some tranquil thoughts as well, because pretty much the same thing goes for anything involving the brain. Just too scary!

    But, if she is still walking around and going to work, hopefully it is not as serious as it sounds. The symptoms don’t sound too specific. Hot flashes, dizziness, disorientation, no appetite, exhaustion. Could be hormones, food poisoning, meningitis. Meningitis has been more common in recent years, and could produce lesions on the brain. It is not normally fatal.

    In fact these are close to the same symptoms I was complaining of two years ago, while I was taking the anti-depressant Effexor. I actually thought the drug was responsible for the symptoms, but I have had them since I’ve been off of it once or twice. So maybe it’s a virus. My symptoms were hot flashes, cold chills, dizziness, nausea, and exhaustion. Not sure what sort of disorientation she is having? Do you mean, a physical lack of coordination, trouble walking, etc, or a mental confusion as to place, time, etc?

    It is remarkable that they have been married 25 years, so rare these days. They have been very blessed to have found each other.

  158. This new neurologist said TIA’s. She has been off work here and there…one time for six weeks. Disorientation is mild sometimes and others it is horrible. I arrived at their house one late afternoon, her day off, and she was trying to get her shoes on and go to work and was making no sense at all. Slurring her words and she was just out of it. To the emergency room we went and it was the same thing…..five hours of this, that and the other and they send her back home with advice to go xxxxx. I am going to have to sit with the notes from the doctor’s offices and emergency room results and form a synopsis of symptons and treatment thus far.
    detwill, she does not have numbness in the fingers or feet. I talked to my daughter in Texas and she asked if they had run a blood-gas test. I don’t believe that has been done.

    Will get back later once I get my information straight. Right now I need to decorate her birthday cake for tomorrow !! My son has to work so I am doing a surprise cake and taking her to the casino at her husband’s expense.!!! I am a lucky dog.

  159. Newbie~~thanks for the info. I hope your sil has a wonderful birthday and you both win big at the Casino.

    The reason I asked about the numbness, was to rule out MS. I am sure her new doctor will put her on a blood thinner stronger than aspirin. Plavix is the one they generally use now. Where she has had TIA’s, they will definitely pay attention to her platelet counts. TIA’s can be caused from small clots, narrowing off or collasping of small vessels in the brain. Sometimes small pieces of plaque break off from the inner walls of the arteries and can cause the TIA’s.

    My daughter who has the rare blood condition suffered a slight TIA and that is how we found out, after a year of tests, that she had the E.T.

  160. That does sound scary. The only bell it rings with me is petit mal epilepsy, but that’s a known entity and would have been quickly diagnosed, I think.
    I wish her well.

  161. TO KARI:

    Thank you so much for your encouraging words. I really don’t know much about how one should be with cancer, except I live every day with humour and try my very best not to be afraid, but to conquer such thoughts. One thing about cancer, or I guess there are thousands of thoughts, but you sure learn to be patient, waiting for tests, and then the results. Mega Dr. appts, tests, and of course treatments. So there you go. It’s all in a days work. Appreciating special occasions, gardening, swimming, sitting outside on a lovely day, just seems more important than before. I am lucky for that.

    Newbie; I am certainly happy to hear the NEW DR. is taking charge of Sil. It must be so frustrating to think that the side effects are real but the Dr.’s just can’t pinpoint it. I think now you have a real fighting chance to get to the bottom of the issue.
    Hey hope you win lots at the casino. ding ding ding.

    Detwill; You are so caring a person. It’s great you came back after leaving for while. I would have been quite sad if you had stayed away. I must try to catch up on all the comments in the other sections. I just have been too darn busy.
    Take care friends.

  162. Weezie~~my daughter’s rare blood condition, Essential Thomocytosis or Thromcytopenia is a form of ‘low grade’ cancer. She has been taking the chemo drug, hydroxyurea, in pill form for the past 10 yrs. In her case, her bone marrow is making too many platelets and the drug helps to suppress the overactivity of the marrow. It is a progressive condition and , God willing, she will have more years without any complications. Her hematologist told her that she should have 10 good yrs and that was a decade ago. Hydroxyurea has been known to cause Leukemia in a small percentage of patients. It is a watch, wait and pray. Bobbie looks the picture of health and holds down a high pressure job. You would never know, to see her, that the demon C is going on inside her.

    Thanks for your nice remarks about me. I think you are one heck of a great lady too.

  163. Well, ladies, going to the casino on a Saturday was not my best idea. We ended up casino hopping …..I think both of us would have preferred to have gone bar hopping ! lol We didn’t do bad…I think our gambling stake from my son grew $100 ….of course I think it is great anytime you come out with the money you started with !!
    Her birthday cake turned out to be hilarious. It has been a long time since I decorated a cake !!
    All and all it was a good time… rule though, no medical talk….God love her.

  164. Wow, Detwill, that ‘lowgrade cancer’ sounds pretty overwhelming to me. Hard to not get depressed, with such a long-term challenge.

    She is very blessed to be able to keep on keeping on, and be the picture of health to boot.

  165. Kari~~”low grade’ cancer is when it is isolated to one place in the body. Any cells that go wild and multiply are considered cancer. In my daughter’s case the platelets multiply too fast and they are also shaped like tear drops and can clump together and form clots. They had to do a bone marrow biopsy on her to finally reach a diagnosis of ET. She gets depressed when her blood counts come back and her platelets are up. She tries to keep so busy, so she doesn’t have time to dwell on her condition.

  166. Detwill, that sounds a little like sickle-cell anemia, then. There are so many strange things that can g0 wrong with the human body, and even more with the human mind… We must all be thankful for what we’ve got, and what we don’t got.

    Funny thought, I wonder if any of us would really trade our problems for someone else’s, given the chance? Or would we all opt to stick with the devil we know? I guess I would, I’ve been living with it so long, now, I might feel naked without it.

    Dr Olive Sacks wrote some on that subject, in connection with his tourettes patients, and some others. Sometimes the disease and the person form a sort of symbiosis, and it may be harder for the patient to endure the cure than the disease.

    There was a case, don’t remember if it was Dr. Sacks’ case, of an old gentleman who had been virtually catatonic for years. It was found that he had a very, very low thyroid and thyroid was prescribed. He came back to life, not unlike the ‘Awakenings’ patients, and his family rejoiced to have him back amongst the living. But they only had him a few short months, and then he succumbed to a fast-growing cancer. Doctors said it had been in his body for some time, but the slowing of his metabolic rate due to very low thyroid had caused it to lay dormant…

    You could say that was a dirty trick life played on him, or you could say, at least his family got to see him alive and kicking again, and say good-bye to him, before he went.

  167. Kari~~sickle cell anemia is generally found in people of African American descent and those who may live in tropics or subtropics and have been exposed to malaria. It also can be carried in the genes.

    In my above comments, I misspelled Essential Thrombocytosis.

  168. Dave~~that is low platelets. Bobbie’s present neurologists call her condition thrombocytopenia but it is thombocytosis. Some to them need to go back to school.

  169. Oh yes, I know all about thrombocytopenia and low platelets. Yesterday, I felt terrible from it. I’m sure that it was from that because I was weak and achy all day and it felt like someone was taking a knife and scraping my bones. The funny thing is, I started to feel a little better last night and I do feel better today.

  170. Dave~~this why they need to do a bone marrow biopsy to see what is going on. You generally have pain in the long bones…eg thigh bone and down calves of legs.

    I need to go back to school, I did not spell the thrombocythemia correctly….

    Essential thrombocytosis (ET, also known as essential thrombocythemia) is a rare chronic blood disorder characterized by the overproduction of platelets by megakaryocytes in the bone marrow in the absence of an alternative cause. In some cases this disorder may be progressive, and rarely may evolve into acute myeloid leukemia or myelofibrosis. It is one of four myeloproliferative disorders.

  171. I know I need that done, as well as liver and spleen biopsies, but these are not cheap, none of them. I guess right now it’s got to be first things first and my heart is the most threatening thing. I haven’t had any real pain in my heart the last couple of days, mild, but not real bad, and I’ve noticed a strange beat, like it’s off once in a while. Sometimes it feels like a hollow thumping, kind of like a thud. I know my doctor thinks it could be an electrical problem on top of other issues. She was supposed to send me a referral to see a cardiologist, but she sent one for a pulminologist instead. Tuesday, I go back again, so I will get the right referral.

  172. Dave~~I feel like a medical encyclopedia, except I cannot spell that well…

    When Bobbie was first diagnosed, I joined a support group for Myeloproliferative Disorders because the disease is so rare. Her Hematologist only had one other case with ET here in NS.

    If Bobbie’s disease progresses, the bone marrow stops making platelets, just from being overworked. It progresses to Myelofibrosis and that is when a Bone Marrow Transplant may have to take place. She can get her own stem cells harvested and they can be kept frozen for up to around 2 yrs. I guess you already know that the transplants are very serious. ( your brother-in-law) The doctors have to administer chemo and kill all the cells in the marrow. I hope and pray that Bobbie will be one of the lucky ones and there is no progression.

  173. Dave~~I cant understand why it is taking so long for you to get answers. When you were in the hospital back in December, I am surprised they didn’t do more tests. If you have lung problems, you heart is being overworked.

    BTW~~when Bobbie was first diagnosed, her spleen was bulky. Everytime she goes to her Hem in Toronto, they measure her spleen. Her liver is fine.

  174. Yup, unfortunately, I do know more than most about bone marrow and stem cell transplants. Fortunately, my brother-in-law’s transplant was successful, but there will always be an issue with the leukemia recurring since something altered his #8 chromosome to begin with. I’ve always thought it had to do with some of the hazardous materials he handled when he was a head honcho at Lockheed-Martin because he was a hands on director and some of the stuff was nothing I’d want to go near, like stealth chemicals. In Bobbie’s case, the fact that she can freeze her own existing marrow for future use is a positive thing because it virtually eliminates not only rejection, but the fear of it. I was out in Houston (MD Anderson Cancer Center) a few days after Bud got the transplant and I knew how they had to kill his DNA first. For that one week in time, he was suspended. He was truly a living dead man because, if I’m not mistaken, after they killed his DNA, he was subjected to more chemo before the transplant. Let me tell you, he did not look anything like he does in the picture I just put up. I sure hope Bobbie doesn’t have to go through that, but if she does, that she has the strong spirit, like Bud, to live.

  175. When I was in the hospital, I was only treated for the pneumonia because that’s what put me in there to begin with. So what if they found other problems? Without health insurance, it’s not their job to fix anything more. I entered through the emergency room and they only treated the emergency. If I had insurance, they could have kept me in and I would have been a million dollar patient, but they knew I couldn’t pay.

  176. Detwill; I echo your comments on Canadian Health system. However a lot of us do have added healthcare insurance, which really makes it fully loaded.

    Dave about Michael. The fact the caller never once mentioned who was dying or dead on the bed, might have had something to do with the delay, or maybe something more sinister, like he was dead for say 1/2 hour before they made the call! The autopsy will reveal, but 6 -8 weeks from now. The rumours are flying and the Jackson’s aren’t very happy. I watched the BET awards last night. All in triute to Micael and guess who was there? BIG JOE. What a tough son of a bi^ch he is. Lied that the family was doing just fine, and wanted to announce his new business venture. Very creepy indeed. Near the end of the show Janet came on the stage to thank everyone but remineded them they lost an icon, but the family lost one of its’ loved members, and then she started to cry. She says everyone is so sad. I’m glad she told the truth and put Joe in his place. God help it if those kids end up with Gram a Gramps.

    Dave, I really hope you make headway on Tues. You know a little bit of anger might put some gunpowder under their rumps. I mean this is just too long for you to go without definitive answers and accurate tests.
    Good Luck on Tuesday.

  177. Hi, Weezie – I think the name of the person is not relevant. If I called 911, I would hope they’d send help right away, regardless of who or what I am. I think it was just Michael’s time to die. I mean, his cardiologist was there and trying to revive him. What better than a heart doctor? I didn’t watch the show last night. I would have liked to, but I would have fallen asleep with the TV on.

    I don’t know what headway I’ll make tomorrow, but I hope to get a referral to see the cardiologist. That would be a good move. Thanks.

  178. I dunno, the American people seem to feel they have a right to perfect health, to the point where we are rapidly heading toward socialized medicine, similar to Britain’s.

    Unfortunately, even when you have the best doctor, and he is using the best, most modern drugs and treatments, there’s no guarantee. Any one of a thousand things can go wrong, you can be mis-diagnosed, you can have an allergy, or other unusual reaction to the drugs, your particular strain of the virus may have mutated and no longer respond to the drugs, you may just be the one in a hundred who is differently made—and stop and think about that one for a minute!

    Our automobiles are made in factories, with identical parts, etc., and yet different cars may run differently or have different flaws. But your mechanic has a pretty good chance of figuring it out.

    Now suppose each car was custom made, with all hand-tooled parts and some unique pieces thrown in, some of them completely unknown to the mechanic–what kind of a chance would he have, then? The carburetor might not be where he expected it, or might be a different shape, or have extra parts… Each car might wear out differently, and your mechanic would have to be an artist to fix it up for you.

    In my opinion that is where we have gone wrong, we have taken the artistry out of medicine. We used to pick a doctor we trusted, we used to talk about “skilled surgeons” and “gifted healers”. Now we want medicine to be a science, with little computerized tests for everything, and little pills for every negative test result.

    Of course, I want to see Dave, and everyone, enjoying the best possible heath, but I just don’t feel too sure that the right doctor, or the right test, or the right drug, is what we need.

    I am against socialized medicine, because I am for individualized medicine. Let each one do the best they can, and follow the path they believe in, and make their choices accordingly.

  179. Kari you make some very articulate points about medicine in today’s world. Of course everyone would want the best care possible, with the best of intentions with a kind and understanding Dr. That is not possible anymore to achieve such high goals. It is however possible to have a modern country, taking care of its’ people and that is where U.S. has taken a back seat, and taken on the world’s problems, having spent far too much on the outside, leaving it’s children vacated on the inside. I am not a Socialist not even close. I do believe that we are all taxed more than we can sometimes handle, and yes there are crooks who avoid billions of payments to the Govt. , we all know that too. Tell me, is it really up to U.S.A. to relieve all the troubles of the world, and leave its citizens broken, and ill? I sure hope not. That to me is more like Socialism, keeping the poor poorer and the rich richer.
    I have never been taught that Socialism means status quo for everyone. Maybe I should go back to school and take Political Science.
    In any case, I just think it’s a shame that modern day societies could let their people, wander in the wilderness, without healing it’s poorest and sickest communities.

    Now maybe that’s why we have so many immigrants coming to Canada. The doors are bursting and our healtcare needs revamping. It’s time for every indiviual to fork out of their pockets, a monthly fee to cover it’s shortfall. If we have a phone, we pay a bill, if we have water, heat or hydro, we pay a monthly bill, so why not Healtcare? It used to be that way, and I rather thought it made sense. Now that the economy has turned to a downward spiral, not all corporations, or health costs can be covered.

    This is a constant learning curve but also it changes over time. Modern technologies, equipment, training, etc. go up. We always have to keep up with the times.

    That’s just my opinion on healtcare anyway.

  180. Weezie, you make good sense. Let me clarify one point, as far as I know “socialized medicine” is not exactly the same as socialism. But I don’t really know what I’m talking about there, I just know that a lot of people want the government to provide healthcare. I think a limited number of free clinics would be a better way than the structures we have now, that depend on insurance companies dictating what treatments we may receive and from which doctors.

  181. Anyway you serve up health care. What concerns me is
    no one talks about the doctors, if there will be quality in
    them or will they just not care. What plan would give us
    the better physicians, etc. There is a big pool out there
    and we all would hope to the the best doctor we could not
    just the best health plan we could. Enlighten me.

  182. Beatrice~~alot of our doctors here in Canada leave and go to the US. They get more pay and have to work less hours. We have wonderful health care here and no one is denied treatment, regardless of their income. We have a shortage of doctors and have to wait longer to see a specalist. Rather than wait months to see a specialist, folks here opt to cross the border for treatment. So you see the dilemma. Some folks go to the doctor for a hangnail and minor ailments that can be remedied at home. They take advantage of our health care. It’s just too bad that we couldn’t all meet in the middle and share.

  183. You’ve got that one right, Detwill. When I was working for a doctor’s answering service, I once wrote down all the calls I took on Christmas day, from people who needed to talk to their doctor that day, and there were things like a headache and a sore thumb. It was ridiculous, and that kind of thing is only encouraged by the insurance companies. Like, you pay for the insurance, might as well get your money’s worth!
    I’m pleased to hear you Canadians have good health care, does it not involve the sort of rigmarole we’ve got? Right now, most everyone’s got insurance or medicare and they will only pay for the cheapest doctors, meds, etc. So, you can’t go to the doctor of your choice, or opt for a more pricey treatment that might be better for your complaint.
    I mean, ok, individual results may vary, right? Just depends which insurance company you’re with, and where you live and all that. But, I’d just prefer to choose my doctor myself, and pay more if necessary.

  184. Kari~~I can have the best specialist in our province. You do not need to have private insurance to get the very best here. The insurance companies do not dictate to us, as to which doctor we can see. A person, without private insurance, can get the same preferential treatment as those who carry it. I guess that is why our doctors are overworked.

  185. I am happy you have good health care in Canada.. For the life of me I can not understand why the “great USA” cannot seem to get it together. Also what I do not understand here is how our hospitals compete with each other. where I am located there are two in close proximity and they really butt heads. Hospitals in my area run like a big business. Doctors used to have more to say about patients hospital care and length of stay.
    For the elderly, medicare limits stay depending on the
    patients illness, and that is, most often a patient is sent
    home before safe to do so. How are your hospitals in

  186. I have to go out and pick up some medications, like nitroglycerin, but I had another EKG at the office and my heart has gotten a little worse. I need to see a cardiologist right way. Yeah, right. She told me I am playing Russian roulette. She said the EKG shows, what looks to her like a blockage and a lack of oxygen getting to parts of the heart. Also, I got Dear Johned by SSD today, so it’s not one of my best days. Fortunately, I always try to maintain a positive attitude. I will be back later. I’m also going to stop by a friends house for a couple of hours.

  187. Laura, Referring to your comment of 6-25-09 @ 12:25 pm re: Dave just being stubborn.
    Perhaps he will listen to you and you can personally encourage him to spend his money and get his health situation bettered. Sounds like his heart situation is a serious concern.

  188. I’m so very sorry to hear that, Dave.
    Be sure to make an appointment right away, and tell them on the phone that your doctor said you need one right now. In the meantime, find out what activities you should avoid for now.
    I’ll say a prayer for you, and I’ll be rooting for you.

  189. Dave~~all I can say is dammit regarding SSD. Did they give you a reason for the rejection? I understood someone telling you that they always turn you down on the first attempt. I am surprised that the doc did not put you on Isordil. You definitely can’t put off seeing the cardiologist. The vessels in the heart may be narrowed off and they can use the balloon when they do a dye test on your heart. It is generally done at the same time the dye test takes place. I guess the doc told you to use the nitro at the first sign of pain.

    Beatrice~~people can’t spend money they don’t have to begin with. I wish Dave had our Canadian health care.

  190. Detwill39, Sorry, I do not know if Dave has money or not!!!! Only meant that if Laura is right and he is just
    being stubborn, it is not a good thing. I wish he could
    come into Canada and get some care. What is the legality of coming in as a resident (period of time) and receiving care as a US Citizen. Is this possible?

  191. Well, I think we should talk Dave into marrying detwill and moving to Canada until these health issues are worked out. Sorry Laura, you live in the wrong country to do him any good.
    I think if Dave and det have their own computers and rooms to go to, it might last long enough for him to be diagnosed !! lol

  192. Newbie~~I am afraid becoming a legal immigrant is not as simple as that. My daughter married a man who has dual citizenship for the UK and US. He had to have a work permit to stay here. Two weeks ago, she had to sponsor him for 3 yrs so he could stay in this country, after that time he can stay and work here without all the permits. It is a complicated affair to become a citizen.

    Newbie, I am alot older than you so maybe I could adopt Dave. Do you think that would work?


  193. If it helps Dave get better I am all for him marrying detwill. She is a good lady and will take great care of him. Dave make your appointment, and take your new information to the SS office. I am thinking of you, now it is back to work I am trying to get as much done as possible so I can take off Thursday and Friday!

  194. Hey you guys and gals. I think the world of Dave but I am not going to marry anyone. One look at me and the poor man would die from fright.

    I agree with you Laura, after seeing the cardiologist, take the new info back to the SSD office. My hubby was in bad shape and the surgeon who did a bypass on Jim’s leg would not sign the disabitlity forms. His cardiologist signed it right away. He got long term disability from his private insurance plus Canada Pension Disability.

  195. As I recall, in the State of Kansas you a certain time in which to appeal the decision. Dave, check and see if you have any time limit.

  196. What your doctor said makes your condition sound very nearly emergent, Dave. Is there a hospital near you that will take walk-in emergency patients regardless of ability to pay? I understand that federally funded hospitals are required to do that, though private ones do not have to.

    It would just complicate your financial situation a bit more, but at least you could get some medical help immediately.

    We all love you, Dave, and hope you will take the very best care of yourself that you can.

  197. Thanks, Kari, very much. I actually have 2 very good hospitals at my disposal. One is around the corner and the other one is… around the other corner, so I can get to an emergency room if necessary. I wrote a little response to detwill39 about this new pill on the “Has the Casey Anthony case inspired the worst in us?” post.

  198. I have to tell you a funny story about my TERRIBLE HEADACHE….

    My hubby had to wear nitro patches 24/7. I would squeeze out about 1/4 inch of the nitro paste onto a patch. He generally put the patch on his stomach… The doc regulated the doses by starting out with an amount that would cause Jim to get a slight headache. Then the dose would be decreased a bit from that amount so the dose would not cause him to have a headache .

    I woke up in the middle of the night with a throbbing headache. I am not kidding, I thought my head was going to explode. I woke hubby and guess what? I was wearing the damn nitro patch on the cheek of my butt.

    I am so embarrased but just had to tell you…

    Of course, hubby had to blab that to all the neighbors and our friends…

  199. Newbie – I have 60 days to appeal. I will call an attorney tomorrow to find out what I need to do. Attorneys don’t charge a fee until you win, but I don’t know what percentage they take.

  200. ROTFLMBO! Too funny, Detwill39! Sorry you had the headache, though….

    Dave, you have prayers being said for you!
    And, I’m gonna put you in the prayer thread at TCD! Don’t tell me not to!
    Never underestimate the power of prayer!

  201. Coreysmom~~so very true about the power of prayer! He has had to carry me and my family a good many times. I also keep HIM on speed dial.

  202. Dave, if I am thinking correctly, your various conditions cause short term memory loss. Whether your bouts with it are small or large, make sure and mention it !!!
    It was one of the keys to my receiving disability.
    When I filed, RSD was not a condition that “warranted” disability but short term memory loss sure does.

  203. detwill, the dil ended up at the emergency room Saturday night. Cat scan, blood work…..bla bla bla. They did not admit her as she was told they would but this time they did give a diagnosis if that is what a person would call it. Basically they actually said something this time, i.e., lack of oxygen, slurring and decrease in consciennous , of foo, what is the word…..anyway, she has an appointment at the heart center tomorrow morning. They will be running stress tests or whatever on the heart…..we are trying to find out if “blood gas” tests have been run.
    She was fine Saturday when we went to the casinos. Then wham, around 10:00 my son took her to the emergency room!!

  204. Detwill, thanks for sharing your misadventure with the nitro! I can see you in a nightdress tied at the bottom, just like little Sweetpea on Popeye!

    Newbie, if the medical people were able to see her in the middle of one of her ‘spells’ that is progress. One so often goes to the doctor and has to say, well, I’m fine now, Doc, but yesterday at this time I thought I was gonna die! And the doctor looks at you funny and asks if you have a lot of stress at your workplace…

  205. Dave;

    What a disappointment about disability acceptance, but you are right about getting a Lawyer. All agencies hate to be exposed by legal ramblings. I like the author stating short term memory loss will get you through the system. How is it a heart irregularity doesn’t?
    If you need a place to stay and want immediate attention by a Doctor, you can come up to our place. No Dr. or hospital will turn you away. It’s in the oath they take. If illegals can get treated, so can guests. And…… if you come to a hospital here, you will see a specialist after diagnosis is done. No waiting!!!!
    Just pack a bag and get here. That’s of course you not making headway down in Orlando.

    Newbie; What in the world is happening with Sil? I thought they had this diagnosed and ready for treatment? You my, you are all really in a medical quagmire. I hope you get answers today….

    Well it’s our Canada Day today, and with the Union striking for collection of garbage, ambulance etc. Toronto is filling up with 2 weeks of uncollected garbage, and only managers and volunteers are on the ready to help with special events, like Canada Day eh? No, all pools, daycare, ambulance, garbage collections are shut down. NO FIREWORKS in the parks! Sales of fireworks have tripled cause families are doing their own this time around. I hate our Mayor and so does the rest of Toronto. He should be fired… ha. Another year and half of this dimwit and his cronies. They follow and vote at his whim, and that’s the majority of council. I hope we won’t make that same mistake again. The fact is, we live outside of Metro in Pickering, so we have our own Mayor and city council. We smell gorgeous and we will have fireworks in the parks.

    Happy July 4th.

  206. Happy Canada Day, Weezie, and to all our beloved contributors from that great country.

    I sure do appreciate your invitation and I might just take you up on it if I get nowhere here. I had a bad feeling about that SS doctor and my doctor told me yesterday that he was not at all nice on the notes he sent back to her office. He neglected to mention thrombocytopenia, tachycardia and angina in his final report to SSD. I plan on contacting an attorney today, but I want to run it by a friend of mine first. He is on disability and he might be able to help a little with his experiences, although he was accepted right away. Thanks for showing concern. I’ll try to get on it, but it may be a long road ahead.

  207. Thanks Detwill and you too Dave.

    I had a thought about this Dr. who didn’t give a proper writeup on your behalf. I used to work for Assessment Centres on behalf of the Insurance Companies. The specialists would come to our clinic and try to weed out pretenders, but at the same time weed out 95% of the auto accident claimants. In other words they were being paid by our company who in turn charged the Insurance Companies for our services. Do you think the Dr.’s doing the assessments and then dictating wanted to stop that kind of extra income. At $1,000 per claimant x 8 claimants per clinic per Doctor you can see my point!
    Is this Dr. connected to the agency in any way? Perhaps they all are, but the serious contenders get the disability, (as in wheelchair bound), and the rest get gurned down in hopes that the person gives up….. I suspect this is the case, so I hope you fight with all your might. The squeeky wheel gets the grease, always.

  208. My doctor told me yesterday that these SSD doctors are out to prevent people from collecting. What happens is SS contacts the health department of the state where you reside. The state has a list of contracted doctors and they try to set up an appointment with a doctor close to where you live. Those doctors are supposed to be unbiased, but this guy was not. He had the bedside manner of Joseph Mengele.

  209. I double the dare. Fight fight fight. You deserve this money and hand up. Your lawyer will definately help you in this manner.

  210. All I have to do is find and call the right lawyer. My father has an appointment with his cardiologist today and the two have a good relationship. He is going to explain my situation as it stands from yesterday and ask if he might be able to help me in any manner. I called the cardiologist on the referral I got from my doctor and the nurse there told me it’s $200 – 300 just to walk through the front door. It’s $1,100 for some nuclear test and $400 for an echo-something, $800 for this and $200 for that, of which I didn’t have a clue and didn’t pay much attention to because I’m not going to be able to get any of it done. The nurse was kind enough to point out that all of these prices reflect a 40% discount for uninsured patients. Whoop-dee-do.

    Today, I feel like crap, due to my blood disorder. I’ve felt bad for the last few days, but today is the worst. It’s not because of my mental stress or anything. I feel like someone is taking a knife and scraping the meat off my bones. Next Wednesday morning, I am having a blood test to determine if I have lupus.

  211. Good grief Dave, I’m so sorry you feel this horrible. It seems you are getting worse by the minute. Perhaps you should go to emergency dept. If not for the documentation, but to get faster results of what is really happening here. If it’s around the corner, and you have good book, why can’t you go, or do they charge for that too? Since your July 4th is coming up, and the facilities will likely be more crowded perhaps you should give it a shot tomorrow?

    All those tests you mentioned are completely covered here. There is no charge in Ontario. Xrays, ultra sounds, ct’s, mri’s, bone density, mammograms, cardiograms all tests are covered. Also treatment. The few times you pay: To visit a chiropractor, partially paid by patient. To get eye exams – $60.00, Physiotherapy if not in a hospital setting, Dermatology treatments and that’s about it. If you have an operation (covered), you are not charged for your room (4 to a room). If you want a semi private or private room, your extra private insurance covers that or if you don’t have any, you would pay out of your pocket.

    So you see, there are no worries about treatment or operations. I love Canada…..

  212. The problem with emergancy rooms is that they are for emergencies only. I would have to have bad heart pains in order to go, and knowing my luck, when I get there, the pain would have subsided and I’d test normal. Yesterday morning, for example, my pulse was 92 at the doctor’s office. It was 102 when I left the house. I will go when I have another attack of very sharp pain.

  213. Weezie~~it looks like we may have to kidnap Dave and bring him north eh?

    Dave~~if you get chest pains and the nitro does not take them away, get your butt to emergency. If the pain goes away when you get to emerg, you don’t have to tell them that. It is one day to get your foot in the door. They would do another EKG and they should have a resident cardiologist on staff at emerg. If the resident finds something anything out of the ordinary, they wont release you. That is the way it works here. A blood test should tell if your heart enzymes are high.

    When you get the angina pain, do you get it up in your left jaw or down your arm?

    It looks like I may have to get my doctor’s bag and take a flight to Orlando.

  214. How can they turn you away? You mean if you get there and they think you aren’t an emergency they just say go to your Doctor? Holy crap, I sure don’t want to be ill in America.

    I really worry about you….. How you gonna get there if you are in that kind of pain?

    Just make sure you have a neighbour or someone on the ready. This must be so stressful. How do you get to sleep with this kind of mental anguish? You really need someone to take care of your health issues. I hope your Dad’s cardio can do the miracle act.

  215. Detwill39 – I’ve had light pain and weakness in my left arm, but never in my jaw and I don’t think when I had heart pain. Generally, the pain is pretty much isolated in my heart. At least that’s exactly where if feels like it’s coming from. I’ve had pains in that region throughout the years, and it was most likely due to gas pockets, but this is definitely coming from my heart and my doctor believes I have a blockage and my heart pumps rapidly to try to compensate for the lack of oxygen. Boy, Canada is pretty this time of year, isn’t it?

  216. It sure is….
    I volunteer at the hospital where my Family Doctor and surgeon reside. Every Tuesday morning I am there for 7 am to greet the day surgery patients before they register and get their bracelet.
    Many many people come for heart catheterization and stents. It is day surgery and it’s like watching a parade to that Dept. This is not so unusual, as we get older and less active. I only hope you get the help you need before any damage occurs. I would take Detwill’s advice and get your sweet and loving heart over to emerg. After all, she knows best, right.

  217. Dave, something just has to happen that is good !!!
    Hopefully, it will start with your dad’s doctor .

    Weezie got it sooo right. It is ridiculous that short term memory loss can get one disability when all of the more serious medical problems cannot.

  218. Weezie~~I don’t know if I am always right but it seems so inhumane for someone to be denied health care.

    My hubby went thru alot of what Dave is going thru and that is why I am familar with alot of it. Jim was type 2 diabetic, had blockages in his legs, neck and heart and congestive heart failure. This all started in his mid forties. Initial symptoms were angina. He had the heart catherization but only stayed in hospital overnight. He had 2 bypass surgeries on his leg, a microscopic surgery on his skull (this was for a partial blocked artery in his neck)… that operation was fairly new and they don’t do it anyone. All the feedback from the micro surgery was relayed back to London, Ont. The reason they quit doing that surgery is because patients were getting strokes post op.

    Jim had a toe amputated, a year later his left leg just below the knee was amputated. They considered doing a heart transplant but Jim’s peripheral vascular disease was too severe to even attempt it.

    Jim did not stick to his diabetic diet and did not take his condition serious until the last year of his life. I believe that he would have had many more years, if he hadn’t of been so stubborn and listened to the doctors. He continued to smoke and liked his drink. He passed away from CHF, just shy of his 57th birthday.

    I am not writing this to scare anyone. It is just a word of advice. Do not delay in going to emerg or seeing your doc. You only go down this road once and you have to know your body and take control of it, even if that means, being peristent.

  219. Detwill; Your story should scare some of us into action. If we can’t learn from others than what is the point? Lessons are for those who consistently think it won’t be them in a situation that is critical. I can see in your writings that you are still mad at your husband for denying you and he more years together.
    I am a recent quitter of smoking, and every day I shake my head wondering why “I” was so stubborn about quitting. I am very angry at myself for not doing it years ago. It isn’t as hard as I thought, but you really really have to be vigilent and dedicated to the cause. What do they say “anything worth having is worth fighting for”, or something like that. I never knew I had the discipline in me, since I love my wine, love to party, love to dance, love life generally and have never denied myself of life’s pleasures. This lesson of mine is life changing, because I now know I can lick anything, since smoking was the worst thing to give up for me. 45 years of killing myself. Sure took me long enough.

    This trouble of Dave’s is getting worse, so I hope his absence means he shuffled off to the Emerg dept. Even if they turn him away, it will be documented for his fight for the disability. I know Dave to be a stick to your guns kind of guy, atleast I think he is. Soooooo Dave, you now have a battle here, with us women nagging you to death? Well let’s hope that it doesn’t come to that, but let it not be at your own stubborness either.

    You men need a good shake. My husband thinks his daily pills can be taken once a month. I literally have to ask him every day if he has taken them, and then I fill up the container when they are gone. God put women on this earth to nag at men, and I fully accept the responsibility of that chore

  220. I know it depends on the hospital, but I thought that if you go to emergency, and wait your turn, they will pretty much do whatever you want. That is to say, if you go in with an ingrown toenail, stating that it is an emergency and you want it taken care of, they will do it provided; A. There are no other, more urgent cases waiting, heart patients, accident victims, etc. B. You can pay, or the hospital is one that will accept indigent patients.

    I only base this idea on past experiences with my indigent ex-husband, and a nearly indigent ex-boyfriend. My Mexican friends routinely go to a clinic, and if they went to emergency and the matter was not emergent, they would likely be referred to that clinic. I have often thought that if I am ever taken ill or in an accident, maybe I could go there, speak Spanish and claim to be an undocumented person…

    Now, going through the emergency room to get treatment is extremely expensive, but I have known poor people that do that, just because no regular doctor will treat them without payment up front. (Due to their bad credit history, medical bills outstanding) My poorer acquaintances have no intention of ever paying off this debt, which is sad for everyone, but in your case, it could save your life. Worth a thought.

  221. My father just got back from his cardiologist’s office, although his doctor was not in today. He saw another one and he thinks that something may be able to be done. I will keep my fingers crossed. He is very close to an ARNP there, but she had the day off, too. Hopefully, I will hear something encouraging this week, but that stent information is very interesting and inviting, Weezie. I didn’t think it would be an in and out, same day, sort of thing.

    Newbie – about that short term memory loss, I had something I wanted to tell you, but then I forgot. Thank you for your concern. I couldn’t forget that.

  222. I don’t know why it is that so many men are stubborn to a fault and by the time they finally realize their mistakes, it’s too late. I’m very sorry about your Jim, detwill39. I quit smoking in October of 2007 and never looked back. Will I ever smoke again? Oh, I might take a puff with my dying breath, but that would be it. I quit drinking, too, but that had more to do with the Metformin than anything else. I always claimed that if I got stranded on a deserted island with one of two vices, smoking or booze, I’d have taken the smoking any day. When I was able to quit smoking, how difficult could it have been for alcohol? It was nothing. I can now go to bars to see friends, although I seldom go out to do that, and drink water or Diet Coke. The second-hand smoke doesn’t entice me at all. I kind of enjoy it, but not really, if you can understand that. I know that I now feel congested the next day. I might go to a bar every 2-3 weeks, but usually I visit friends elsewhere.

    I took control of my body, but it seems like, at every juncture, my body chips away and tries to take control over me.

  223. I did quit smoking on my own, although the diabetes planted a very real seed 3 years ago. I tend to think of myself as very independent and when I decided that I was going to quit, it was a firm decision. I gave myself a period of time and by the time that day came, I said good bye. I still want one occasionally, but not nearly as bad as I thought.

  224. When I was in the hospital at Christmas for pneumonia, subsequent x-rays determined that my liver and spleen were enlarged. I also have gall stones in there somewhere, just waiting to one day agonize me. Later, I asked my doctor why the hospital didn’t treat me. She said “because you went to the emergency room with pneumonia. You have no insurance. That was all they were obligated to treat.” End of story.

  225. Isn’t that funny Dave. I also quit in October but in 2008. You have one year on me. I know what you mean about the smell. I do have the urge but quite seldomly. I just walk away from the smoker and take a deep breath and say ‘god I’m glad I don’t do that anymore”. I still miss it but not enough to ever start it again, thank the lord.
    Well here I go to watch JVM. Need to know where MJ is going on Friday? Wonderland or a huge church in LA…..hmm, this is one huge story and something of a long venture.

  226. A man with chest pains is known to be the most stubborn person on God’s earth. Doctor’s will back up that statement.

    But but but….the next most stubborn person is a woman in labor. Any husband would attest to that. The woman remains so calm, cool and collected between contractions while hubby is chitting his pants.

  227. Hmm. So the hospital that you went to with pneumonia advised you of other potential problems revealed in the x-rays, enlarged liver and spleen, and possible gallstones, but they did not volunteer any treatment for those conditions. And you were told that was because you had no insurance, and because you had presented complaining only of the pneumonia.

    That actually sounds pretty reasonable to me. Those other problems may be serious, but apparently were not emergent, nor were you demanding treatment for them. If you’d had insurance, sure, they might have volunteered treatment, for a fat fee. Or perhaps you could have requested it, and volunteered to pay. I don’t really know.

    I expect your idea is the best one in the short run, until you can come up with a good alternative; you will just go in to emergency if/when you are having angina again. Makes sense.

    Meanwhile, the hospital might be a good place to ask for a referral to a cardiologist who does, um, pro bono work? Or something like that.

    I mean, there must be a few poor sick people in Florida, and they must go somewhere for help, right?

  228. Dave, If the nuclear test is for your heart, which sounds
    like it is. This test is being used a lot, around here.
    We each have had them a couple of times. They take a few hours, but determines a lot regarding any restrictions in the hearts blood vessels, If any noteable restriction, you will probably go on to an angiogram.. The last time I had a nuclear test, it showed a restriction in an area. BUT after going on to have an angiogram, that “restriction” was actually nothing more than the way the blood vessel was lying twisted in a way that it appeared blocked but actually was not. The eco-gram apparently records the activity of the “muscle” of the heart.
    Since your heart is primarily your immediate and greatest concern, unless they have instructed you otherwise.. you may want to consider.
    (I know you are a research specialist, and can check out
    these procedures for yourself). In the past
    there were other methods for determining blockages,
    probably still in use, which may not be so expensive
    as the nuclear. Geez, Dave, you are in one hell of a mess, so step back and wipe everything off your slate
    to care for your well being, first.

  229. Sorry I am so late answering your comment, Kari. Things pass me by in my old age, you know. Actually, my hospital doctor did tell me about the gall stones and he said I would have have my gall bladder removed within the next couple of years. That was all I was told about that. The rest of it came from my own doctor when I had a follow-up appointment soon after my release. Actually, I take that back because she hadn’t received the paperwork by then, so it was, maybe, a month later. When I asked her why the hospital didn’t treat me for, at least, the enlarged liver and spleen, she told me because their only responsibility was to treat the pneumonia.

    No doctor, specialists in particular, do pro bono work. Their practice is a business. As compassionate as they are, think of it this way. If I was down and out and I asked the manager of the nearby McDonald’s for a free burger, would he give it to me? Is he morally obligated to? Sure, he can afford one lousy sandwich, but suppose he got 50 people a day doing the same thing?

  230. Thank you, Beatrice. Sorry you got stuck in spam for no reason. Yes, the nuclear test, which I have not researched yet, is for my heart. My father is trying to arrange something through his cardiologist, and that may or may not pan out, but at least I have an idea of what I will have to go through after calling the one my doctor referred. The EKG at my doctor’s office showed something wrong that wasn’t there the last time, so I know seeing a cardiologist is of the utmost importance. Meanwhile, I still have to deal with Social Security and their denial of my claim. Hey, I’m keeping a very optimistic outlook and that helps.

  231. Please don’t feel hurried, Dave, that is one of the great beauties of this method of communication–there is no urgency. If I write you a question and you want to think it over for a week before you answer, it’ll still be there, unless you deleted it.

    Now, forgive me for being stubborn and annoying, but I have not given up yet. You are telling me there is simply no recourse at all for an impoverished person with heart problems. No free clinics in your area, no doctors who ever do charity work, nada. I’m having trouble believing this. It may be true, I’ve never had a reason to inquire before now.

    But now I really feel compelled to inquire here in the Indianapolis area and find out if poor Hoosiers have any recourse, as I believe they do, some how, some way. If I find a way, I shall immediately report back to you, so that you may use it as guidance to finding a way in Florida.

    Meanwhile, I shall join the rest of the Marinaders in hoping that your dad’s doctor can get you taken care of somehow.

  232. This is a post I got from a friend on Blog for A Cure.


    Just so you since there’s such debate going on in the US about healthcare.

    I am a canadian.
    Since I Got cancer 4 years ago
    I have had about 60 consults.
    6 weeks of rad treatments
    about 8 chemo treatments
    4 surgerys 1 of which was about 7 hours long involved 5 diffrent surgens micro, plastic etc…
    medictions galore I mean at times I was pressed for countertop space in the bathroom!
    8 hours 5 days a week I have instant access to help on the phone, by email hell I could just drop in to clinic if I had to.
    And you know what it cost me out of pocket?
    Nada zero zilch!
    There are wait times for optional surgery here and sure there are screwups in the emerg, people are human, mistakes are made, life is messy ………..
    But if I was born in the US I would be dead right now.
    All this would cost way more than I could afford in the US.

    Just so you know.

  233. Very impressive, Weezie. That sounds wonderful, but I really have no way to compare. I don’t believe you’d be dead if you were living here, but you’d certainly have had to hustle around looking for help. How that time and effort might compare to the waiting time socialized medicine is supposed to entail, I’m not sure. And what cost you, as a taxpayer, have paid/are paying for this service, I don’t know. You do cheer me up, though, as I have generally only looked on the down side of socialized medicine, dreading the day, as it were.

  234. Weezie, This is most interesting. At what age is one
    accepted in the kind of care you have, because in the
    USA under the medicare, low cost supplement insurance and medicaid plans many are cared for just as well. However, there is an in between that suffers terribly because of not having affordabe personal insurances, not having work with insurance group plans, and not yet being of age to apply for their working tax invested medicare and SS. As far as I know even illegals are not denied health care if they walk in, wait, well, I have seen some go before me and I was there first, so to speak 🙂 Nevertheless, to go thru what Dave is going thru in my estimation is absolutely rediculous. I also know people who purposely keep their income down so they can get free walk-in medical care. Even some of my own relatives. I can’t blame them because if there are give aways, why not our American citizen first. It sounds like your Doctors there are just as reliable in socialized medicine as in personal practices. Are doctors there happy with socialized medicine and do not complain?
    How well trained are your doctors is also of interest.
    We do have a lot practice in groups here. Weezie, I am terribly sorry and prayful about your long and difficult journey with cancer. Sincerely!

  235. Laura, noticing you have not been on comment much,
    I hope you and your daughter (s ) are doing well. Is she
    home from hospital yet? Are your daughters small
    children, teenage maybe. moms need to be there.
    Best thoughts for better days for you all.

  236. Kari; Just to correct something. I left that post to view, but I am not the author of it. I’m happy that you have seen the other side of what inclusive medicine can do for its’ citizens.

    Beatrice. There is NO AGE discrimination. Once you are born a Canadian, you automatically have medical coverage in the Province that you live in. I pretty much stated above that everything that is essential is completely covered. Of course it is great if you can afford extra insurance, which pays for drugs, private rooms and various therapies (usually 80% paid). Depends. You can get the cadilac of coverage if you can afford it. But all people in Canada are treated and that is that. If you live in a remote part, and there are many a syou know how large our country is: You would have to drive or be taken to a larger centre that has emergency care in hospital.

    There isn’t a lot to brag about here, but healthcare is one which I am proud to say is our best asset. The Dr.’s have as much training as U.S. Dr’s. I used to place Dr.’s from border to border. Of course there are Dr.’s who want to make lots of moolah and they go to the States. But you have to take into consideration, their insurance rates are astronomical. IN the end you might make $50,000 more in U.S. but at what cost? Dr.’s here are pretty content, but like yours overworked.

    I’ll stay here, just in case…

  237. Weezie, You are so right regarding the astronomical
    insurance for doctors. They may get paid higher but
    do not retain as much as one would think. They are
    so open for lawsuits if they sneeze, and we have a certain class of lawyers who do nothing but promote the lawsuits. by “we only get paid a certain percentage if we win your case”. Drs practices are still affected by being brought in ligitimately or not, it creates distrust in a Dr. by the people. i think you are doing quite well with the care you have in Canada.

  238. One of my father’s doctors told him last week that he is putting his son through medical school. It will cost him over $300,000 for the education alone.

  239. Right, Dave, In most cases those who study medicine
    are drowning in debt themselves along with their family
    sacrifices for their education when they first step into practice with overhead expenses and insurance.
    It can take half their years of practice (considering 30 in a solid practice) to pay off those education debts. and that does not include the parent contributions, which is a gift to their child.

  240. Yes and the other thing to look at: You need to have marks in the high 80’s and above just to get accepted. That means there is an exceedingly large number of students who have finshed 1/2 their Doctorate and are still in huge debt, but sadly won’t become Dr.’s What about them? Where do they go and which slot do they try to fit into after that? Then there are the Dr.’s from overseas who are Dr.’s according to their degrees but have to do the USMLE in U.S. or LMCC in Canada to qualify to become a Dr. No wonder there are too few Dr.’s to go around this vast land. No wonder we don’t see the Dr.’s of the past, the ones that used to visit our homes when we got sick. That is the old days, and it will never come back. Except if you are on your dying night, the palliative Dr. will arrive, for your last breath. Comforting hmmm?

  241. I can get irritated with my personal doctors, then
    ‘sometimes, stop and think what would happen if every
    Dr and hospital closed it’s doors for one or a few days.
    There are less doctors with full degrees, but with practitioners licenses, some are very good. I do think
    there is too much science and not enough sensible evaluation of a whole person. Ever notice what a Dr
    will do when he first enters the room where you are waiting, Looks at his watch.. you are allowed ? minutes. They do that because in todays market, caring for Medicare patients they try and make up for less income
    by seeing more patients during a day. . Well, I sure
    do not like physical pain so hope they keep their doors
    open. In the meantime I am looking into hypnotism
    just in case.

  242. I gotta tell you this. One time when having a squabble with a sister over raising a family and education and all that stuff (she had one child, I had four) I thought my burden was worse than hers, after all, she and her husband both had good jobs, and just one child, so how could she dare have anything to complain about more than me. She got me good, by saying, as a sister can say, Well, “I” didn’t tell you to have all your kids…!!!. right on, I loved her blatant truth.

  243. I keep telling myself doctors are human and errors will be made. Yet, myself isn’t listening.

    It took almost three years for my current condition to be diagnosed. If I had been diagnosed within the first six months or year, I would have had a good chance of remission. While being ignored, diagnosed incorrectly and told I needed a head-shrink, everything that shouldn’t be done happened, including a surgery.
    Now, my daughter in law has gone a year with what they recently said are TIA’s and we have no idea of what is causing them. The only change in what is happening is that another MRI is showing a brain lesion that was not there a year ago. Now, we got rather excited when the new neurologist told us if it were necessary to take her to the emergency room again , she would be admitted as that was his intention. Nope, emergency room June 30th ……she was sent home again. She was fine that day and then at around 9:30 in the evening she was at the hospital….totally out of it. She had another “episode” July 3.
    In between the two episodes the dil gets a call from her mother who has a doctor she sees at the hospital where the dil will be seeing a super specialist in August. The mother evidently talked her doctor into pulling up my dil’s mri on the computer. He tells her the lesion is in the brain stem, cannot be operated on and will probably require chemo or radiation. My dil gets a call from her mom who relates this to her. I am more than upset with her mom and so angry with that doctor who broke privacy laws plus gave a “off-handed” diagnosis. You can imagine the fall-out from all of this.
    Not a happy camper at all !!!!! All kind of emotions going at the same time and they are everywhere !

  244. Newbie, there are always those who are faulty, doesn’t
    matter what area of work or what is considered a profession. I can feel your uncertainty and overall
    fear in your situation and past situations. just so you do
    not feel alone. About 10 days ago I had a real row with
    a doctor within minutes of him performing a procedure
    on my husband, and everyone in the department heard.
    As far as I was concerned at the moment he was an arrogant high and mighty SOB. The truth of it all was
    that one Dr. did not have the same information as the
    one doing the procedure and our information was incorrect. It was basically an issue between doctors
    that spilled over on us and scared the heck out of me.
    So I fought with fangs. Now that doctor that I called
    names within 20 minutes had my husband under his
    knife. “I” could have caused him anxiety and my husband could be dead. Who would I blame, the doctor
    of course! However, all came out well for my husband.
    Sincerely thinking well and prayer for your daughter-in-
    law, you and your family

  245. Newbie~~I am totally shocked that your dil’s mother’s doctor would do such a thing. He is leaving himself wide open for a lawsuit, if it can be proven. I am more shocked that your dil’s mother would call her and relate all this info via the phone. It is best to wait until the super specalist sees your dil.

  246. Is that not the chits detwill ! The doctor of course violated the law, gave a diagnosis and eliminated medical possibilities !!! I have not thought fondly of my dil’s mother ever but this takes the cake !!!!
    Yes, I talked it over with my dil and her husband. It is sit back, quietly wait and then snatch the balls from this doctor when we get the proper diagnosis. Phone call can be proven on the mother calling her….hopefully the computer will show when the mri was viewed…..I figure we can get that info from the special neurologist if the siomple question is asked about when the MRI was viewed last and by whom…..not sure but …..

  247. Beatrice, surely understand what you say. I get so frustrated and have to keep a cool head and hold my tongue when talking with my son, dil and the rest of the family. I have a negative opinion re doctors although I try hard to think positively. Of course it is easy for me to point the finger towards the doctors ….I keep telling myself some things are just not easily diagnosed but I really don’t believe what I am saying !!!!

  248. Beatrice, yes, yes, yes. My dil was having quite a time with all this anyway and this recent thing has increased her anxiety to say the least. I have that quite fury going inside myself. I don’t know what will happen once we get the correct diagnosis. A lot depends on what that is exactly and what needs to be done from that point on. I also wonder if my dil will “go against her mother” so to speak. You know her mom will not want to get her doctor in trouble, well, at least this mom would find that more important.grrrrr

  249. Newbie~~I can tell by your comments just how much you love your daughter-in-law. She is lucky to have you. I can understand your frustration with the ‘mother’.

    A close relative has his heart bypass tomorrow. He has two blockages and one is the main artery going to the heart. It is 75% blocked and they cannot use the stent because he has type 2 diabetis. He golfs, skis, very athletic, and quit smoking over 15 yrs ago. He was feeling run down and his doc sent him for a stress test which he could not complete. He had no problem going on short-term disability. This has all taken place in the past couple of months.

  250. detwill, I loved your ‘ ‘ around mother. Exact !

    When you say close relative, det, is this super close to you? I did not realize if you had type 2 diabetis a stent could not be used. 75% blockage….wow, good thing he has a decent doctor yet a couple of months rattles my cage.

  251. Newbie~~ my neighbor who is 60 had a slight heart attack approx five years ago. He had heart bypass surgery the next day. We have very good heart specalists here in Halifax.

    Look for an email from me…

  252. Detwill; I’m sorry to hear of your relative’s problem. I hope all goes well, and the Dr.’s are able to stabilize the situation. You of all people know how traumatic and serious this situation can be.

    I am sending you every prayer possible, and will be thinking of you tomorrow.

  253. detwill….I am to be looking for an email??

    My prayers tonight will be for your friend and close relative, detwill.
    I must add, I thank our Lord every night for the “cyber” friends on this blog as well as for all other blessings of the day. I do tag my thanks with a little note that special grace be shown to those of us here that are in need.

  254. Newbie~~I sent the email to the addy you posted May31, 4:19pm.

    I will let you all know how things go with his surgery as soon as I find out from his wife.

  255. Newbie~~I just copied what I wrote in the email and sent it again.

    Thanks everyone for your prayers…

  256. detwill, don’t know why but I am not receiving the email. Strange.
    What time was surgery scheduled?

  257. Newbie~~the email was not sent back to me so it went out somewhere. Check your spam. I put from From Detwill in the subject line.

    I am not sure the exact time of the surgery. He is in Toronto and his wife is at hospital and cannot use her cell phone until she goes outside.

  258. Newbie~~glad you got my email. I am trying to keep busy and waiting for the phone to ring. My daughter called me and had to get her hubby to pick her up at work and take her home. She is so dizzy, she can’t walk a straight line. Just too much to worry about here and I am trying to stay positive.

  259. You know the old saying… will all come out in the wash….something like that. The problem being is we are smart enough now to know it all depends on water temp, stain removers, laundry soaps, types of washers, types of material, etc etc.

    Keep us updated. Many prayers !!!

  260. detwill, just checking in to see if you had received a phone call yet.
    Guess not, huh.


  261. This will go into moderation but I had to say…what a shame that your blog is down Dave and we have lost contact with our friends. I will check back later if I get some news about the heart surgery…

  262. Hi folks….this is detwill39.

    Just wanted to let you know that the heart surgery is bumped up to tomorrow. What a day it has been between the worry and posts in here disappearing.

  263. Newbie~~the heart surgery went well today. The blockage was too high for them to use the stent so a bypass was done. I found out they do use stents in diabetics if the vessel is in the right place. Ken happened to go for his 3 mo check up for the diabetes and they checked the pulses in his ankles. The doc touched his toe and asked if he could feel it and he couldnt. She then took a tuning fork and touched it to his toes, he could only feel the toe on one side. The doc immediately sent him for a stress test and he couldnt finish it. He was immediately sent to a cardiologist and then surgery today. I just spoke with his wife and she explained it all to me. Had Ken let it go, the doc said it would have been a massive heart attack within a year.

  264. Det…Snoo… Hey, it’s great to hear from you. I am very happy Ken’s surgery went well. He is in very good hands with the doctors you have described and I hope he feels better soon. He will because of the bypass. I guess this is what I will have to look forward to because I know it is coming, and we are the same age. Oh well, I have PAD, which is what he’s got, too, plus the diabetes. I don’t think I mentioned it here, but about a month and a half ago, I was putting on a sock on my right foot. That’s my better leg, too. And as I slid the sock on, I felt a little pain in my second toe. I felt through the sock because I was sure I snagged the nail. Eh, no big deal. I finished dressing and went out for the day. Later that night, when I removed my socks, I saw what I had done and it wasn’t pretty. The right half of that toenail was gone. Split right up the middle to the root, yet I hardly felt any pain. When I was young, I would have screamed bloody murder, and speaking of which, it didn’t bleed that much. I know now that my nerves aren’t what they used to be and the vessels aren’t feeding me like in the past. My toenails are becoming brittle and the only thing I can do for now is to be more careful. It’s tough getting old.

    I’m really happy they got him in time. Thank you for telling us and please give him our best. You have a lot of blogging friends all over the Internet.

  265. detwill, that is one of those “whew” and thank God. Good news, very good news.

    Are you feeling a tad worn from the anxiety of waiting ?

  266. Newbie~~yes I am pooped. Between worry and other things I am committed to now. I do not breathe a sigh of relief until Ken gets thru post-op. Sometimes I wish that I didn’t know so darn much about medicine and the human body. It is best to be just plain dumb. Thanks so much for the prayers.

    Dave, make sure that toe heals properly or get your buns to the doc. The blood vessels leading to the toes are very tiny.

  267. I put fresh band aids on it for a few days and then, when I looked at it, it was growing back. Now, it looks like a normal nail again. I did fail to tell my doctor on the last visit, but I do have some good news, I guess. I have a 1:00pm appointment with a cardiologist next Tuesday.

  268. Dave, that is wonderful news ! !!!!
    I think I understand why you added “I guess.”

    detwill, just make sure you spend time in your garden, huh.

  269. Dave: Finally results with a cardio. HOORAY, I am totally feeling much better now that you are in the system with this specialist. Would this have happened because of your Dad’s association with his? I hope so. I’m sure your Dad would have loved to help you as best he could. I am assuming you will be taking your papers regarding the disability at the same time? No time to waste on this one. Leaving a clean set of papers, I’m sure he would be able to get those filled out tout sweet, just to add to the file. Or is that how the protocol works?

    Detwill; Wonderful to hear that the operation was a success. You never know in these situations how the patient will respond to such invasive surgery. Take care and try to get out into your garden to do a little relaxing.

  270. No results yet from the cardiologist, Weezie, because I haven’t been there yet. He will take a look and hear my heart. What happens after that is anyone’s guess, but it that point, no SSD paperwork would go through his office. Later, he could make a determination as to my health and if it is warranted

    Newbie – Just getting in to see my father’s cardiologist took some work, but yes, it’s good news. $200 just to say hello.

  271. Oooh, I would hate to have an appointment with a cardiologist hanging over my head for a week!! I suppose it’s got to be done, but if it was me, I’d be on tenterhooks the whole time. Ugh! My sympathies, Dave, go out to you.

  272. I have no choice, Kari. I am very confident I will live long enough to be wheeled into his office. I am not nervous, so I am relaxed about the date.

  273. Dave~~that is great news about the cardiologist. He can do an EKG right in his office and let you know what is going on. He will probably order up x’rays but it is amazing what they can find just from the EKG. Do you have recent blood results so he can check them, especially the heart enzymes?

    Kari~~for the life of me, why would Dave worry about this appointment hanging over his head? He has waited long enough to get to see a cardiologist. He has my blessings, not my sympathies.

  274. Yup, it is very good news, detwill39. I am sure he can do an EKG right there. I get them routinely now every time I go to my doctor and it was the last one that really showed some abnormalities. When she showed me points I had no idea what she was talking about. I’ve never had any blood tests for heart enzymes that I know of. maybe, that more of a heart specialist thing. This guy’s supposed to be about the best in the area, so my father tells me.

  275. Sorry, it was a joke. If it costs $200 to walk in the door, a kleenex or aspirin would have a high price.

  276. Oh… OK, then it is funny. That’s what it was in the hospital. Every time they took my blood sugar, it was $10, all itemized on my $32,000 bill, excluding what all of the doctors and x-rays and other tests cost. All told, my bill was around $35,000.

  277. My heart has been acting funny tonight. Strange thing, I was feeling pretty good today. I played with the cat and then, my heart started to act up a little and then, I had two very pronounced pains in my heart. Now, I don’t feel so hot. If I get another one, I’m going to put one under my tongue.

  278. Dave~~angina is a sweezing or tightness that may radiate down your left arm and/or up in your jaw.

  279. How long did you spend eating your supper? You probably hogged it down and sat in front of the monitor again to answer your commenters.
    No doubt you have indigestion. I watched the hits on your blog and it was during your supper hour.

  280. I have felt that, but mostly, I get sharp pains in my heart. 2 of them tonight. The first one made me sit up. I was lounging and watching House. I seem to be OK now, but a lot weaker. I don’t know if I should take one or not. My heart is still beating funny, but I have no pain at the moment.

  281. No, I know the difference. This was definitely a pain in my heart. I take Prevacid for GERD and it was not a gas pain that hit me.

    Oh, and I ate a very light supper. A bowl of cabbage and potatoes in broth. That’s it, and not much of it, either.

  282. When they told Ken they had to delay his heart operation until the next day, he had a panic attack right in the hospital. They put him on monitor and it was normal but he had chest pains. The trouble is, it is hard to tell what is real heart pains. Nitro wont hurt you, well I had it stuck on my butt. It was the same kind of medication.

  283. Nope. Nothing like that ever. I don’t panic easily and I was just lying down watching TV. I was a lot more active than I usually am. I know that fateful day, you know, I had done some weed whacking and when I came in, my pulse was high, I don’t remember, but my pulse was 138. Tonight, just resting, it was 113.

  284. Cabbage??? You have got to get away from that monitor ….I wish I could give you my 101 comments… so then you could relax.

  285. Cabbage is a free food for diabetics. We can eat all we want. I’m still not feeling right. Well, I’m going to go to bed soon anyway. I know that the nitro can give me bad headaches. That’s why I’m reluctant to try it.

  286. My sister was timid to take the first one too. Now she pops them at will so did my hubby. My sister is still going strong and had her heart attack almost 10 yrs ago and she is a type 2 diabetic.

  287. Dave~~weakness isn’t a heart pain. You have had a couple very stressful days….think about…we all love you…no matter…

  288. the pill sizzles a bit…you will feel a slight rush in your head, maybe a little pulsating…your vessels are opening up…this is all normal and the pill was not outdated…

  289. Dave, you only call 911 if the second nitro doesn’t take away the pain…you are fine if the pain is gone…

  290. Detwill/snoopy, It is good that Dave has you to advise him. Always nice to have the guidance of someone who’s already been down that road.

    Sorry if my sympathizing clashes with your congratulating. I suppose it’s about like commiserating with a kid who has to get his tonsils out. Mom doesn’t want anyone to mention how painful it was for them, or complications they may have had. We just want our brave boy to go in there with a cocky grin and bite the bullet, eh?

  291. Kari~~no problem at all. I know you mean well.

    Newbie~~How is your dil?

    I found out that the time from Ken seeing the cardiologist until his surgery was 2 weeks. I thought it was 2 months. He is in Ontario so we only communicate a half dozen times a year. He is a sweetheart and all is going well post-op.

  292. Hey Dave~~glad you are still alive sweetie. I may need your help later with something I cant figure out at that other location. I will send you an email.

  293. detwill, good to hear he is doing well !!!

    dil has not had an episode since last Saturday night. Thank God !!

    I have grand kids visiting for a week or so. Won’t be seeing much of you all. Will give an update if anything happens.

    Take care.

  294. Newbie~~grandmas are for hugging and baby sitting. Enjoy them. I only have the one and she is too big to babysit.

    Dave~~I made a stab at it…but if I try to edit, I cannot see all the type. Can I send you an email?

  295. Hi I hope you are all well. We are still waiting to be released it may be tomorrow we don’t know yet. I think we are waiting on some blood test/results. 😦 I am sad because I miss my bed. I will probably not be able to sleep in it, I am so use to sleeping in a chair now. I will check back in after while, NO CELL PHONES IN THE HOSPITAL. I am screaming cause I want to go home, sorry!!!

  296. Sorry to hear that, Laura. I hope you get to sleep in your own bed tomorrow. Hey, look at it from the one positive side other than that your daughter is healing. At least you didn’t have to wash your sheets for a week.

  297. lol Dave. I should be glad the longer we are the here, the longer the nurses change the packing and bandages. I kind of dread that. I hope you are well today. bbl drives me crazy having a conversation like this.

  298. laura~~I feel more comfortable over here than over there. Dave has a nice mansion and I live in a stupid tent. I wanna sleep in one of Dave’s comfy beds. All I have is an air mattress and don’t even know how to blow the thing up.

  299. Detwill, you are not stupid!!!!! Stop saying that, you are intelligent and very funny. You will get the hang of it just hang in there. Dave not really having fun, it sucks sitting in the hospital all day long. I think you will have more fun then me.

  300. Poor Laura. When you first have this sort of emergency, it’s all high drama and like an adventure, but by the next day, or couple days later, it’s just an awful drag.

    That sounds all flippant and callous, but I don’t mean it to be. It’s just that I know the hardest part is always the waiting. And often harder for the non-participants.

    At least the star of the show in the hospital gets meds to help them relax and feel better, or their mind is fully occupied with the symptom of the hour. So they have no time to worry and dread, but the loved ones in the waiting room have nothing else but time, to worry and regret.

  301. Oh, but you’re home, now! Sorry, didn’t check the date. I hope the patient is comfortable and reasonably happy to be home.

  302. On another thread, Dave was talking about the different carbs. Even if you don’t have diabetes it is a healthy thing to do to watch which carbs you consume. I was reading an article about our bodies healing themselves after injury or with disease and found this site:

    Here is how you can help your body as it heals like it is supposed to-
    1) Eat healthy. 3 meals a day along with 2 snacks that are low in sugar and salt.
    2) Sleep well. Take sleep meds if need be. Rest is important and good for the heart and immune system.
    3)Exercise. Nothing strenuous when you are ill but do try to keep moving and do what you can to strengthen your muscles.
    4)Take care of your mind and soul. Here are some strategies;
    *take whatever you need to reduce pain. Pain interferes with all of the above-good sleep, eating right, exercising, as well as wreaking havoc on your emotions and causing more stress.. Make sure you see your doctor if OTC meds aren’t working for you.
    *reduce stress through a relaxation technique that you find works for you. Stress is an enemy of the immune system and the blood pressure. Live for today and don’t worry about the tomorrows save for what you can do today to lessen worries. Pray the Serenity Prayer. Meditate. Just relax…
    *surround yourself with loved ones. You are there for them, let them be there for you. They want to help, so let them. Enjoy their company.
    *monitor your mood.Though you can’t always be in a good mood during illness, don’t allow anxiety or depression the upperhand. Seek medical help if need be. Pamper yourself. Do one thing enjoyable a day, at least. Try not to take out any moodiness on others; it will only make you feel worse.
    *if you are a spiritual person, practice it daily.

  303. One important note I forgot to add-
    No matter what OTC meds you are taking or want to take you must let your doctor know! That includes pain relievers and sleep aids. Same goes with herbal remedies and suppliments. There can be a bad interaction with prescription drugs.

  304. Coreysmom~~I love the one… Try not to take out any moodiness on others; it will only make you feel worse.

    There ya go Davey…quit picking on me and you’ll be 100% cured.

    For Detwill~~Do one thing enjoyable a day. Kick Davey square in the butt.

  305. Too funny, Detwill39!
    Please use a soft slipper on your foot!

    I am now reading about prediabetes. It is a concern doctors want to tackle before it becomes full blown diabetes.
    Here are the risk factors to check for:
    * Are you overweight?fatty tissue makes the body’s cells more resistant to insulin.
    *Are you inactive? Exercise helps the body to use insulin and process glucose.
    *Are you genetically predisposed? Type 2 diabetes in the famly heightens your risk for prediabetes.
    *Do you have high blood pressure coupled with low HDL cholesterol or high triglycerides (fats) in the blood?
    Symptoms of prediabetes-
    excessive thirst, frequent urination, and slow healing of sores.
    Attention all who are 45 years and older! Have the tests done whether you think you need them or not. If you can catch prediabetes early on the greater your chance of avoiding full blown diabetes.

  306. Dave, I see there is a new test for diabetes where no fasting or drawing of blood is required. Its called VeraLight and uses ultraviolet light on the skin to detect markers of prediabetes and diabetes. That is good news for me since I physically get ill if I get too hungry. Now there are no excuses! 😀

  307. Okay, one more comment and I am done!

    “People who feel their life is part of a larger plan and are guided by their spiritual values have stronger immune systems, lower blood pressure, a lower risk of heart attack and cancer, and heal faster and live longer,” says Harold G. Koenig, M.D., professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University Medical Center, who has studied the phenomenon of living a long full life. He studied people aroundthe world who were around 100 years old and still active. Find purpose, live longer and healthier. Okay, gotta go! Gotta find purpose!

  308. That is very important, Coreysmom. Your doctor must know about every supplement you take. For example, when I was taking Lisinopril for BP, I was reminded to stop taking any potassium supplements. Lisinopril causes the body to manufacture its own potassium and a supplement would cause an overdose.

  309. That’s news to me, Coreysmom. Here’s what the Web site says:

    VeraLight is a medical device company that was established in October 2004 to focus on a comprehensive approach to non-invasive type 2 diabetes and pre-diabetes screening with the proprietary SCOUT DS™ system. Our mission is to help stem the tide of the worldwide diabetes epidemic by driving early diabetes detection, thus enabling initiation of therapies that can prevent diabetes or reduce its complications. The company develops and acquires intellectual property, products, and services that contribute to this mission.

    The SCOUT DS test employs fluorescence spectroscopy to non-invasively measure advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) in the skin of an individual’s forearm. Skin AGEs are a well-known biomarker of diabetes, an excellent indicator of cumulative hyperglycemic exposure, and have been shown to predict the development of type 2 diabetes.


    We all think eating fruits means just buying fruits, cutting it and just popping it into our mouths. It’s not as easy as you think It’s important to know how and when to eat. What is the correct way of eating fruits?

    IT MEANS NOT EATING FRUITS AFTER YOUR MEALS! – FRUITS SHOULD BE EATEN ON AN EMPTY STOMACH. If you eat fruit on an empty stomach, it will play a major role to detoxify your system, supplying you with a great deal of energy for weight loss and other life activities.

    FRUIT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOOD – Let’s say you eat two slices of bread and then a slice of fruit.. The slice of fruit is ready to go straight through the stomach into the intestines, but it is prevented from doing so.

    In the meantime the whole meal rots and ferments and turns to acid.. The minute the fruit comes into contact with the food in the stomach and digestive juices, the entire mass of food begins to spoil.

    So please eat your fruits on an empty stomach or before your meals! You have heard people complaining – every time I eat water-melon I burp, when I eat durian (fruit from Asia with a foul smell yet delicious flavor) my stomach bloats up, when I eat a banana I feel like running to the toilet etcS – actually all this will not arise if you eat the fruit on an empty stomach. The fruit mixes with the putrefying other food and produces gas and hence you will bloat!

    Graying hair, balding, nervous outburst, and dark circles under the eyes – all these will not happen if you take fruits on an empty stomach.

    There is no such thing as some fruits, like orange and lemon are acidic, because all fruits become alkaline in our body, according to Dr. Herbert Shelton who did research on this matter. If you have mastered the correct way of eating fruits, you have the Secret of beauty, longevity, health, energy, happiness and normal weight.

    When you need to drink fruit juice – drink only fresh fruit juice, NOT from the cans.. Don’t even drink juice that has been heated up. Don’t eat cooked fruits because you don’t get the nutrients at all. You only get to taste. Cooking destroys all the vitamins.

    But eating a whole fruit is better than drinking the juice. If you should drink the juice, drink it mouthful by mouthful slowly, because you must let it mix with your saliva before swallowing it.

    You can go on a 3-day fruit fast to cleanse your body. Just eat fruits and drink fruit juice throughout the 3 days and you will be surprised when your friends tell you how radiant you look!

    KIWI: Tiny but mighty. This is a good source of potassium, magnesium, vitamin E & fiber. Its vitamin C content is twice that of an orange.

    APPLE: An apple a day keeps the doctor away? Although an apple has a low vitamin C content, it has antioxidants & flavonoid which enhances the activity of vitamin C thereby helping to lower the risks of colon cancer, heart attack & stroke.

    STRAWBERRY: Protective Fruit. Strawberries have the highest total antioxidant power among major fruits & protect the body from cancer-causing, blood vessel-clogging free radicals.

    ORANGE: Sweetest medicine, eating 2 to 4 oranges a day may help keep colds away, lower cholesterol, prevent & dissolve kidney stones as well as lessens the risk of colon cancer.

    WATERMELON: Coolest thirst quencher. Composed of 92% water, it is also packed with a giant dose of glutathione, which helps boost our immune system. They are also a key source of lycopene – the cancer fighting oxidant. Other nutrients found in watermelon are vitamin C & Potassium.

    GUAVA & PAPAYA: Top awards for vitamin C. They are the clear winners for their high vitamin C content. Guava is also rich in fiber, which helps prevent constipation. Papaya is rich in carotene; this is good for your eyes.

    Drinking Cold water after a meal = Cancer! Can you believe this?

    For those who like to drink cold water, this article is applicable to you. It is nice to have a cup of cold drink after a meal. However, the cold water will solidify the oily stuff that you have just consumed. It will slow down the digestion.. Once this ‘sludge’ reacts with the acid, it will break down and be absorbed by the intestine faster than the solid food. It will line the intestine. Very soon, this will turn into fats and lead to cancer. It is best to drink hot soup or warm water after a meal.

    A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this mail sends it to 10 people, you can be sure that we’ll save at least one life. Read this…It could save your life!

  311. Share this Chart with everyone
    Apples Protects your heart prevents constipation Blocks diarrhea Improves lung capacity Cushions joints
    Apricots Combats cancer Controls blood pressure Saves your eyesight Shields against Alzheimer’s Slows aging process
    Artichokes Aids digestion Lowers cholesterol Protects your heart Stabilizes blood sugar Guards against liver disease
    Avocados Battles diabetes Lowers cholesterol Helps stops strokes Controls blood pressure Smooths skin
    Bananas Protects your heart Quiets a cough Strengthens bones Controls blood pressure Blocks diarrhea
    Beans Prevents constipation Helps hemorrhoids Lowers cholesterol Combats cancer Stabilizes blood sugar
    Beets Controls blood pressure Combats cancer Strengthens bones Protects your heart Aids weight loss
    Blueberries Combats cancer Protects your heart Stabilizes blood sugar Boosts memory Prevents constipation
    Broccoli Strengthens bones Saves eyesight Combats cancer Protects your heart Controls blood pressure
    Cabbage Combats cancer Prevents constipation Promotes weight loss Protects your heart Helps hemorrhoids
    Cantaloupe Saves eyesight Controls blood pressure Lowers cholesterol Combats cancer Supports immune system
    Carrots Saves eyesight Protects your heart Prevents constipation Combats cancer Promotes weight loss
    Cauliflower Protects against Prostate Cancer Combats Breast Cancer Strengthens bones Banishes bruises Guards against heart disease
    Cherries Protects your heart Combats Cancer Ends insomnia Slows aging process Shields against Alzheimer’s
    Chestnuts Promotes weight loss Protects your heart Lowers cholesterol Combats Cancer Controls blood pressure
    Chili peppers Aids digestion Soothes sore throat Clears sinuses Combats Cancer Boosts immune system
    Figs Promotes weight loss Helps stops strokes Lowers cholesterol Combats Cancer Controls blood pressure
    Fish Protects your heart Boosts memory Protects your heart Combats Cancer Supports immune system
    Flax Aids digestion Battles diabetes Protects your heart Improves mental health Boosts immune system
    Garlic Lowers cholesterol Controls blood pressure Combats cancer kills bacteria Fights fungus
    Grapefruit Protects against heart attacks Promotes Weight loss Helps stops strokes Combats Prostate Cancer Lowers cholesterol
    Grapes saves eyesight Conquers kidney stones Combats cancer Enhances blood flow Protects your heart
    Green tea Combats cancer Protects your heart Helps stops strokes Promotes Weight loss Kills bacteria
    Honey Heals wounds Aids digestion Guards against ulcers Increases energy Fights allergies
    Lemons Combats cancer Protects your heart Controls blood pressure Smoothes skin Stops scurvy
    Limes Combats cancer Protects your heart Controls blood pressure Smoothes skin Stops scurvy
    Mangoes Combats cancer Boosts memory Regulates thyroid aids digestion Shields against Alzheimer’s
    Mushrooms Controls blood pressure Lowers cholesterol Kills bacteria Combats cancer Strengthens bones
    Oats Lowers cholesterol Combats cancer Battles diabetes prevents constipation Smooths skin
    Olive oil Protects your heart Promotes Weight loss Combats cancer Battles diabetes Smooths skin
    Oni ons Reduce risk of heart attack Combats cancer Kills bacteria Lowers cholesterol Fights fungus
    Oranges Supports immune systems Combats cancer Protects your heart Straightens respiration

    Peaches prevents constipation Combats cancer Helps stops strokes aids digestion Helps hemorrhoids
    Peanuts Protects against heart disease Promotes Weight loss Combats Prostate Cancer Lowers cholesterol Aggravates
    Pineapple Strengthens bones Relieves colds Aids digestion Dissolves warts Blocks diarrhea
    Prunes Slows aging process prevents constipation boosts memory Lowers cholesterol Protects against heart disease
    Rice Protects your heart Battles diabetes Conquers kidney stones Combats cancer Helps stops strokes
    Strawberries Co= mbats cancer Protects your heart boosts memory Calms stress

    Sweet potatoes Saves your eyesight Lifts mood Combats cancer Strengthens bones

    Tomatoes Protects prostate Combats cancer Lowers cholesterol Protects your heart

    Walnuts Lowers cholesterol Combats cancer boosts memory Lifts mood Protects against heart disease
    Water Promotes Weight loss Combats cancer Conquers kidney stones Smoothes skin

    Watermelon Protects prostate Lowers cholesterol Helps stops strokes Controls blood pressure
    Wheat germ Combats Colon Cancer prevents constipation Lowers cholesterol Helps stops strokes improves digestion
    Wheat bran Combats Colon Cancer prevents constipation Lowers cholesterol Helps stops strokes improves digestion
    Yogurt Guards against ulcers Strengthens bones Lowers cholesterol Supports immune systems Aids digestion

  312. Thanks for the fruit information. I did not know all of the information you provided but some I did. I hope you are well.

  313. I sure didn’t realize walnuts and rice helped in avoiding kidney stones !!!

    Thanks for the listing….rather handy it is .

  314. as you requested Dave and thank you for helping to get this info out there………..

    A letter from _______________(fill in the name of the person who suffers from Fibromyalgia) If you were born with healthy genes, you may know me but you don’t understand me. I was not as lucky as you. I inherited the predisposition to chronic pain, fatigue and forgetfulness. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia (FMS) after months, years or even decades of mysterious illness. Because you didn’t know how sick I was, you may have called me lazy, a hypochondriac, or simply trying to get attention. If you have the time to read on, I would like to help you understand how different I am from you.
    FMS is not the newest fad disease. In 1815, a surgeon at the University of Edinburgh, William Balfour, described fibromyalgia. Over the years, it has been known as chronic rheumatism, myalgia and fibrositis. Unlike diseases, syndromes do not have a known cause, but they do have a specific set of signs and symptoms which, unfortunately for the patient, take place together. Rheumatoid arthritis and lupus are also syndromes.

    The many physical and emotional problems associated with FMS are not psychological in origin. This is not an “all in your head” disorder. However please remember, stress can affect the body, just as physical pain can affect the mind, causing stress and depression. If someone needs help in coping or dealing with depression, they should see a therapist or Psychiatrist, but it does not mean they are “crazy.” It may help you to find methods of coping!

    In 1987, the American Medical Association recognized FMS as a true physical illness and major cause of disability. It is recognized as a disabling condition by the ARTHRITIS FOUNDATION, THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION and the MAYO CLINIC, among others.

    This syndrome may strike life-long athletes as viciously as it does couch potatoes. It can be disabling and depressing, interfering with even the simplest activities of daily life.
    (Keep in mind that these things may apply to some, not all of fibro patients)
    My pain – My pain is not your pain. It is not caused by inflammation. Taking your arthritis medication will not help me. I cannot work my pain out or shake it off. It is not even a pain that stays put. Today it is in my shoulder, but tomorrow it may be in my foot or gone. My pain is believed to be caused by improper signals sent to the brain, possibly due to sleep disorders. It is not well understood, but it is VERY real and very painful.

    My fatigue – I am not merely tired, I am often in a severe state of exhaustion. I may want to participate in physical activities, but I can’t. Please do not take this personally. If you saw me shopping in the mall yesterday, but I can’t help you with yard work today, it isn’t because I don’t want to. I am, most likely, paying the price for stressing my muscles beyond their capability.

    My forgetfulness – Those of us who suffer from it call it fibrofog. I may not remember your name, but I do remember you. I may not remember what I promised to do for you, even though you told me just seconds ago. My problem has nothing to do with my age (young people can get fibro) but may be related to sleep deprivation. I do not have a selective memory. On some days, I just don’t have any short-term memory at all.

    My clumsiness – If I stomp on your toes or run into you five times in a crowd, I am not purposely targeting you. I do not have the muscle control for that. If you are behind me on the stairs, please be patient. These days, I take life and stairwells one step at a time.

    My sensitivities – I just can’t stand it! “It” could be any number of things: bright sunlight, loud or high-pitched noises, odors. FMS has been called the “aggravating everything disorder.” So try to understand if I must decline certain invitations, or go home suddenly. I really can’t stand it.

    My intolerance – Perhaps I can’t stand heat, either, or humidity. I may sweat, profusely. Some people cannot sweat at all and so the heat is even more unbearable! Both are equally embarrassing, so please don’t feel compelled to point this shortcoming out to me. I know. And, don’t be surprised if I shake uncontrollably when it’s cold. I don’t tolerate cold, either. My internal thermostat is broken, and nobody knows how to fix it.

    My depression – Yes, there are days when I would rather stay in bed or in the house or die. I have lost count of how many of Dr. Kevorkian’s “patients” suffered from FMS as well as other related illnesses. Severe, unrelenting pain can cause depression, but it is a result of the Fibro, not a cause of it. Some days I may just feel like giving up. Your sincere concern and understanding can pull me back from the brink. Your snide remarks can tip me over the edge.

    My stress – My body does not handle stress well. If I have to give up my job, work part time, or handle my responsibilities from home, I’m not lazy. Every day stresses make my symptoms worse and can incapacitate me completely.

    My weight – I may be fat or I may be skinny. Either way, it is not by choice. My body is not your body. My appestat is broken, and nobody can tell me how to fix it. Often the medication I must take causes weight gain, but many of us with fibro suffer from severe Irritable Bowel Syndrome and lose weight.

    My need for therapy – If I get a massage every week, don’t envy me. My massage is not your massage. Consider how a massage would feel if that charley horse you had in your leg last week was all over your body. Massaging it out was very painful, but it had to be done. My body is filled with painful knots. If I can stand the pain, regular massage can help, at least temporarily.

    My good days – If you see me smiling and functioning normally, don’t assume I am well. I am having a good day but I am not cured. I suffer from a chronic pain and fatigue illness with no cure. I can have my good days or weeks or even months. In fact, the good days are what keep me going.

    My uniqueness – Even those who suffer from FMS are not alike. That means not every fibro sufferer may not have all of the problems mentioned above. I do have pain above and below the waist and on both sides of my body which has lasted for a very long time. I may have migraines or hip pain or shoulder pain or knee pain, but I do not have exactly the same pain as anyone else.

    I hope that this helps you understand me, but if you still doubt my pain, your local bookstore, library and the internet have many good books and articles on fibromyalgia.

  315. Gumbo, Thank you so very much for your article
    re: your FMS. I have a niece in another state from me, who has stated she suffers this most distressing disease and have had no idea that it is so very painful for her everyday. Such a unique and easy to read way you have expressed yourself gives us very valuable understanding.
    I wish it could be that you would wake up and the pain
    would all be gone, but reading this, it doesn’t sound likely. So sorry.
    and am sorry for that.

  316. GUMBO,

    Re the info you supplied above, I see my family member’s in-law very clearly. I try to relate – and I can, sort of. I have had pain like that intermittently, from a back/hip injury. I have good days, and bad, with no apparent reason as to why. I’d say I have many more good dsays than bad, though. The constant pain on a bad day/days is just exhausting, and I experience some of the above.

    I KNOW how debilitating this pain can be – just for brief periods – for me. I cannot imagine what it must be like to LIVE with it day in and day out, for most of the time, instead of the other way around.

    Wow. I kind of knew that – before – as I have tried to understand and cope with my own occassional pain and other connected distress.

    What about that drug – Lyrica (I think that’s the one)? I guess pain meds are out, due to the addictive characteristic inherent there. Also, don’t pain meds, when stopped, make the initial pain even worse than before, almost as if taking away the body’s ability to ‘bear’ it?

  317. As some of you know, we have been anxiously awaiting the 17th, today, for my dil to see a special specialist in neuro-nerves. It has been a year since she has experienced TIA’s, slurred speech off and on, confusion, etc etc. The biggest news is he did not make any diagnosis relative to the brain lesion and actually seemed rather passive towards what has been seen as a lesion. First thing he wants to do is a new MRI from her toes to her head !! I have not gotten all details but as I understand, he is starting at ruling out MS.
    As I write this I am not sure why I am so excited as we still don’t know what is wrong. I think his attitude about what has been termed a “brain lesion” is a relief to all. Maybe it is hope. Anyway, will keep you posted.

  318. Newbie- You have every reason to be excited. In the world of medicine, no news is good news and to rule out MS is great news. Let’s just hope and pray it’s nothing else that is all that bad. Definitely, I’m with you.

  319. Newbie, having had to go through tests for MS please do not be concerned about the spinal tap if your dil is to have one. That is THE test to have to completely rule it out. Also, make sure your dil stays in bed for a good six hours after or she will have one helluva headache! I know….
    When I had to go through the MRI (closed machine) I just closed my eyes and listened to the music through the headphones. It can be scary if one is claustrophobic. I laughed when I came out of there because the machine vibrates and it was like the worst back massage I’ve ever had.
    Your dil has a lesion on her brain. Wow. That’s what they told me, too, until the doctor determined that it was a piece of plaque because it didn’t change from one year to the next. That’s not good to have plaque in the brain! Oh well. I have a feeling a lesion isn’t exactly a good thing either.
    Keeping your dil in my prayers, friend! And you too!

  320. Thank you ladies. I usually can keep a level head while my insides are churning. Prayer is the comfort.
    Coreysmom, your statements ease my mind as there can be soooo many things when dealing with the body. I will share the “piece of plaque” and your experience with the enclosed MRI. My dil has a great sense of humor and we can get a lot of mileage from what you have said !!

  321. Dave, we had a driver here, where I live, who got on the freeway going the wrong way, at approx 6 something am, and after driving that way for quite some time, lots of calls to 911, hit a van head-on, killing driver of the van. Six cars were involved, a few injuries, some walked away, that one man died. Officials are wondering if the driver of wrong way truck was having a medical issue, perhaps something related to diabetes. So – I am wondering, what could that be? What might happen to a diabetic, to make a person misjudge like that? This same issue was raised when that woman did essentially the same thing, just a month or so ago where she died, and all the kids in her car, and lots of others. Can you help with my question? What could happen to a diabetic to cause something like that? Something to do with brain chemistry? Like being severely dehydrated – something like that?

  322. In case you or any family or friend that might be going through the angst of cancer is a short video from our National News station in Canada, regarding new breakthrough.

    As well I am posting an interview that Glen Beck had with a Canadian researcher on a chemical “dca”, that is supposed to rid all cancer cells and leave the good cells alone. Well then, let’s speed it to market. Not all of us have tons of time here.

  323. Wow, had not clicked this thread before. What a bunch of great people you are…..with all different struggles in life.

    I have only been on the Casey Anthony case here and was happy to find this!!!!!

    It seems to me like a few months back I remembered someone talking about their blog for depression. Snoopy? I might be wrong, but if anyone knows what I am talking about could you post a link?

    I suffer from depression and would love to hear about others experiences too. Kinda nice to feel like you are not the only person in the world with this.

    Dave- your blog and articles are a great distraction, even though the Casey case can be a downer sometimes. It is good to “escape.


  324. Thank you, anon1. I put that up because a few of us had discussed a page for this sort of thing. I just came up with the name. Actually, I have lots of posts unrelated to Casey, about all kinds of things, plus, there are other pages, including my experiences with diabetes and how others may benefit from my research.

  325. Thanks, are all of the topics on the Front Page? Thanks, will look forward to reading them when I get home from work, maybe if I am lucky I can sneak in there during work!!!!

    BTW, my name is Pam, I am going to think of a new screen name, Anon1 was just something I threw up there real quick and I realized it probably seems a little weird, or too “anonymous” Thanks again.

  326. Pam – All of the individual pages are listed above the banner. They are separate from the posts that appear on the front and page. Why not just try Pam? There are no ther Pams here and you can be the first one.

  327. Pamela~~I believe you must have read somewhere that I used to moderate a forum for folks that had both mental and physical issues. That was almost 6-7 yrs ago and was run by an ISP here in Canada. That site has since shut down.

    If you have read the comments in this thread, you will see there are a couple who suffer different forms of depression.

    Please feel free to discuss your depression right here. You will be surprised who may be going thru the same battle as you are. You will find that you are not alone. More folks are coming out and speaking about mental issues they deal with. Once it was taboo to admit that you suffered panic attacks etc. That is not the case now. Even movie stars and singers (The Judds) are coming out of the closet.

    I hope you will join right in here. We are like one big family, mostly female. Dave, our leader, is a very compassionate man and, trust me, you will be glad if you decide to be part of us. Hugs.

  328. Thanks Snoop, you are sooo sweet and I am amazed by your story. You are a very intelligent woman and quite spunky. I thought you were about 40ish until I read the dates in your posts. 🙂

    I guess the things that have helped me a little with depression were a seasonal disorder light
    and exercise. (yuck) I am trying to stay postive here, because for other people who can’t relate to it, it is hard to understand.

    Have had no luck with meds. The last thing I took made me feel really bad and scared for my life and I will never experiment with another anti-depressant again. It worked really well and then I all of the sudden crashed. HARD.

    So anyone who is taking anything new, watch out. I had just called my DR. to say that everything was fine and then 2 days later, I dressed up for St. Patricks day even though it was January and worked like that for a whole day all happy and my clients were looking at me like I was crazy. (I am a hairdresser)

    The next day was the worst day of my life.

    So that would probably be something I would want to warn people of.

    Yes, no one wants to admit it. Especially men. I try really hard to fight it. Not a lot of people understand how it feels to wake up and not be able to get out of bed. And it is not laziness either.

    Well, that is enough babbling for now, I hope if anyone reads this who hates waking up each day and wondering how you will get through the day……you are not alone. I will share anything I can to help anyone.

    Music has been a big help lately too. Some inspirational stuff. I have actually been listening to some “praise” type stuff, like you see on the ads on TV. 🙂 It is positive and makes you feel a little better.

    Thanks again.

  329. And hugs to you to Snoop. I live in Michigan, so we may be kind of close:) Well, 100’s of miles, but not 1,000’s.

  330. Pamela~~ I am so glad that you shared some of your story. I totally agree about the new medications. What may work for one person can send another over the edge. Zoloft is a drug that is very unpredictable. Some folks swear by it while others took it and it put them in a zombie state with suicidal thoughts. It depends on our metabolism.

    There are medications out there that will help but it is finding the right one, trying the different ones out can be harrowing and damn scarey. Alot of the meds have to be taken for a certain period of time before you feel any results. The problem is, if they don’t agree with you, you cannot stop them abruptly and have to be weaned off and that prolongs the agony.

    We have to keep in mind that the serotonin levels, as well as, chemical imbalances can play a big part in our emotions. There are meds that can increase the serotonin levels.

    For instance, I am deathly allergic to aspirin and one pill can kill me. My g/daughter is allergic to celery of all things. Wierd.

    As to not feeling like getting out of bed. You awake and as soon as your vitals come alive , the negative thoughts take over your whole being. What is there to get up for? What do I have to live for? You are afraid to face the day and want to escape back into a sleep state.

    We all need something to look forward to and someone who needs us. Just turning on the computer and losing ourselves in the conversation can be a Godsend. I find that reaching out to try and help others fulfills a need. Maybe it is just a few words, a hug, or just listening to someone else, not only are we helping another person, we are also helping ourselves. When we listen to the plight of others, sometime we began to realize that we tend to forget our own. This takes alot of dicipiline but with little baby steps, you may be amazed how soon you will be taking bigger steps and then then strides.

    If we took a poll of everyone who has commented in this thread so far, I think we would be amazed at how many of us can relate to what you are going through.

    Hey, my age, if I was wine, my gosh I would be the best vintage on the market. LOL

  331. Awww. Yah, I usually do jump on the computer first thing even though I don’t comment much.

    Kinda feel like you “know” everyone.

    I know what you are saying…….I know there are so many things in life that can be tough. I want to say I would trade anyone problems for a happy head. 🙂

    Well, shoot, my haircut appts, are here early. Will be busy for a bit.


  332. Pamela~~make the outside of your head all pretty and we will see if we can get it happy on the inside. We will pipe music in your ear , if we have to. Have a good day!

  333. Actually snoop, I was the one GIVING the haircuts. 🙂 If we lived closer I would give you the best haircut you have ever had. A nice sassy style for Snoop!!!

    And Dave, I would give you the best haircut ever too. LOL.

  334. Pam~~~in Dave’s case, I am assuming you do underarms, ears and nose? I like to keep things above the belly button.

  335. Actually from the the neck up!!!!!

    Although I occassionally do a back wax!!!! on men!!! Ouch.

    I try to stay away from the noses too unless asked. Most people don’t request that, thank God!!!!! 🙂

  336. Pam~~I am lucky my own nose. I do give Dave a hard time. He is my cyber son…of a gun.

    Here is a song that I listen to…I love the ocean. BTW, I am in Nova Scotia. My youngest daughter lives just outside Toronto. Lulu, who comments at Dave’s is from Michigan.

    Shania Twain, Forever and Always

  337. That is a great song!!! I think I have that CD somewhere too!!! I will have to dig it out.

    Yah, you and Dave have a good time I can tell!!!

    For a while I thought you were a married couple that lived in the same house and had seperate computers!!!!! Then I saw you were in Canada.

    Huh, Lulu could be my neighbor downstairs for all I know!!!! Cyberworld can be crazy like that.

  338. Dave and I fight like a married couple. Thank God, I can turn my puter off at nite and not have to listen to that man. When he snores, the earth trembles way up here in Nova Scotia.
    Can you imagine having to sleep in the same bed with something that sound like a big bull moose?

    I suppose I should change that to a CHARMING moose.

    I am gonna get banned for sure now.

  339. Yep, you are treading on thin ice.

    He will be done watching NCIS any minute, so “bye” if you get booted.

    I can appreciate a bed that has no snoring man in it too 🙂 Just a sweet cat in mine!!!!

  340. After several times to the emergency room, many specailists and seeing a neurologist , we all got rather excited when my daughter in law was to see the Special-specialist in neuro-nerves. She was having TIA’s we had finally been told and ms had been ruled out by the first neurologist. Then her second mri showed a few brain lesions. Her body jerked so bad at night she and my son weren’t getting any sleep. Anyway, we were soooo excited about the top dog neuro-muscle doctor. Well, we are back to spot zero. Basically after his tests, he told them it was not MS and that the brain lesions could be caused from migraines. HUH? She doesn’t have migraines. He put her on two medications to help with the jerking and sent them home. Now she is with a psychiatrist who takes one look at her meds and orders up blood work. He totally disagrees with what she is taking and is looking for the cause of the problems. I am trying to keep this brief as I am so aggravated and sour that after a full year and all kinds of medical doctors, test and consultations… we are….no answer to the problem. Wouldn’t it be something if the psyschiatrist is the one to find what the others haven’t.

    With my RSD, I went to a different neurologist. Without a blink of an eye or any tests, he gave me lidocaine pain patches and put me on an seizure med to try it out. I immediately had the prescription filled and started taking it as prescribed. By the time the weekend came, I was more than a happy camper off in never, never land. My kids moved me that weekend and were delighted when I told them I didn’t care what they moved or trashed. By Tuesday, my head felt as if it were sitting on my left shoulder and the walls were waiving. The pharmacist had given me the wrong med come to find out.
    I am a grump if you mention doctors or meds right now.

  341. Newbie; I hope all is well.


    I opened the Toronto Sun today to find out that 35 people in Ontario have died from H1N1 in the past couple of weeks. Well if that doesn’t make people stampede to the clinics I don’t know what will. It is total chaos here in Toronto. There isn’t enough vaccine except for Pregnant Women (not all at that), Healt care workers (front line staff and volunteers in hospital and Nursing home settings), young children, and people with Chronic conditions like Diabetes, Heart problems, Lung issues and Cancer. They have managed to innoculate 25,000 people in 6 days. Considering Metropolitan Toronto has a population of around 3 million, you can imagine the rumour and inuendo and fear. It’s a dog’s breakfast and many more will end up dead no doubt. Pleasant thoughts huh? Anway I am a volunteer at my local Hospital. I have recently recovered from a major bout of flu, was turned away last Thursday for the shot, but returned yesterday to have this shot done, once and for all. To say there are few side effects would be laughable and downright misleading. I feel like a mac truck has imobilized my trunk. I was up the whole night with shooting pain in my lymph nodes, horrible aches and pain throughout my bones and muscles. I hope this goes away. I am willing to suffer this as I would rather be alive than dead. Don’t know about you, but get your A** to a clinic and do it. I just read a very good article on this pandemic and they aren’t pulling any punches here. It can move very swiftly and there isn’t much the medical forces can do once it spreads throughout your lungs. Please whatever you do, don’t sluff this off. I am off to bed to lick my wounds, knowing tomorrow will be a better day.

  342. Dave it also includes people with Diabetes. You should be at the front of the line. Guess it pays to volunteer at a hospital. I didn’t line up as they have their own clinic for staff and volunteers. All the public centres which there are 15, people arrive at 4 am and usually are there for 4 – 5 hours before they get jabbed. People are fighting, cutting in line and there is no system to weed out the cheaters. You get 20 paki’s who argue their way into the clinic, and I hate to say it the Chineese aren’t any better. That may sound ugly but it’s the truth. Somehow they just won’t go away and follow the rules. Dummy white people just take it and wait their turn.
    Whatever you do, GET THE SHOT!

  343. Weezie~~ my gosh it is utter mayhem all over it seems. I get mine next Thursday. I hope it doesn’t make my joints ache any more than they do normally.

    People in high-risk categories include pregnant women, children under five, people in First Nations communities, and health-care workers, including family physicians, family practice nurses and pharmacists.

  344. Yes, so working as a Volunteer certainly paid off for me. Are you considered high risk? or in your Province are they already finished with those categories and on to the general population? Looks like our “general population” are hot out of luck till the middle of December. That means more than 2 million people will not be innoculated against this. I feel a bad vibe about this and nobody is ready. I have an article from last Friday, Toronto Star. The way it’s laid out makes it even more scary. You have to love this one. The people in the jails, (that is the criminals), are getting their shots but not the staff! How would you like to be there ???? I think the union is goind to be having their say on that one. I’m going to bed I ache like hell. I actually keep saying that and then I find I’m typing again. Bye for sure.

  345. Most people who get the virus suffer mild illness. But because most people have no immunity against the virus, many more people than usual are expected to become infected, sick or hospitalized or possibly die than during a typical flu season. Children, young adults and pregnant women are especially at risk.

    Being given top priority for the vaccine are those caring for babies younger than 6 months, health-care workers, pregnant women, adults with health problems such as obesity, asthma and diabetes and everyone 6 months to 24 years old.

    This flu is a bit different than other years as this flu has a higher rate of affecting those from birth to 24 yrs old. Usually the targeted age group is young babies and children along with the elderly.

    Of course, those of any age with underlying health conditions are also a top priority. Especially those with asthma or compromised lung function.

    I live on the East Coast (USA) and entire schools have been shut down because so many students have the flu. It travels rapidly through the school population once someone appears with the symptoms.

    If you have the vaccine available in your area please take your children including high school and college age kids to get it. The vaccine is in short supply and some will not be available until December. Please do not hesitate to protect your children and yourself this year especially.

  346. I know this is common sense but if you have not gotten your shot, wash your hands frequently or use hand sanitizer, keep your hands away from your face if at all possible, use a paper towel/tissue to open doors with handles in public places, or push open doors with your arm and not your hand, use disinfecting wipes on grocery store cart handles, wash your hands asap after handling money.

  347. Weezie, while I am a day late and dollar short, I so feel for you. I hope it is past now.

    What I am hearing is to only get the vaccine by the shot as the virus is dead. The virus is alive in the nasal “sniffer”….I don’t know what they call it. If I had not already had the virus, I’d get either as it is a pretty mean virus.

    My head spins at all the different opinions on whatever is related to this virus.

  348. I wasn’t going to tell on myself but…..I am so paranoid of getting ill from whatever now that I found myself washing off my two liter of coke and doing the same to can goods I picked up from the store. I am washing my grocery items ……Lord help me.

  349. Newbie, you are not paranoid at all. I have been doing
    this kind of cleaning for a long time and really believe it
    helps to avoid many colds, etc. With the kind of infections today, especially for people with weakened immune systems it is a good idea to be ‘carefull” I do not believe I am paranoid.

  350. New Puppy, I am glad to hear others, well at least one, feels this is a good thing. I am 66 and have a weak immune system to start off with but never have I been so aware of germs and viruses. Hell, I live by myself and was ready to toss my toothbrush for a new one !!

  351. Newbie, I know some elderly who actually put a few drops of clorox in water and wash their vegs and fruits, I do not do that because I do not know how much clorox
    may be toxic. but a little drop of soap isn’t going to hurt, rinse well! What the heck kids used to get their mouths washed out with soap 🙂 Re: toothbrush, I foun out that we can reinfect ourselves from our own toothbrushes, although I do not know how long germs remain on a toothbrush. I was advised by a dental hygeinist to purchase a mouth wash called Biotene. I did and for a year now use a half teaspoon on my toothbrush with the paste to actually brush with instead of water. We all got little scary little germs going on in our thoughts these days 🙂

  352. Hi, Sherry – Do you know I’ve been trying to wean myself off meat for a few months now. It’s a mind thing. I had to convince myself I don’t like meat as much as I used to. I actually enjoy vegetables more now. But I won’t stop eating meat! Just a lot less. Thank you for the link to that site.

  353. i have quit smoking cigarettes. i am trying to curb my caffeine addiction now by drinking a 20 oz hot green tea with 2 TBSP of honey a 1 TBSP cinnamon. i have more energy and both of these are good for our body on so many levels.
    also an apple, or cup of natural apple sauce will awaken you as well as a cup of coffee.

  354. Hi, cecelia – I quit smoking 26 months ago and I never looked back. I never will, either. Congratulations! I take cinnamon every day, but for diabetes. I can’t eat honey unless my sugar is low and apple sauce is very iffy. Real apples? Absolutely. Good for you and thank you for sharing this with us.

  355. Dave~~did they put a catheter in your right arm and feed it up thru to take a peek? Whatever you do, don’t put strain on that arm and cause it to start bleeding. Your platelet count is low so your clotting is not up to par.

  356. Snoopy – The respiratory guy took a big, fat needle and stuck it in an artery in my right arm. Arteries are much deeper in the arm than veins and it’s fresh blood going out, not old blood coming back in to be cleaned. That’s the painful part because it goes deep into the arm, but this guy was really, really good. I didn’t feel it as much going in as I did when he slowly pulled it out. I am so used to needles now. He showed me the vial he had drawn and it was a bright red as opposed to the dark red I’m used to seeing from veins. I would say that by the last month alone, I have replenished all my blood with new because of how many times I’ve had my blood taken.

  357. Dave~~okay, I know artery blood is full of oxygen and is a brighter red. Did they go into the lung via catheter and take a tissue sample? I thought that is what you were going for.

  358. No, Snoopy, I was originally going to get a lung biopsy, but that was altered when I was supposed to go on the 27th. Then, I was supposed to get the breathing tests, the 6-minute walk, the artery test, a CT scan of my thorax with contrast and a PET Scan of my body. I had everything done today except the PET Scan. No biopsy. I drove there myself because I had no meds to take.

  359. Geez Dave I didn’t know you were going for all these pin cushion tests! Hope you are feeling ok? That sounds scary but I guess it’s necessary to take everything into account about your health issues. When is your Pet scan? Glad they didn’t do the lung biopsy, I think it’s pretty painful and I know from my stepmother having the same thing, that it took a while to recover. Hope you and your Mom and Aunt are doing better. I sent you an email a couple of days ago about that. Cheers.

  360. Dave, I just thought, as a nurse, I would leave a bit more info on bone cancer here.

    Bone cancer is a very painful cancer and is literally tumors in the bones. In a person her age it is likely that she has already experienced cancer in her life (usually breast or lung cancer) as bone cancer is a cancer that originates in another site. The only time it is a primary cancer is when you see it in a teen or child.

    In fact, I had a patient that was diagnosed with bone cancer that was in his 60’s. The Doc knew it is not a primary cancer, but a metastatic cancer, so he started running tests. Sure enough the fellow had a tumor in his lung and did not know it. The lung was the primary source of his cancer.

    Most of the patients I saw with it were experiencing pain or aching in their bones and attributed it to arthritis or getting older. Sadly some found out they had it when their bone broke at the tumor site.

    Bone marrow transplants are not treatment for this type of cancer. You have to have chemo, radiation and/or surgery to remove the tumor, sometimes even amputation.

    I wanted to share all this as you have been helping many to quit smoking by sharing your own experience. I do not know for certain that Tim or his wife smoke. But, I have been very concerned by his voice, his coloring and the cough he has had when I see him on TV.

    I know we will all keep him and Georgeann in our prayers and I hope we will all remember that cigarettes can be a gift that keeps on giving.

  361. Frosty – I can’t say with complete certainty, but I believe Tim is a smoker – or was. I sure am glad I quit when I did. I wish I never picked it up.

    I know bone cancer is not a painless disease and I hope and pray for a positive outcome. I don’t know how advanced she is, but you’re right, whatever treatment she gets, if any, it will be no picnic in the park. Thank you for leaving information. If one person reads it and quits smoking, that makes this blog very worthwhile.

  362. HEALTH INSURANCE. I know this is long but I thought I would share a friend’s posting from Blog for a Cure about his experience with his health care insurance. It’s interesting.

    I’ve been meaning to tell you about my health insurance plan for a while now, but was more focused on dealing with my cancer.

    So, as the healthcare debate continues I would like to explain the little understood affordable heath insurance plan known as HSA – high deductible plans.

    About 4 years ago my monthly premiums had risen to almost $500/month for the privilege of having a $20 copay for visits, prescriptions and most tests.

    $500 month x 12 months =$6,000 in premiums before I even made a single doctor visit.

    During the Bush years, the Republican Congress passed a terrific new healthcare law that has been horribly promoted.

    Basically it allows individuals to purchase a high-deductible insurance plan which comes with a low monthly premium and allows you to open at a bank, a Health Savings Account. This HSA account is your money that you can contribute to and use for a rainy day. The HSA account allows you to contribute $3,000 a year that you can spend as you wish or not, for medical expenses (from surgeries to saline eye solution) and the great thing is, it’s tax-deductible just like an IRA contribution. So your income is reduced by $3,000 if you contribute.

    There are different levels of ‘high deductible’ The higher the deductible the lower the premium. I chose a $5,000 deductible and my premium was about $150/mo. My wife chose a $2,800 deductible with a $220/month premium.

    In my plan, I am responsible for the first $5,000 of medical expenses. After that the insurance company picks up 100% of everything. Hospital, drugs, surgeries, tests etc..

    So if compared to my other plan, my annual premium was now $150×12 months =$1,800. Plus if I want to, I can contribute $3,000 in a year in to my HSA bank account which is also tax deductible. That’s what I did. So before going to the first doctor visit I was in for $4,800. But $3,000 is still in a bank account in my name. It’s a safety account I can use at any time to spend for doctors and other medical treatment no permission or explanation required. It builds interest (big deal) tax free as well.

    If I never went to the doctor all, I would spend $1,800 in premiums and still have my $3,000 in the bank. The next year I could contribute another $3,000 on top of the first $3,000, etc…

    At first, the thought of paying for my own doctor and prescriptions was frightening, but I soon understood another advantage of the plan that had escaped me.

    When I would go to a see my primary doctor for example, his office visit would have normally cost me $75. But since he participates and accepts my insurance plan the ‘negotiated rate’ the doctor agrees to charge and collect is not $75 but $47. Therefore I go to the doctor and I end up with a bill for $47.00 which is then applied towards my $5,000 deductible. I also discovered that most of my old $20 prescription co-pays from the other plan (MDNY now defunct) for generic drugs were now cheaper as well. Most of my generic scripts today are $4.00 to $12.00. Go to Walmart and see all the $4 generic scripts.

    For the first two years I saved a lot of money by only paying for what I used and paid for it at the pre-negotiated reduced rate. An ENT specialist visit was regularly $220, but my out of pocket cash price was $110.00

    2008 The year I got cancer.. And had only a $150/mo insurance policy.

    In 2008 as you may have seen on this blog I was diagnosed and treated for “Metastatic Squamous Cell Carcinoma with unknown primary” The cancer was in my lymph nodes of my neck. I had two surgeries, including a 5 1/2 hours radical neck dissection surgery where the surgeon removed 5 lymph nodes, 4 having cancer and removal of my tonsils. Although they believe the primary cancer was in my tonsils or throat they were never able to locate it. They said the primary cancer could be as small as 5 or 10 cells big and would never show up on a test!

    I went on to a second surgery, a series of tests, consultations with doctors, etc. I consulted with 3 radiologists, one being a throat and neck cancer specialist at Sloan Kettering in New York City, but chose to go to have my treatment at Stony Brook University Hospital under the care of the chief of radiation Dr. Alan Meek. The care of the doctors and staff was first rate. I owe them my life and eternal gratitude.

    The first worry I had when I came down with cancer was, would the insurance pay for it? Well it did. No questions, no problems. I paid for the first $5,000 which was easy to do and met my deductible in February of 2008. For the rest of the year I did not lay out a red penny. Drugs, radiation, tests were all covered 100%. Even treatment at Sloan Kettering and Stony Brook were all ‘in plan’.

    Today my premium is $155 and is going up to $177 in March of 2010. Meanwhile I have friends who are paying $800 to $1,800 for their insurance plans with $20 and $30 copays.

    My insurance plan is through GHI which is now part of Emblem. There are numerous other companies that offer this type of insurance of high deductible with low premium and HSA account options.

    Have I had any problems? Until now no. Currently I am fighting with them for an approval on my semi annual PET scan which they have denied 3 times in a row. I am appealing it, playing hardball with them and will get the test. The PET scan which normally costs $7,700 will cost me out of pocket $2,400 because of the insurance. So i can’t understand why they are objecting to it, but every company has it’s stupid bureaucracies none of which will ever compare to the nightmare of any government run program.

    I highly recommend taking control of your own health insurance and your own life. It is not the responsibility of your employer to cover you and certainly not the government. It is your life and you are the only one who has a vested interested in protecting it and caring for it. You don’t file an insurance claim for a $20 oil change but you do for a major car accident. Same thing applies to your health. An occasional $50 doctor visit is something most of us should be willing to pay for. But when we hit the lotto, and the card says “you’ve got cancer!” you’d better be covered.

    Love to all,

    Jacques Ditte

  363. Thanks for that breakdown of HSA and the High deductable insurance weezie10. I was unable to explain it correctly, to my wife during my last open enrollment period. Your post explains it better than I did. I am hoping that your post will clear up some of the confusion for her. She looked at the plan as a crap shoot.

    Thanks for the great info

  364. Hi Medic1 Joe~~I hear you are taking care of our Dave. He is pretty feisty so you may have to tie him down in his bed. If he talks too much, you have my permission to put some tape across his mouth. LOL I have been his partner in crime for well over a year now so know all about him. He is also a holy terror around pretty nurses. You get my drift. Keep him safe so he can get back here and I can pick on him some more. I hope you pop in again sometime..

  365. Medic1Joe, I would venture to say that time spent with Dave was certainly not boring and he will be one of your patients you don’t forget! !!

    Make sure and drop by again as your time allows.

  366. Medic Joe 1. You are more than welcome. I get a bundle of information from my buddies at Blog for a cure. Since it is an american Blog, most of the members are indeed American. I wouldn’t know one U.S. Health plan from another, but they sound as confusing as the Canadian ones, I’ll say that.

    Yes take care of our buddie. He needs a wealth of encouragement.

  367. Dave, sorry to read you again have new and deep concern for your dad’s health. I Sincerely hope and
    pray for you and your family to have best positive outcome.

  368. Well, I’m back from the hospital. My father has double pneumonia and a bacteria that resembles tuberculosis, but it is not that disease. We had to wear surgical masks and gowns. Thank you, all, for your concerns and prayers.

    New Puppy, it is wonderful to hear from you! Thank you.

  369. Hi Dave,
    I’m still praying everyday for your father’s health condition to improve and for you and your family to have the strength to get through this difficult time.
    I hope your health problems are stabilizing and that you are coping with your situation. I’m sending some good healing vibes your way.
    Please give your mom a big hug and tell her that one of your fans is thinking of her.

  370. Frankie, I am so sorry I missed your comment from last night. Thank you for praying for my father and for our strength. Believe me, those good feeling vibes were with me all day and they finally caught up with me. You are great! I will hug my mother and tell her exactly what you said.

  371. I have a question. Probably more for the ladies, no offense Dave. Have any of you had a bladder that fell? I had a hysterectomy and I am having some issues, but I am to busy at the moment to go to the doctor. I know it can be common if you have had a hysterectomy but a bladder that fell does not fit into my schedule. So any information or help would be appreciated. I don’t feel horrible, but I do not feel great so not in a big hurry just need to know how I know, side effects and so on. TIA

  372. Laura~~my sister in law had a fallen bladder and had to have surgery to get it repaired. It seems fairly common in women who have gone thru childbirth a few times. It does not cure itself and it is best to get it taken care of. I am sure you can find some good info on the internet. I will see what I can find.

  373. Dave, what is the current status of your getting SSD? I am curious because I was turned down the first time I applied for it and had to reapply two more times, and they were both denied. I was told that was normal. I finally had a hearing in front of a judge and was granted SSD. It took almost three years to get, but they did retro back to when I first started having medical problems. I have Sarcoidosis, chest pain, shortness of breath, chronic pain, migraines, and on oxygen. I live in MN, so I hope FL is faster than what it has taken me.

  374. Hi, Mary Jo. Thank you for asking. I have been denied twice now and my attorney says I should have a hearing next, so I’ll wait and see. I know it’s retro. The attorney says it should be 2, not 3 years. I don’t know. At least my chest pain went away with this new medication, but I still have other problems, but no migraines. My liver and spleen are swollen and my platelets are low. I’m anemic and not losing any blood, which points to a bone, blood or spleen problem. Sometimes, I ache so bad I don’t want to get up, but otherwise, I’m OK. I’m glad you finally got it.

    By the way, everyone I’ve ever met from MN, and I mean EVERYONE, has been very, very friendly. That says a lot, you know.

  375. I don’t think you will have a problem getting it Dave. You have lots of things going on. I don’t know why they make it such a hard process when it is evident that most people that apply for it need it. Will you be able to get medicare then once you are granted SSD? That is the way it works here. Thanks for the compliment on us Minnesotans being so nice. I have a sister that lives in Ft. Myers and I have found the people there are very nice. They move at a much slower pace then us though. She said that was a big adjustment for her when she moved down there about 20 years ago.

  376. Thanks, Mary Jo – I noticed it was a different pace when I moved here from New Jersey, too. Today, it’s normal for me, but I think it’s moving faster the older I get.

  377. weezie – in a few months, I’d love to visit with you about your experiences. I have a personal interest, but am not quite at the point of sharing that information yet.

  378. Vicky; anytime you wish to share of visit blogforacure I would be happy to assist you in any way. I’m into my 3rd year of survival. Yahoo. I just found this sweet post there and thought if anyone has lost someone recently this might be helpful.

    This is a very beautiful, but very sad poem that a friend wrote a long time ago. Thought I’d share it with you.

    On a shaded early morning
    In the middle of the Spring
    I was lying in the darkness
    And I didn’t hear a thing.

    When I felt a gentle whisper
    Brush against my hair
    And I turned to find out what it was
    But there was nothing there.

    So I lay there gently drifting
    Waiting for the break of day
    And I didn’t know that in the night
    You had gone away

    The sun was braking through the shade
    When I awoke to see
    A glowing mist above my bed
    That seemed to speak to me.

    Not In words but in a way
    That made me understand
    That the gentle whisper in my hair
    Had been your loving hand.

    The room grew warm and I could smell
    Your sweetness fill the air
    And once again I felt
    Your loving hand brush through my hair

    I rose to make my morning cup
    And walking past your door
    I noticed something odd and strange
    Had fallen to the floor

    I picked it up and then I glanced
    Into your room to see
    You sleeping very peacefully
    And didn’t notice me.

    I walked downstairs into the light
    Was then I knew this thing
    That I had picked up from the floor
    Was a tiny angel wing.

    I opened up the window blinds
    And stretched across the sky
    Was a rainbow and I knew
    That you were telling me goodbye.

    I ran back to your room
    And in the brightness of the day
    I realized that the angels came
    And carried you away.

    Although I was not with you
    When you journeyed toward the light
    I’ll always know you came to say
    Goodbye to me that night.

    So now your gone and in your room
    I haven’t changed a thing
    But on your pillow I have placed
    That Tiny Angel Wing.

  379. I haven’t been commenting her very long, but I find this part of Dave’s blog helpful. My dad is 84 and is getting over pneumonia that he was in the hospital for. He has had diabetes for many years, has had 2 triple by passes and has CHF. He found out today that he also has COPD and when in the hospital they found a growth on one of his lungs. They aren’t sure yet what it is. His regular doc is out of town and he will see him around April 1st and then do another chest x-ray. Will you please say some prayers for him that the growth goes away before his next appoitment and that it turns out to be nothing? It scares me to think of it being cancer. He can use all the prayers he can get and it would be a comfort to me knowing others are praying for him. You are a great bunch of people and I love how all of you are there for each other. This is a great place Dave and thanks for all you do.

  380. Mary Jo; I can sense your fear and you know I hate to say it, but health problems do arise as we get on in age. In fact your Dad is so lucky to have had so many years so far. Of course you have my prayers, and the more you can get the better. I am praying that his caregivers are gentle, understanding and most of all that he gets the right treatment, no matter what the outcome is. Keep us informed of his progress. Try not to worry too much. It’s really in God’s hands.

  381. Thanks so much Weezie. I really appreciate it. It is a comfort to me to have people to talk with about this kind of thing.

  382. Dad’s are very important to daughters. It’s a life long relationship that is hard to put into words. I think of my Dad every day, about something or other. He was my best supporter, cheerleader and guiding light. He was a very honourable man. I love that he left me with those kind of memories. I got lucky to have him and my Mom who died when she was only 46, I had just turned 2o. I then had a step mother who was also very kind to me. Life has dealt me a very wonderful hand and in that I want to support all that have to go through the emotional trials of sick parents. I nursed all 3 of mine. Till next time, and stay strong.

  383. Mary Jo,
    Your Dad has really been through a rough time with his health issues. It must be very difficult for you. I will put you, your father and your family on my prayer list. Weezie is right about it all being in God’s hands. Maybe our prayers can sway his plans. How lucky you are to have had your dad for so many years. I missed out on knowing what it is like to have a relationship with a father because my dad was killed by a drunk driver the day before my first birthday. I have always felt that my life has a missing piece and have mourned for him my whole life. Lucky for me that I had a good mom and grandmother and I still have my wonderful husband.One day we will all be together again and I will meet my dad.
    My thoughts and prayers are with you.

  384. Thanks weezie – I loved the poem. Snoopy told me in an e-mail that you would be a good resource. I will definately take you up on your offer in the near future and plan to go and read at the blogforacure site. I am in week three and 1/2 of treatment and although I have a very positive attitude and my prognosis is excellent, I am still trying to wrap my mind around the reality of becoming a Breast Cancer Survivor. I have a fantastic treatment team that have made me a partner in the process, but as you know it takes time to take it all in.
    Believe it or not, I am actually a very private person and at this point, it’s a combination of humorous and difficult to deal with people who have heard about it via the grapevine.
    My biggest complaint so far, is I am tired of being tired, and tired of being awake when I should be in bed, which is exactly where I’m going before my nurse aka husband wakes up and comes looking for me. LOL

  385. Vicky I understand the need for privacy when it comes to these kinds of health issues. It took me a long time to even accept that it was happening to me. You walk in shock, listen to the Dr.’s and their wonderful plans for you and then automatic pilot starts. I guess I was lucky in the fact that side effects were small. I did n0t have chemo but 26 radiation treatments after my surgical wound healed. I know you will be comforted by everyone over at the Blog …. It quite literally saved my emotional juggernaut with anger. It saved the rest of my family and friends from dealing with something I wanted to spare them from. Soooooo you can find me there with the same gravatar. There’s a million stories to read and you can just click on the type of cancer you have and all the people in that category will pop up. I have many supporters and I also support many. It’s like being in a live session or group, without having to leave your computer. Somewhat like Dave’s but it’s specifically designed for cancer patients. You will find lots of peotry, humour, sadness, anger and enlightment. It’s your choice when you are ready. Once you have gone through it, you might even join. It’s easy to do and JILL is the Owner and Lead on any questions you might have. I hope this helps you. Dave has been good enough to post the website on the sidebar. See you there.

  386. Mary Jo~~prayers go out to you for your dad that we will get all better. Tender hugs my friend.

    Vicky, I am glad you have connected with Weezie. She is a Canadian so you may be stuck with you of us.

  387. Thanks Frankie. I am very lucky to have had my dad for so many years and I try to let him know each day how much I love and appreciate him and for all that he has taught me and given me. I am sorry that you lost your dad at such a young age. I am sure he has been watching over you your whole life even though you weren’t aware of it. I appreciate everyone’s prayers and thoughts. It is in God’s hands and he will do what he thinks is best. Thanks again for the prayers.

  388. Hi, All. It’s great there’s so much support out there (and here!). I haven’t had to deal with the cancer thing (knock on linoleum) but who knows? I did find “” in Oct., when I, yup, broke my dang leg, and that was amazing. We are living in a veritable Golden Age of communications- no one need be totally alone. Prayers to all of you. My Dad is out of the hospital today (pneumonia), he’s doing fine.

  389. Mary Jo and Vicky, you have my prayers, too. Hugs…

    Weezie, you are such an encouragement and help!

    Snoopy, thanks for your humor, too, for laughter is truly the best medicine. 😀

  390. Here’s the lucky Hematology/Oncology Referral I got from my doctor yesterday:

    2007 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 287.5

    Thrombocytopenia unspecified
    decrease in the number of blood platelets.
    A decrease in the number of platelets in the blood that may result in easy bruising and excessive bleeding from wounds or bleeding in mucous membranes and other tissues.
    A condition in which there is an abnormally small number of platelets in the circulating blood.


    281.9 Unspecified deficiency anemia
    megaloblastic NOS
    nutritional NOS
    simple chronic

    Yippee! I’m happy.

  391. What a wonderful place I have entered. Dave…I lost my father due to diabetes. What a battle it was for him and all of us. Please take very good care of yourself. Diabetes makes no friends.
    When my son was born, we suffered from a condition known as shoulder dystosia. I only wish the Doctor who delivered him would have been more cautious before the delivery. My son stopped breathing and I didn’t fare so well either. After four days of life, he was taken to a much larger hospital only to find out that he needed open heart surgery also due to heart defects. He was in congestive heart failure, and was having other complications they could not figure out. Because of his delivery, he was also suffering from something called necrotizing enterocolitis. By the time they discovered this, I was told to call someone up for an emergency baptism. His bowel wall lining was gone and air had started to form around the intestines. He would finally have a bowel perforate and suffer from perotinitis. I remember the day he was so ill, they did an emergency surgery to place a cylastic line going directly to his heart. He was so beautiful and so so sick! I was asked if there was a specific denomination that I would like to come up to my waiting room and not being a follower of any particular church, I stared for a bit and then answered, “Send everyone that will come.” “I am not sure who has the best line directly to God himself!” You know what? It worked! My son is 19 years old and does quite well if I do say so myself. Oh sure, we still have things to battle. We now go to check both my children for a heart disease that is genetic and has affected many. It is called hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Big word isn’t it? It doesnt matter though. I have gotten to enjoy my son as well as many other people in this life. We are so lucky! My father, who battled his diabetes, as he was with me every step of the way with my son, was my son’s best friend for all of his years until we lost my father. He too, enjoyed the best of times, with my son right by his side. The day I lost my father, I could hear my son on the phone, saying to my Dad, ” Goodbye Granpa!” “I love you!” Several months after the loss of my father, my buddy, my daughter became quite ill. She was 18. After many doctors and being told they were sure it was lymphoma, my daughter had surgery at the loyala cancer center. She is now 23 years old an we have not had any cancer or any other problem for her. I was a bit overwhelmed and ended up secluding myself in my house for a couple of years. I now know there is no need. I will get through all of this and so will my kids. They are now young adults and I am still here and I was the luckiest daughter in the world! Now I have found this site and feathers, snoopy, vicky, weezie, all of you.especially Dave……….THANKS FOR THIS SITE AND JUST THANKS FOR BEING YOU!

  392. SageMom~~Faith can move mountains and He is the best Healer in our universe. Thank you so much for sharing. I am so happy that things have gotten better for you. God Bless you.

  393. Those stories really touched my heart, SageMom. Oh, yes, I’m quite aware of what diabetes will do. The bad part about it is that you could have it for up to 8 years before knowing it and a lot of damage could be done by then that will catch up down the road. I was immediately put on a BP med to keep the veins to my kidneys from getting brittle, even before I was officially diagnosed, but we knew I had it. An official diagnosis can’t be rendered until the first blood tests come back. So far, my kidneys are working fine, but there are so many complications that will set in if not kept under control. My heart and lungs are the main issues I’ve had to deal with over the course of two-and-a-half years, but doctors have helped me overcome some of the problems for now with medications. I will need stents, though, but not yet.

    What you and your loved ones have gone through makes my problems seem very mild. I have a big fear of cancer because it does run in both sides of the family. I would hope your son has become quite the fighter after what he went through before he even knew what fighting was about. Call it more of a will to live than a fight, but powerful, just the same. I sure do hope your daughter remains cancer-free. That is such a terrible thing for anyone, let alone someone not yet in the prime of life. I am sure your faith and hers have helped her achieve her good health.

    Yes, you are a very lucky daughter. Your father must have been an incredible man. I know you have family, but please look at us as part of your extended family. Hopefully, you will find some peace and comfort while here, while enjoying a little laughter. By the way, thank you for finding us, and thank you for just being you, too. You are a kind soul.

  394. I can think of nothing better than being blessed with an extended family.! Dave and Snoopy, thankyou. I feel very rich tonight! A big hug to both of you and a nighty night too! That wonderful son of mine is going to work tomorrow and I intend on seeing him off! Then I have a full day planned in my garden! How perfect is that?

  395. Hi there Dave…I’ve been lurking alot lately…Some health issues…Went to the nephrologist yesterday…took it upon myself to be proactive in my health care since my primary wouldn’t refer me…SHe did after his office called her and told her I had made a consult appt…He has put me on a low potassium/low sodium diet for now until we can get results from tests he has ordered…Have to take my BP morning and evening…several times to make sure readings are accurate…I don’t have diabetes but GFR rate had decreased and potassium level elevated…I know there is no cure for CKD but it can be prolonged so that dialysis can be put off for a while…I’m not ready to get off this merry go round yet…No limit yet on protein but 2ooomg limit on sodium and potassium…The diet doesn’t seem too strict yet and I’ve got to walk for exercise…In other words get off my ass…spend less time on the computer…Can’t give you up though…Thanks for this thread…keep up the good work…Hope you and your family are in the best of health….considering all your ills…

  396. Estee – I wasn’t aware that you suffer from CKD. I’m sorry to read that. My mother is at the stage where if it goes to the next one, she will need dialysis. That was from many years of eating what she wanted, even when she was aware she was diabetic. Me? I never put salt on my food and my kidneys are fine (so far) and my BP is perfect. Of course, Coreg will lower BP, and that’s the only one I take for it now. Definitely cut back on sodium and potassium, but mostly sodium, and PLEASE drink tons of water, at least 8 glasses a day. I take a diuretic because of my heart, so I know all about water and peeing, but it helps the kidneys.

    Right now, my mother’s BP has been very high, over 200/100. She was put on a new med, but it’s not helping, and she doesn’t need anything more to damage her kidneys. Please keep me informed. This is something I am VERY interested in, and I will do anything I can to help. Now, it’s Jeopardy time. I’ll be back.

  397. Dave~~your mom’s BP is in the stroke stage. If you have a water conditioner, tell your mom not to ingest any tap water, drinking or cooking with it. Even tho the conditioners go through a backwash and purge at the end of regenerating, traces of salt are left on the resin crystals.

  398. Snoopy – My mother is drinking water out of the well. It’s filtered through a water softener, but she fills up glass containers and it sits in the refrigerator to release any gases. The salt in the softener never touches the water. Is that OK?

  399. Dave~~you have to know the workings of a water conditioner/softener. When the raw water leaves the well, it goes through resin crystal in the conditioner. Resin crystals look like coarse beach sand. Iron from the water sticks to the resin crystals and this is what softens your water by the time you draw it from the tap.

    Okay, now you have resin crystals with a build up of rust all stuck to them… that is when your conditioner takes over during the night, whatever time you have it set to. The brine from the salt tank goes into the tank holding the resin crystals and cleans the rust off during regeneration. At the very end, water will wash the the salt from those crystals BUT all traces of salt are not eliminated. It is good to have the resin crystals replace every 2-3 yrs.

    I hope you can understand this. I have to know how everything works… I have a water conditioner too.

  400. Dave…I didn’t know I had CKD either till I went surfing the web…Checked out webmd and…looked at lab tests values and voila…there we were…I always get copies of my lab and x-ray results to have something to refer to and check out the levels that are not normal…I fall into the class 3 of CKD…which isn’t too bad, but isn’t good if not controlled…Since there are 5 classes, I’m right in the middle…There is a good web site I found……It has info on CKD…and renal and diabetic diet plans that can be individually tailored according to sodium/potassiun/protein restrictions…Checking out the recipes they look pretty tasty…LOL, they even have marinaded entrees…If I can do The Ornish Advantage plan, I surely can do this…The Ornish regimine is to lower or prevent cardiac problems…eventually turning one into a vegetarian…I don’t have any heart problems but I was over weight when I started it…210…and on BP meds…a year later I was down to 165 and off BP meds…I also had decreased my BMI…not to what it should be but significantly lower…I’ve gained weight again …at 182 now and need to try to get down to 135/145 to get to my ideal BMI….

    Hey Snoop…speaking of water filters, I have a Brita pitcher for my drinking h20…is that OK???

  401. My mother is in class 4, and any worse, she’ll have to go on dialysis, which she says she’d rather die instead of that. Getting her BP under control is very important. I am so thankful that, with all the junk I ate in the past, I never added salt. I never used the stuff, and that’s probably why my kidneys are still healthy. Just remember, Estee, you can always come here and talk about this. No one wants to see you slip from class 3 to 4. I don’t know anything about the Ornish diet, but I’ll check it out. You would have loved my marinade. It was low fat, low sodium and low sugar. One thing I would recommend is that you use more herbs and spices in your cooking as you wean yourself off salt. Also, squeezing fresh lemon juice on some of your vegetables can cut down the use of butter. Any reduction in that sort of fat is beneficial. Please remember that I will do my best to answer any questions. I’m very adept at utilizing search engines.

  402. I really do appreciate your feed back Dave…Funny thing about salt…I never have been a big salt adder…I don’t cook with it and usually only use it on sliced tomatoes or fried eggs…Of course that doesn’t mean that I don’t/haven’t eaten/eat foods that contain salt…One can’t get away from it, especially when eating out…No more fast food, unless it’s healthy…I’ve now switched to more fresh/frozen foods and no more convenient TV or prepared dinners…Ornish meals cut the fat and processed foods…add more whole grains and soy (tofu) and vege products…no caffeine…the food was tasty and got me using more herbs..I was in the program when I lived in WV…My medicare advantage plan covered it…They had 2 programs ..a 6 week /once a week program for peeps like me who had no cardiac history and a more strict 4 day a week /all day deal for 6 months…Even with the shorter program they still continued to monitor you for 6 months and then a yearly checkup…It is a lifestyle change, which I wish I had stuck to…I can’t cry over spilled milk but my son’s auto accident, hospitalization and death last year kinda pushed me off the wagon…I had to return to St.Pete and deal with a lot of things…I got over the hard stuff and now it’s time for me to take care of myself….I still have 3 more adult children and a grandson to think about….

  403. Dave, I was wondering if you had knowledge of a good site that has dietary exchanges for a diabetic diet…This restriction stuff is a lot to swallow, but I think I’m doing OK…I haven’t been journaling my consumption but just making a mental note…Will start journal tomorrow…Hope all is well with you and your family and that you’re keeping hydrated in this unbearable heat…God Bless…ST

  404. There are several places to look online, Estee. Try these two first:

    I never write down what I eat. You get used to it after a while. I know that certain foods will raise my sugar and I adjust my medications accordingly. Well, the insulin, anyway.

    I try to stay hydrated. The first thing you should notice if you are dehydrated is yellow urine. The darker, the more dehydrated. My fingers shrivel up, too. I try to drink a lot of water every day. I hope you stay safe, and God Bless You, too. Thank you.

  405. Thank you again for the information you provided…I shall endeavor to read up…Of course how much information I retain is questionable…Thank goodness we have the web and great sites like yours that we can peruse…Have a great evening and Sunday…and thanks for being you…ST

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