Casey Anthony must die!

From the Florida Department of Corrections Web site, here are some fun facts:

The case of Furman vs. Georgia was decided by the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) in June 1972. In that landmark case, the Court held that capital punishment was unconstitutional and struck down state death penalty laws nationwide. As a result, the death sentences of 95 men and one woman on Florida’s Death Row were commuted to life in prison. However, after the Furman decision, the Florida Legislature revised the death penalty statutes in case the Court reinstated capital punishment in the future. In 1976 the Supreme Court overturned its ruling in Furman and upheld the constitutionality of the death penalty in the case of Gregg vs. Georgia. Executions resumed in Florida in 1979 when John Spenkelink became the first Death Row inmate to be executed under the new statutes.

In January 2000, the Florida Legislature passed legislation that allows lethal injection as an alternative method of execution in Florida. Florida administers executions by lethal injection or electric chair at the execution chamber located at Florida State Prison. The three-legged electric chair was constructed from oak by Department of Corrections personnel in 1998 and was installed at Florida State Prison (FSP) in Starke in 1999. The previous chair was made by inmates from oak in 1923 after the Florida Legislature designated electrocution as the official mode of execution. (Prior to that, executions were carried out by counties, usually by hanging.) The apparatus that administers the electric current to the condemned inmate was not changed. It is regularly tested to ensure proper functioning.

Old Sparky - made of oak constructed by inmates

Old Sparky - made of oak constructed by inmates


Gurney used for lethal injection

Gurney used for lethal injections

Since the middle of July of last year, the name Casey Marie Anthony has permeated the airwaves, earwaves and print media of this country and many parts of the civilized world on a daily basis. Every day, something must be reported on the case against Casey, and no one has titillated more than Nancy Grace. All of her loyal followers must be tickled pink since the State Attorney’s Office of Florida announced last week that the prosecution will seek the death penalty against her for the murder of her daughter, Caylee Marie. State Attorney Lawson Lamar’s office said they want to kill Casey because, as the official explanation says, “sufficient aggravating circumstances” have come to light. Please take note that Lamar did not ask for the same thing against George, Cindy and Lee and some of you won’t sleep until the entire family is dead by the wheels of justice. How ironic that nearly 2,000 years ago and for hundreds of years, the idol worshippers of Rome demanded the heads of Christians as they begged for their lives. Now, it is the Christians making the same kinds of demands. There should be no trial. Casey Anthony must die! I am not going to delve into the pros and cons of this sort of punishment and I don’t really want to hear opinions one way or the other. This article is meant to just give you a taste of things to come.

Sentencing Casey to death might be what minions of people from around the globe are hoping for, but Lamar knows it’s no easy task. Here is a case I remember well: On November 25th 1998, police were called to the Central Florida home of Kayla McKean and told that she was missing. They began a search and as the story hit the news, hundreds more people gathered to help. Countless people spent Thanksgiving Day searching and continued through the weekend to no avail. On Monday, November 30, searchers were ready to begin again when Kayla’s father, Richard Adams, came forward and confessed that he had killed her the previous Tuesday in a fit of rage because she had soiled her underpants. In his confession, he told the police where her little battered body was buried. Kayla’s stepmother, Marcie Adams, took police to the Ocala National Forest where Richard buried her. He was immediately arrested on charges of first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, tampering with evidence and medical neglect. Like Casey, he faced the death penalty, but on May 15, 2000, Adams was sentenced to life without parole, plus 28 years. Because of her death, Florida enacted the Kayla McKean Child Protection Act.

Casey’s team will go to trial with a credible cast of legal experts, something Adams did not have. Although you may scoff at Jose Baez’s credentials, he’s got some strong talent behind him, including New York defense attorney Linda Kenney Baden, famed criminologist Dr. Henry Lee, forensic scientist Dr. Larry Kobilinsky and Todd Macaluso, who excels at cross-examining technical experts. This will make the death penalty a tough win for Lamar, and he’s got to be concerned.

Some people feel this is nothing more than an old prosecutor’s trick. Well known law professor Alan Dershowitz, of Harvard Law School, claimed that Texas prosecutors used the same ploy to get a conviction against Andrea Yates, who drowned her 5 children in 2001.

“The prosecutors… never really expected, nor even wanted, the jury to return a death sentence,” Dershowitz wrote. “They manipulated the death sentence processing order to get a pro-prosecution jury, more likely to reject the insanity defense and return a verdict of guilt. This tactic, well known to those who practice criminal law, is becoming more widespread in states which authorize the death penalty.”

In Yates’ case, her conviction was overturned on appeal and she was ruled not guilty by reason of insanity. Because of the nature of choosing juries in death penalty cases, a potent problem exists for the defense. The selection process may give potential jurors an impression of guilt by merely asking for death instead of a lesser penalty. Ultimately, the State Attorney’s Office may be looking for a plea deal now that Casey faces being strapped down on a gurney to one day be fed intravenous shots of killer medications. No doubt, this will be a very long and costly trial since it doesn’t look like Casey is readying herself for some sort of confession. With this in mind, let’s examine how the death penalty works in Florida.

First off, death penalty trials are not cheap. The stakes are much higher because we are talking about taking a life. Because of that, more motions are filed, more interviews are conducted and lots more research is performed. The possibility of execution will prolong and complicate this trial and make it 10 times more expensive for the prosecution and defense than a maximum life in prison sentence.

Capital punishment cases need a very select type of person to sit in the jury box because they must be willing to sentence someone to die. Also, cases like these are two-parted: the guilt/innocence phase and the penalty phase, and that could almost double the length of the trial. Time costs money.

Unlike non-death penalty cases where potential jurors are questioned in groups, these jurors are interviewed individually. Sometimes, a process like this can take weeks. Once a jury is seated, the trial begins with the guilt/innocence phase, and like any other criminal trial, the state presents its case and the defense does its best to poke holes in the evidence presented against their client. After that, the jury decides guilt or innocence and if found guilty, the trial moves into the second stage, the penalty phase.

You’ll notice that in the State Attorney Office’s explanation of why it asked for the death sentence, “sufficient aggravating circumstances” was cited. These aggravating factors, all outlined by law, must outweigh the mitigating circumstances as put forth by the defense. Aggravating factors would include whether the killing was committed in a cold, calculated and premeditated manner. Mitigating circumstances would encompass areas such as whether the defendant acted under duress and why this life should be spared. It becomes a second trial within the trial and it is where the costs really start to add up.

Most of the time, it’s the defense that has to work harder and spend more time working out the reasons to spare their client’s life. To prepare for this phase, they must do extensive research into that person’s background. They must dig up every school record, medical record, where they were born and what doctor delivered them. If mental health issues never factored into the main trial, they will here. Mitigator specialists may be called in. I’ll bet you never even knew this type of career exists. All of this is very time consuming and expenses can soar into the 100s of thousands of dollars for this phase alone, just to pay for experts.

As of today, with the trial set for mid-October and more likely to be a year or two away, it’s impossible to say how much it will cost the state, but the bill will rise tremendously now that it has asked for the death penalty. Prosecutors’ spokesman Randy Means said that death penalty cases are not budgeted separately from other cases, but because they take longer, they cost more. Anywhere from 3 t0 10 times more effort is put into this type of case. If the defense puts many experts on the stand during the penalty phase, the state must counter those arguments.

Many of those aggravators have already been shown during the guilt/innocence phase and the mitigating circumstances will need to be fought again, with new testimony. We, the taxpayers, must fund the state. The money set aside to prosecute cases has already been budgeted and because of this, it takes away from other trials. That means someone else might not be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Keep this in mind as the state readies itself because prosecutors had better be sure they know what they are doing. Before you throw any “Lawson Lamar lament” my way, this is not meant to argue the pros and cons of the death penalty, nor is it to trash Casey for not fessing up. This is just to let you how the process works.

If she is found guilty and sentenced to death, she will go to the Lowell Correctional Institution Annex in Lowell, FL, outside of Ocala in Marion County. Her cell will be 6 x 9 x 9.5 feet high. She will be served meals three times a day, at 5:00 am, from 10:30 am to 11: am and from 4:00 pm to 4:30 pm. All food is prepared by prison staff and transported in insulated carts to the cells. Prior to execution, she will be able to ask for a last meal and the cost to prepare it must cost no more than $40.00 and all ingredients must be purchased locally. As for the final cost of arrest, trial, incarceration, appeals and execution, the price will run into the millions, a lot more than just a life sentence, and in the end, Lawson Lamar knows that a death sentence in Florida may end up being more about dying of old age in a stark jail cell than anything else.

To those of you so hellbent on Casey’s execution, I ask you where you were when Kayla McKean’s father sat on trial, charged with her brutal murder. I ask you where you were when he was sentenced to life instead of death. I guess you didn’t care. Perhaps that’s not it at all. Ten years ago, this precious child, every bit as beautiful and angelic as Caylee Marie, didn’t have Nancy Grace fighting for her. No Geraldo, no cable shows and no public. Who cried for Kayla? Think about it.


238 thoughts on “Casey Anthony must die!

  1. Next to my avatar it says now : CA must die!
    😦 Not nice David.
    This of course will bring pro’s and contra’s here.
    I thought… O well.
    How are you doing?

  2. Gee, Dave, you sound pretty angry in your piece.

    Are you angry because people are “hellbent on Casey’s execution”?

    Are you angry because people weren’t as hellbent in Kayla’s case?

    Are you angry because people aren’t consistent?

    Are you angry because in 10 years the media has hyped up things more, and you wish it could have been that way with Kayla?

    Are you angry with Christians for supporting the DP?

    Are you angry with non-Christians or “other” for their titillated interest?

    Are you angry with the prosecutors because of their evidence or the defense team being so well outfitted?

    Are you angry at Nancy Grace and her followers?

    Are you angry with the costs of trial taking away from other cases?

    Are you angry that people talk about Cindy and George?

    What would make you happy in this case?

  3. Dave – please change the sentence “every bit as beautiful and angelic as CASEY Marie..”

    It’s Caylee Marie. I almost puked. Thank you.

  4. Ah, now, you’re just playing with us, Dave.

    But there were some interesting factoids, there. Kinda cute that the last meal must cost no more than 40$ and may not include imported ingredients. Gives rise to speculation about whether those rules were made in response to some outlandish last-meal requests–or merely the anticipation of such..

    Certainly Casey has already cost the public a lot more than she’s worth. My personal opinion is that there are worse things than death, and a lifer should be offered the choice of volunteering to die, or to remain in prison.

    Not unlike the medical process, the legal process has become very costly, complex, and largely inaccessible to the common man…

  5. I’m not angry at anything, stoppage, and I don’t think I come across as angry. i tried to lay out the facts of capital punishment, that’s all. Nothing in this case makes me happy. If anything angers me, it’s the death of children by anyone’s hands and I question why some are forgotten.

  6. I found that rather interesting, too, Kari, about the $40 limit. I guess if I was asked what I’d want for my last meal and it had to come from nearby, I’d ask for gator tail, wild boar and swamp cabbage.

    I like your life & death option. Take it or leave it.

  7. I never heard of Kayla Mc.kean but if i had i would have been just as much on that babies side as i am Caylee’s and her Dad would have been as populaar with me as Caylee’s Mother (and i use this Mother term loosely), . Guess we needed the NG’S , Geraldo’s , and news media ten years ago, as all that are crying for Caylee and want justice for her would have been crying for Kayla , and we would be out for justice to be done to the piece of crap Father , (use that term father loosely) that poor Kayla got stuck with in life. I don’t see any human parents here, just monsters so whatever their fate is through the justice system they earned it themselves and can only blame themselves. jmo

  8. Dave I agree with you about the death of children, I do not think there should be any excuses. I do not know every child that has been killed but I believe that the cost shouldn’t matter either if states started setting examples maybe it would stop. As you know I didn’t loose one I lost two children I think I am entitled to my opinion I live the pain everyday there should never be an excuse. Even if they don’t get the death penalty it should be life without parole.

  9. When I was 8, I was raped. The men was not hung or killed any other way. I am very happy he wasn’t.
    Revenge is a sore loser.

  10. Dave exellent post, I am still trying to figure your stand on the DP. May I ask how you feel on casey getting the DP. It is a very sensitive subject and I would never even begin to push my opinions and feelings about the DP on anyone. That is something that each person must think about and make up their on mind. I think you know where I stand with it, when Tim was murdered I wanted it more than anything. I have over the years come to peace with the Jury’s decision, but all in all and being as honest as i can be. I would love to see the monster that turned my world upside down and caused me such grief, not to mention robbing my girls of a father. No matter how much it hurt, I still cannot imagine the pain of losing a child or grandchild at the hands of my daughter. I have thought long and hard about Casey and the DP, I have also taken into consideration how G&C feel, and even tried to put myself in their shoes. I have a 23 year old daughter with a 3 year old granddaughter and I cannot begin to fantom the idea of my daughter being put to death, even if she did the things that Casey done. Would I want my daughter to die if she took the life of my grandbaby, I don’t know it would be a very hard decision, but in all honesty I think that regardless of what she done or why she did it, I would not want to see her dead. Would I want her to pay for her actions, yes even though it would break my heart. To me either way this goes no one wins. Caylee lost her life and G&C lost a precious granchild and also lost their daughter. I guess Mother’s would have a different reaction than Father’s not being mean but when you carry a child for 9 months and you take care of her, even with her wrong doings, I still think and I am still doing a lot of soul searching I would not want to see my daughter die. Now with me feeling that way, am I taking away anything from my granddaughter, I don’t know. All I can really say is I hope I never have something this horrible to ever happen in my life. Now with me wanted so badly for the man who took my husbands life to get the DP, does that make me a selfish and uncaring person , I don’t think so.To sum this up when considering the DP there are lots of things you have to take into account. I personally don’t think that Casey will recieve it, I think it was put back on the table to try and get her to confess so they can make a deal….Life without parole. I hope I haven’t offended anyone here……

  11. Ina I am so sorry, if you ever feel the need to talk I am a very good listener, again I am so sorry that had to be awful, and for you to feel the way you do about the man that did that to you, tells me you are a very compassinate person. i SEND A BIG HUG TO YOU…You are a remakable lady and you have enriched my life so very much…I am always here for you…..

  12. Ina in no way do you need to shut up I for one enjoy your comments. You have just as much right to comment on this site as we do.

  13. Nope, Laura, there are never excuses for death by any person’s hands, whether accidental or not. There is a price to pay. The state where I’m originally from, NJ, recently banned the death penalty. That brings the total to 15 states. I guess there are many circumstances involved in deciding whether or not to have a DP or if so, whether or not to charge someone with a capital offense. I imagine it has to do with the population of that state. Look at the old west. People carried guns while in NYC, that sort of thing was outlawed years earlier. People are different everywhere we go and I don’t know if there really is a right or wrong. To lose loved ones can quickly change one’s opinion, too, and having lived through a terrible ordeal, I can understand why you have very mixed feelings.

  14. Just because Kayla did not get justice (IMO, her scum bad dad should have received the death penalty) does not mean every murdered child after that shouldn’t, think about it!

  15. Ina, NO! Do not shut up, we need to hear from those
    who have suffered and been able to rise above, not to
    become a rapist or a killer themselves, not think they would feel superior or more at peace if they could take the life of their offender.

  16. Hi, SONINHEAVEN – Thank you for enjoying my latest post. I guess I would call myself mixed up on the DP. The bulk of me is against it, but I can certainly understand why many people are or it. I have never lived through a murder. None of my family or friends have died by the hands of someone else, murder, drunk driving, or otherwise. I can’t speak for those who have.

    I think my main reason for this post today, while we all wait with anticipation for the trial, was to sit back and reflect on the countless others who died similar deaths and how they sometimes go unnoticed. It goes without saying that Sandra Cantu’s murder has nothing on this one. Why? Is it because Nancy Grace (nothing personal) hasn’t clutched her jaws into it to stir the masses? I don’t know, but something sets this case apart and I think it’s rather unhealthy how some people actually believe they know the family better than the family knows themselves. No one can truly state, with any real authority, that they know for a fact that Cindy helped cover up the murder and until they walk in the same shoes as the Anthonys, they can only guess. That’s why I prefer letting law enforcement and the court system handle this instead of the vigilante public, out to hang them all.

    Don’t worry, you didn’t offend anyone.

  17. OMG! I just wrote a long response to Dave’s post today and it went kaput!! Floating around in cyberspace…..I thought it was pretty good too!!

  18. OK, let me tell it all.
    He was not caught. It happened in Terneuzen, in the harbour area where I was playing on the key(skipping rope). I wore a skirt, I remember, I had stupid pigtails. He had a blue transistor radio and he said it was mine if I went with him. I didn’t want the radio, but I got curious, I wanted to be a detective as I read those books aboiut kids solving crime.
    He pulled me down and kissed first. I said that I was just 8, (I looked a bit older, he might be mistaken.) Then he said, “then so am I.” I realized that was not normal and I tried to get away. But he wouldn’t let me go.

    When he started to be tired, I got away.
    As I ran, and later walked back to the ship, the only thing I could think of was not to upset my mother. What had happened, was my fault, I was convinced.
    And it was true, I was to be blamed at the time, because the ship could be delayed from all this. My mother got very angry. With me. But she is an incest-victim. I only know that since a couple of years.
    My father was mad at me too. For upsetting my mother.
    It was a mess. They only nice person, was a complete stranger, a custom officer. He said I needed a doctor, but they didn’t find it necessary. He did report it to the police, he had seen the man before… I never heard anything about it again. At home, my mother gave me the facts of life. A bit late.
    🙂 I hope it is not to graphic or anything. I am long over it. My parents were not to blame for the way they behaved, they had no idea what to do with it.
    Oops, way too long.

  19. No, nena22303, and that’s not at all what I said in that post. All I said was that other children die that deserve the same respect and remembrance that you are giving Caylee. At the same time, I illustrated how the justice system sometimes works. Just because you condemn Casey to death doesn’t mean you are going to get your wish. Think about that.

  20. Um… Steph? It wan’t in the spam folder, so I don’t know what happened to it. Sometimes, comments show up 15-30 minutes later in spam, but I would recommend that you copy any comments that are long and don’t wish to type again, and paste them in a new comment. I’m sorry about it, but it’s a WordPress thing, not anything I did.

  21. In thinking about this case as compared to similar tragic murder cases, perhaps it is the lack of a confession that keeps us so intrigued. After all, we can weigh the evidence, form our opinions, argue our point of view, act as judge and jury well before the trail even starts. Think about the OJ case. We Americans love this kind of stuff in our own sick way. If Casey confessed what would we have to debate about? A child killer motivates us to find the guilty party however long it takes. If Casey confessed, the wind is taken from our sail and we silently await the sentence phase.

  22. In so many cases, Ina, that was almost the norm back then. No one wanted to believe someone did something like that and it was the girl who lured the man. I’m sorry to hear about that, but I’m sure the guy was eventually caught and imprisoned for trying it again.

    WARNING! Don’t read this if you are very sensitive.
    I remember when my sister’s close friend, Debbie Margolin, was murdered by a guy named Frank Miller who was recently let out of prison for serving his sentence, whatever it was for. We all knew her. This happened in the early 70s. Police found her nipples on the passenger seat of the guy’s car when they caught him. They were bitten off. He will die in prison.

  23. Interesting logic, Steph, and probably close to the truth, but OJ walked, despite what we all really knew, and that was the end of it. He never confessed to the killings and police never looked at anyone else. We had him tried and convicted before his trial took place, too. Yes, we were all glued to our TVs, but the main fascination with that crime was his fame, not so much what he allegedly did. In this case, it’s a combination of Nancy, HLN, Geraldo, and all of the above, too many to mention. It’s got all of the elements of a case that will tingle the senses: a dead little angel. Look, when Scott Peterson was charged with 2 counts of murder, who cared all that much about his unborn son? As much as Caylee? Why not? That’s what I don’t understand. Was it the videos of her singing and playing? Was it the coldness of her mother? Yes, it was everything combined, including Nancy, and everything kind of gelled all at once, melding together a litany of documents and icy reality we think of as implausible. No one acts this way.

  24. Yeah I know OJ was found not guilty, but my point was that with no confession we are drawn to the information we know (via media) to speculate and come to our own conclusion of “who did it” We all love murder mysteries and the Casey Anthony case is the #1 Best Seller out there right now. I agree with you though, it was a combination of it all that drew us in and the craziness of the players that keep us transfixed.

  25. Yup, Steph, and when you think about it, there’s not much of a mystery to this case since almost everyone knows who did it. The mysteries are why and how she did it, and what will be her punishment. I think the anticipation of watching her fry, unfortunately, dominates the minds of way too many people, more than anything else.

  26. Ina, I hope you have not suffered difficult negative memory. You said so much and so kindly understood your parents, “not to blame,” “Just didn’t know what to do with it”! There are many stories never told, and writers insert their thoughts without explanation. Sometimes, to get a point across we have to give some why for our view before understood. You came thru a time in your youth a brave little girl to understanding
    adult. My interest in this Casey case is “WHY” (if she did it) I would love to hear from Casey”s lips herself. (of course, most would say, but is she lying?) Thank you for sharing, there are many incidents and many like you, who keep their hearts strong not wanting to hurt just because they have been hurt. Thank you!

  27. Yep, we all know who did it, but will the jury convict her? There are many skeptics out there who believe that the prosecution is going to have a tough time against Casey’s dream team. And if they convict her are they going to put her to death? Odds are against it.
    I happen to believe that she is guilty, and if found so by the jury, I will support either life in prison or death.

  28. Are you aware that the judge renders the final decision and is not bound by the recommendation of the jury? The jury doesn’t have to be unanimous, either, just a simple majority. Florida is the only state like this.

    When you look at the evidence, it’s almost all circumstantial, from what we, the public, know. But, the jury will see more and it will have a chance to really look at that evidence as a whole picture, not like the snippets we learn from scattered discovery documents. I couldn’t even begin to guess which way it will go.

  29. Dave~~very imformative post. I do not want Casey to get the death penalty. Life without the possibility of parole is more suitable. Some lifers can be rehabilitated to the extent that they can serve their fellow inmates in certain capacities. A few long term inmates turn to religion and can do worthwhile work within the system. The punishment of never being able to leave the confines of those ‘walls’ is, in my opinion, much worse than the chair or lethal injection.

  30. Dave,

    I never said I am not for our judicial system…
    I just don’t like the Heading on this story. YOU
    are trying to be the judge and the jury regarding this case. I am sure that Casey is guilty but I am not understanding why you are so angry that you have to resort to the pictures of how one dies on death row. We all know that. She will pay her dues if and when she is found guilty. Until then I think it’s unfair for you to be the one who
    thinks she should die on death row.

  31. Sorry Dave, I misspoke. If the jury (by a majority) convicts her and recommends the death penalty, odds are against it. You don’t miss anything do you? With the evidence that has been released thus far, most of us have concluded that Casey probably did it, me included. I think we are all anxiously awaiting to hear from the defense at trail. I’m sure it has not gone unnoticed by you that her defense team is not claiming ‘not guilty.’ They all say she is innocent. It will be interesting, that’s for sure!
    detwill39 – I agree, a life behind bars seems like the ultimate punishment to me. Not only does she have to live with herself (although I don’t see the stress of that now) but she is barely in her twenties and should have a long life ahead.

  32. Thank you, detwill39. I’m inclined to agree with you, although I tried to hide some of my opinions when I wrote the post because I know it’s a very personal decision. I agree some lifers can be rehabilitated, but I’ve also heard that old phrase “jailhouse religion” before.

    If someone was attacking my girlfriend and I had one chance to kill him or else he would kill her, I wouldn’t think twice about putting the guy down, but those are different circumstances than killing someone after the fact, and someone I did not know from Adam. I think in order to be for the death penalty, that person must be willing to also pull the switch or it doesn’t work. To me, it’s like someone complaining about cruelty to animals as they bite into their next burger. They must go hand in hand or it seems hypocritical. If for the death penalty, it must be easy to kill another human. Easier said than done, I think.

  33. Quite contrary, magog2. The reason I titled it as such is to make a point about how senseless it is for so many people to feel that way. It’s like titling a movie, “Mars Attacks!” Well, there are no such things as Martians, but there are people who are nuts about killing Casey.

  34. I try not to miss anything, Steph, but at my age, I definitely do. This whole thing must be so surreal to Casey at the moment and I wonder if it will all finally sink in and hit home after she is locked away, whether facing impending death or not. Right now, I absolutely believe she thinks she will walk. That’s why I think she is genuinely insane, not that it will mean anything at trial. She lives in some sort of beguiling fantasy world, where the universe revolves around her. It’s weird.

  35. Dave~~religion did not save Carla Faye Tucker

    Everytime I eat a burger now, I will see a steer being struck on the head with pick axe…thanks alot.

  36. Nor did it help Aileen Wuornos, but I don’t think she was ever religious, anyway, before she died.

    If you can’t eat a burger again, eat chicken. The head tries to cluck for some time after it’s cut off and the body flaps wildly for awhile, splashing bloo… oh, never mind.

  37. Dave~~I can be real hard ya know and could personally castrate a pedofile ….and with a big dull cleaver too… come to think of it…I would crimp them first and make him sit on a hard chair for an hour.

  38. Dave~~you just cut the head off a rooster and I just cleavered a cock….eee ….doodle doo.


    Time for a break….ahem!

  39. lol “my wish”, that’s funny…no my wish is not that Casey Anthony gets the death penalty…mmm if I had a wish I would not waste it on her, thanks for putting words in my mouth, but no thanks…I know that your piece illustrates how the justice system works, but also keep in mind that it does not work the same in every case/scenerio.

  40. I didn’t mean you personally, nena22303, I meant you, as in plural. Of course I understand no case is identical or what I wrote would have made no sense at all. The system in Florida works the same way, that’s all, and doesn’t discriminate based on age, sex and, hopefully, race. My point in the article was one I thought I made clear. It references people who ask for death in selective cases because this one particular case touches their heart. Who qualifies those people as ultimate executioners? No one but themselves. So what if they think everyone agrees with them. I’m telling you they don’t, just like not everyone agrees with me, but it’s not something worth fighting over, like so many people are willing to do for this case. Friendships have been ruined and it shows me more about how thin skinned they can be, not how moral they are.

  41. Dave,
    Detwill must be chasing her headless rooster in her back yard. She is probably trying to reattach the head back onto it. Another Lorena Bobbitt. lol

  42. I know this sounds silly but if you are a soldier at war, any war, any soldier and you kill someone with a weapon is that considered murder? I have often thought about this. Is is premeditated? Or is it considered kill or be killed ? Self defense? Dave help me with this one.

  43. Interesting reading tonight. Thanks everybody. Dave, you could have left out “the head tries to cluck for some time and the body flaps wildly for a while splashing bloo…..” Now I might have nightmares of headless chickens clucking and flapping and bleeding running after me and you and detwill39 in close pursuit with cleavers raised above your heads shouting “One vein at a time, crimp the poor bastard first”, and shrieking “Cock a doodle doo!!” I must say a prayer before I go to bed tonight.

    I know we don’t know each other too well, but I thought I would let you all know that I am having surgery in the morning. A total hip replacement! I won’t tell you how old I am, but I will say that I am wayyyyy to young to face this. Wish me well and I hope to see you all again soon. I’ll be out of work for at least six weeks so you may get sick of seeing me around. Take care everyone and I’ll see you on the bog very soon.

  44. Steph! Thank you for telling us of your operation tomorrow morning. I wish you well and believe me, I will be thinking about you tomorrow and praying. You will be OK. I know a number of people who have gone through the same operation and they come out feeling new. Good luck! Please let us know as soon as you can.

  45. HEY DAVE- love all the animal talk maybe you all should become vegetarians also. Poor animals. I don’t eat, I can’t stand to smell it, my girls eat it though 😦 could be why they like to stay with grandparents once a week. I wish that Casey would come to her senses or get better guidance and just confess. Do you think that will happen?

  46. Hi, Laura, my favorite peach. I think the odds of Casey ever confesses are less than me eating a raw chicken head, and that ain’t ever going to happen. I didn’t know you are a vegetarian. For how long?

  47. Steph~ If they put you to sleep with sodium penathol, watch out! You can do alot of talking under that stuff. Maybe you will start singing Cock a doodle do…any old cock will do…. In all sincerity, all the best and be sure and come back here often.

  48. Magog~~soldiers who kill the enemy in wars are taught to kill ….by a government ….the same government who make the laws.

    Dave can tell you the same thing but he will use big words….I cannot spell big words…tada

  49. Magog2 – In response to your question about using weapons to kill during war, remember, the soldier is following direct orders from superior officers. They must do what they are told to do or suffer the consequences of an opponent not willing to throw down their arms. It’s no different from what police officers do every day. No one sets out to kill that day, but when faced with enemy fire, they do what’s necessary to survive. Just as they don’t set out that day to kill, they don’t set out to die, either, but they realize it is necessary to put their lives on the line for the better good. I would put my life on the line for my loved ones, but I don’t wake up every morning hoping for it. No one does, I hope.

  50. Steph,

    I wish you well with your surgery. I will be looking forward to seeing you back here . You will feel so much better. No more pain.
    Best wishes,

  51. For 20 years. As soon as I left my parents home, they made me eat when I lived in their “house”. My dad still tries to get me to eat it but I think it stinks. I don’t force it on my kids they are hold enough to cook it they choose not to. I think they eat cheeseburgers when they go to my parents house and that’s okay. Please don’t eat raw meat ever you would get really sick, sounds like you are already bumming about your other health stuff it slows you down a lot. Most of my family is diabetic, so I know it can be rough. My mom and 2 of my aunts get social security benefits because of all the problems that comes with it. It can take a while when my mom was finally approved her first check was 79,000. dollars. So if you try to get it just be patient.

  52. Dave~~ A judge can overrule a jury on the sentence. Right? Can he overrule the jury on a verdict? If the answers are both yes, can he overrule both the verdict and sentence in the same trial? What exactly is this Mediator?

    Why should it take as long for the sentencing trial a the first trial? I thought the sentencing just took a short time. Do they use the same jurors for the sentencing as the main trial?

    Take all the time you want to answer …TIA

  53. By the way I am glad to hear I am your favorite peach you are my favorite detective BOO! Detwill is going to get on to me for that she wants me to always have seconds. lmbo

  54. Detwill39 – The judge doesn’t overrule the jury. The final decision lays with the judge. The jury only makes a recommendation to the judge and the judge decides in the end.

    The same jury hears the sentencing phase. What happens is a second trial, with the first one trying to prove innocence. The second one is to plead for mercy and that could entail a whole trainload of testimony from old friends, Sunday School teachers, and just about anyone who will stand up for the convicted. Also, this is where the state of mental health will enter into the fray and it can encompass all sorts of medical testimony. Then, the prosecution comes after it all and does its best to debunk it. Finally, the jury sequesters again and gives it’s recommendation to the judge where, in the end, that person renders the sentence.

  55. I spoke with Social Security today and I have my fingers crossed. I’m only superstitious about one thing and that’s blabbing out something when I’m waiting for an answer. Consequently, I’m afraid if I say anything, I’ll lose. So I won’t say anything. A friend of mine waited for a while and got $14,000+, but I don’t think I’ll have the problems he had. He owned a business and there were questions about his role in it after he retired. My claim is strictly disability related.

  56. Well good luck. If you have any questions I gave you my email address a while back if you don’t have it let me know. I can answer them or get the answers from my mom, I helped her with hers. I will say a prayer to that always helps.

  57. Dave~~don’t babble …the IRS love these blogs.

    Okay here we go…a ‘death penalty” jury brings back a verdict 8 to 4 in favor of…. ‘guilty of murder in the first degree’ Can the presiding judge change this to a lesser charge, possibly manslaughter, when he weighs the decision?

  58. Good Evening Detwill- George, Cindy, Casey now I won’t get in trouble for socializing on here instead of open

  59. Laura~~I am so glad you don’t like meat because it makes me feel so much better…Honey when I get done with Dave, there will be no meat, tendons or tissue ….just bare bones….By the way, do you like bones? Thought you did….

    I am a riot and my name is not Alice…

  60. O my god, you are so funny. Poor Dave two beautiful ladies fussing over him, what will he do? The choices he has to make…..

  61. The IRS isn’t involved in any Social Security decisions, fortunately. Not that I make any money or anything.

    Read it and weep:

    921.141 Sentence of death or life imprisonment for capital felonies; further proceedings to determine sentence.–

    (1) SEPARATE PROCEEDINGS ON ISSUE OF PENALTY.–Upon conviction or adjudication of guilt of a defendant of a capital felony, the court shall conduct a separate sentencing proceeding to determine whether the defendant should be sentenced to death or life imprisonment as authorized by s. 775.082. The proceeding shall be conducted by the trial judge before the trial jury as soon as practicable. If, through impossibility or inability, the trial jury is unable to reconvene for a hearing on the issue of penalty, having determined the guilt of the accused, the trial judge may summon a special juror or jurors as provided in chapter 913 to determine the issue of the imposition of the penalty. If the trial jury has been waived, or if the defendant pleaded guilty, the sentencing proceeding shall be conducted before a jury impaneled for that purpose, unless waived by the defendant. In the proceeding, evidence may be presented as to any matter that the court deems relevant to the nature of the crime and the character of the defendant and shall include matters relating to any of the aggravating or mitigating circumstances enumerated in subsections (5) and (6). Any such evidence which the court deems to have probative value may be received, regardless of its admissibility under the exclusionary rules of evidence, provided the defendant is accorded a fair opportunity to rebut any hearsay statements. However, this subsection shall not be construed to authorize the introduction of any evidence secured in violation of the Constitution of the United States or the Constitution of the State of Florida. The state and the defendant or the defendant’s counsel shall be permitted to present argument for or against sentence of death.

    (2) ADVISORY SENTENCE BY THE JURY.–After hearing all the evidence, the jury shall deliberate and render an advisory sentence to the court, based upon the following matters:

    (a) Whether sufficient aggravating circumstances exist as enumerated in subsection (5);

    (b) Whether sufficient mitigating circumstances exist which outweigh the aggravating circumstances found to exist; and

    (c) Based on these considerations, whether the defendant should be sentenced to life imprisonment or death.

    (3) FINDINGS IN SUPPORT OF SENTENCE OF DEATH.–Notwithstanding the recommendation of a majority of the jury, the court, after weighing the aggravating and mitigating circumstances, shall enter a sentence of life imprisonment or death, but if the court imposes a sentence of death, it shall set forth in writing its findings upon which the sentence of death is based as to the facts:

    (a) That sufficient aggravating circumstances exist as enumerated in subsection (5), and

    (b) That there are insufficient mitigating circumstances to outweigh the aggravating circumstances.

    In each case in which the court imposes the death sentence, the determination of the court shall be supported by specific written findings of fact based upon the circumstances in subsections (5) and (6) and upon the records of the trial and the sentencing proceedings. If the court does not make the findings requiring the death sentence within 30 days after the rendition of the judgment and sentence, the court shall impose sentence of life imprisonment in accordance with s. 775.082.

    (4) REVIEW OF JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE.–The judgment of conviction and sentence of death shall be subject to automatic review by the Supreme Court of Florida and disposition rendered within 2 years after the filing of a notice of appeal. Such review by the Supreme Court shall have priority over all other cases and shall be heard in accordance with rules promulgated by the Supreme Court.

    (5) AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES.–Aggravating circumstances shall be limited to the following:

    1(a) The capital felony was committed by a person previously convicted of a felony and under sentence of imprisonment or placed on community control or on felony probation.

    (b) The defendant was previously convicted of another capital felony or of a felony involving the use or threat of violence to the person.

    (c) The defendant knowingly created a great risk of death to many persons.

    (d) The capital felony was committed while the defendant was engaged, or was an accomplice, in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit, any: robbery; sexual battery; aggravated child abuse; abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult resulting in great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement; arson; burglary; kidnapping; aircraft piracy; or unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb.

    (e) The capital felony was committed for the purpose of avoiding or preventing a lawful arrest or effecting an escape from custody.

    (f) The capital felony was committed for pecuniary gain.

    (g) The capital felony was committed to disrupt or hinder the lawful exercise of any governmental function or the enforcement of laws.

    (h) The capital felony was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel.

    (i) The capital felony was a homicide and was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification.

    (j) The victim of the capital felony was a law enforcement officer engaged in the performance of his or her official duties.

    (k) The victim of the capital felony was an elected or appointed public official engaged in the performance of his or her official duties if the motive for the capital felony was related, in whole or in part, to the victim’s official capacity.

    (l) The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age.

    (m) The victim of the capital felony was particularly vulnerable due to advanced age or disability, or because the defendant stood in a position of familial or custodial authority over the victim.

    (n) The capital felony was committed by a criminal gang member, as defined in s. 874.03.

    (o) The capital felony was committed by a person designated as a sexual predator pursuant to s. 775.21 or a person previously designated as a sexual predator who had the sexual predator designation removed.

    (6) MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES.–Mitigating circumstances shall be the following:

    (a) The defendant has no significant history of prior criminal activity.

    (b) The capital felony was committed while the defendant was under the influence of extreme mental or emotional disturbance.

    (c) The victim was a participant in the defendant’s conduct or consented to the act.

    (d) The defendant was an accomplice in the capital felony committed by another person and his or her participation was relatively minor.

    (e) The defendant acted under extreme duress or under the substantial domination of another person.

    (f) The capacity of the defendant to appreciate the criminality of his or her conduct or to conform his or her conduct to the requirements of law was substantially impaired.

    (g) The age of the defendant at the time of the crime.

    (h) The existence of any other factors in the defendant’s background that would mitigate against imposition of the death penalty.

    (7) VICTIM IMPACT EVIDENCE.–Once the prosecution has provided evidence of the existence of one or more aggravating circumstances as described in subsection (5), the prosecution may introduce, and subsequently argue, victim impact evidence to the jury. Such evidence shall be designed to demonstrate the victim’s uniqueness as an individual human being and the resultant loss to the community’s members by the victim’s death. Characterizations and opinions about the crime, the defendant, and the appropriate sentence shall not be permitted as a part of victim impact evidence.

    (8) APPLICABILITY.–This section does not apply to a person convicted or adjudicated guilty of a capital drug trafficking felony under s. 893.135.

    To read The 2008 Florida Statutes, go HERE.

  62. I should go and put on my red wig…he loves redheads brb almost forgot…I think he has a passion for poodles tho…

  63. Interestingly, detwill39, your avatar remains the same sleuth image when I am here reading comments in the administrator section, no matter which one you choose. On my Dashboard, I see each one differently, like the way you see them in the regular comments sections.

  64. On the Administration page, it is your sleuth one, the one you’ve been using for some time now. On the Dashboard page, which shows me more options than just comments, I see the black one with gold script letters Det + Will. I am guessing that’s what you see on the main page comments section. I never use the main (or front) page to view comments at the bottom of each post. Where I follow them is a page of nothing but comments and the comments can be from any and all posts. That’s why I can answer a comment on Open Forum as quickly as one on a Casey Anthony post, or any other one, for that matter. It makes it a lot easier for me to follow.

  65. Alot of the info you had in your post today, I read a few days ago. I like someone to take the ‘mumbo jumbo’ and explain it to me in laymans terms.

    A college professor does is not qualified to teach an eight grader unless he comes down to their level. Halitosis is really bad breath…if you know what I mean.

  66. That’s exactly what I try to do, detwill39, exactly what lulu just wrote. Thank you, lulu, you took the words right out of my mouth. Or is it fingertips? Please stop by more often.

  67. Good luck Steph! Accept all the pain killers on offer.

    Going back to a point you made, I think it is her failure to confess that makes this so fascinating.
    In other mother murders confession seems to be common.
    Clearly Casey is not a strong willed person. Therefore she must be a sociopath who feels no guilt. I wonder what that feels like.

  68. Okay I follow you now it would be horrible if you didn’t look like you. I wouldn’t like not feeling guilt or feeling bad for doing something wrong. I think that helps you grow as an individual maybe that is why she seems like a child and not a 23 year old. She does not act like most 23 years old with a child.

  69. But there was a major difference, lulu, between Casey and, let’s say Andrea Yates or Susan Smith. The fact that law enforcement found the bodies of their children and determined the cause of death made all the difference in the world when their alibis were blown out of the water, so to speak. Had that not happened, we’d probably never know whether they would have confessed just the same or acted like how Casey does today. Remember, they showed no remorse, especially Susan Smith, until the bodies were found. Who cried in jail when a little body was discovered?

  70. Actually, Laura, Casey doesn’t act like any woman I’ve ever known or dated. She’s too out of touch for me; too distant and seemingly heartless by her actions and appearance, not taking the murder of her daughter into consideration. Add that to the mix and she’s downright inhumane.

  71. Exactly, she sobbed or dropped tears when grand jury indited, but 30 minutes later she is smiling, laughing with le, fixing hair and so on…. I would be crying hard to know le thought or knew my child was dead. Believe me when I found out my twins died 3 minutes apart(the exact time in between births also) it was like someone punched me as hard as they could in my chest. That feeling stayed with me for at least 5 months and then it just started getting a little easier. Except for their birthday.

  72. Laura~~When they showed the video of Casey with Jose Baez right after she was charged with murder 1…Baez says (maybe not his exact words) “you must remember, Casey is dealing with her missing child”…Casey keeps her composure…Baez says, “and Casey is someone’s child”….Casey then sheds tears.

  73. See that’s what I mean it seems to me Caylee did not really exist to Casey. Sad thing is the moron could have grew up with her daughter. As sad as it is Caylee is better off. She will never be disliked by her momma again. jmo

  74. Oh, how sad you must be on your twin’s birthdays. I wish I could do something to help, but all I can do is offer my heart, and hope for a better and happier tomorrow.

  75. Laura~~all of Casey’s friends said that she appeared to be a doting mom. One even said Casey was almost over protective. Cindy and George said that Casey was a good mother…as for Cindy, I’ll take her word like a grain of salt.

    It is possible that Casey was just a good mom when she was in the company of her parents and friends? Casey seemed to be able to adapt to a situation to please the viewer and come across as a loving mother to Caylee.

    I am only going by photos and videos that Casey made of Caylee. I do not see a happy child but instead I see a little girl who is being coached by the photographer. There did not seem to be any talking or interaction between Casey and Caylee. You could hear Caylees voice or the music but not once did Casey speak. Now when Cindy took a couple videos, Cindy spoke to Caylee. In one video, Cindy said, “come on Casey” and right away changed the name to Caylee. Caylee looked happier in the videos with Cindy as is evident in the video when they visited gg/pa at the nursing home.

    IMO, Casey was not a good mother and I hope I am wrong in thinking that Caylee was being abused both mentally and physically by her own mother.

  76. Dave, Boston, detwill39,magog2,Lulu.

    Thank you to all for your kind comments and words of encouragement. I will certainly let you know when I am back at home. I, too, have heard nothing but positive feedback from folks that have either had the surgery or knows someone who did. I guess I’m having some anxious moments, and I pray that when I start to come to, I don’t start blabbing about chickens who cluck when their heads are cut off, or worse Dave & Magog2, ‘ucking! I’m still giggling about that.

    Dave, good luck with your SSI decision. I hope you hear good news very soon. Nite all.

  77. Detwill. I agree. Once I read an interview with Nicole Kidman,who was playing a sociopath in a movie. In one of the first scenes she comes across people involved in a tragic event. She then goes home and practises making emotional faces in the mirror. She can’t feel grief so she mimicks it to get approval. I think that’s the kind of mother Casey was.
    And that’s just it, Dave, confronted with all the inconsistencies in her story she should have confessed. Why hasn’t she? I really don’t care what they do to her(although I’m not a proponent of the death penalty). But I want her to confess.

  78. I like reading your blogs Dave…But really life is simple…… if she is found guilty.You do the crime, then you must do the time……even if it means death…… I am sure the jury will give her the same consideration as she gave her daughter……..and to me…..that sounds fair..

  79. Everyone wants her to confess, lulu, but she won’t. It’s no different from someone who never admits when they’re wrong. We’ve all met a person like that. The big difference is that Casey took it to a much higher level.

  80. Thank you, lynn, and I am very happy you like to read my blog. Personally, I’m not really for the death penalty, but there are times when I question how strong my beliefs are. With Casey, it’s no skin off my back if she is sentenced to life or death. I wonder if people would change their minds a little if she just came out and admitted it and gave a reason. Is it the murder or the fact that her lips are sealed that anger people so? Would we back off if she just showed a human side?

  81. Everyone wants her to confess, but she won’t. It’s no differen from someone who never admits when they’re wrong. HAHAHA, how fitting!!!!
    Good day, fool.

  82. My, my, Renee, you certainly are a strange bird. You attack me over at itsamysterytome and lie about me, then you come over here and insult me more. What is your problem? Do you have some sort of obsession? Have you stopped taking your medications?

  83. Hey Dave, it’s kind of early for spewing insults don’t you think? I did see on Mysteries blog, that you got “attacked” some people just don’t like your logic, oh well we do!

  84. Actually, Dave, Andrea Yates and Susan Smith confessed BEFORE the bodies of their children were found by LE, and it was because of their confessions that LE found the childrens’ bodies.

    Andrea called Houston PD immediately after drowning her children and confessed. When the cops got there, she walked them around the house explaining exactly how she had killed her children (right down to the order in which she had killed them).

    Susan Smith claimed that she was waiting for a red light – with no other cards around – at an intersection on a remote country road when a man ran out of nowhere and took her car while her boys were in the back seat. LE became more and more suspicious of her as they investigated, and they did search the lake where the car was eventually found, but didn’t find anything because they didn’t realize how far out the car had floated before sinking nor did they realize the car had flipped upside down.

    Nine days after Susan reported the carjacking, she was confronted with the fact that the intersection where she claimed to have been waiting at a red light would have been blinking yellow at that time of night unless another car was approching the light from the cross-street. Once she realized her story had collapsed (either the light had not been red or she had not been alone with the carjacker), she broke down and made a full confession that she had drowned her two boys by pushing the car into the lake while they were strapped to their carseats. She took LE to the lake and point out the spot where the car had sunk. It was only then, after her confession, that LE found the boys’ bodies.

  85. Laura, I think it’s odd that those two would just go there to a neutral site and insult me like that. It’s not the first time, either, and I wrote a scathing post about it I’m seriously thinking about publishing in a couple of days. It’s not fair that they insult the host by acting so childish. Come here and speak your mind, I say. Renee stated that I banned her, but here she is today, throwing poop my way. I don’t mind. I think it’s very unfair to Mystery to use her blog as a platform to spread hate.

  86. I know, Ina, but I wanted to keep that information quiet, since you sent it in an e-mail. Yesterday, I left a comment on another blog, a nice blog, and two cockroaches attacked me. That’s what Laura was talking about today.

  87. Thank you for clarifying that, Maura. Yates I wasn’t so sure about, but I thought someone had found tire tracks at the site where Smith drove into the water and that was when the police started looking more into it.

  88. Oh.
    Just delete my comment I suppose 🙂

    Have fun deciding if you are pro legal murder or contra 🙂
    I am going to get Toussaint of the ferry now. It is beautiful here. Not too hot. 🙂

  89. It’s not about arguing the pros and cons of the death penalty, Ina. As far as that comment, no, I’ll leave it because you were the first person to alert me to those scoundrels and I appreciate that.

  90. Dave, you heard that George and Cindy will be interviewed on Oprah during sweeps week? No compensation. Someone on Nancy Grace (God forgive me for watching) suggested they’re doing it to talk up Casey’s good qualities in an attempt to avoid the death penalty.

    If I were Jose Baez I’d tell them to be quiet.

  91. Someone alerted me to the Oprah interview sometime in early May, I believe. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. I heard it was taped just before the death penalty was added and they were aware of it before they sat down with Oprah. That’s going to be a ratings buster, that’s for sure. I’ll even watch it.

  92. I didn’t know it was already taped. Have a nice lunch, Dave. I do wonder if she confronted them or gave them a pass.

  93. Aloha, Dave.

    What’s with this Renee person?

    Why on earth do people have to use blogs as attack weapons?

    I remember when I first responded to your blog.

    I became interested the Anthony case for a variety of reasons and began to read the blogs to get more information and to gauge people’s reactions to the ongoing events.

    Many people responded to the various Casey blogs with a great deal of vulgar profanity and hostility. Your blog was such a breath of fresh air: sincere, engaging, honest, and intelligent.

    Your articles provoke interesting dialogues, and I have come to consider the people who post to your blogs as “digital friends”. I’m even going to hire Maura as my lawyer if I get into trouble, and I dont even know her. What a marvelous mind!

    We can disagree on controversial topics and the antics of the Anthonys and yet help each other clarify facts and events without personal attacks, etc.

    I’m calling up the spirits of Hawaii, so to speak, to strenghten the aloha spirit and help conteract all the negative and anti-aloha types out there in the blogsphere.

    Stay well, Dave. You are doing a marvelous job!

  94. I did have a nice lunch, lulu. Thank you.

    I can only say I heard that the interview took place on the day the death penalty was put back on the table. I can’t say I know that for sure, but most of the commenters here are very reliable and that’s where it came from. I’m pretty sure the air date is sometime in the beginning of the month.

  95. Hello, Ray!

    I don’t know why these people exist sometimes. It’s like they are only there to annoy people, like gnats. I had no problem in the beginning when certain types wanted to trash the Anthonys, but enough is enough. OK, you made your point, why do you keep hammering on it? They took that as meaning I am pro-Anthony. It got old and stale very fast and they just kept repeating the same things over and over. There was no substance. Now, they’ve taken it upon themselves to expand their hatred. I don’t care because by their words, they stoop to subhuman levels. It’s interesting that they have nothing to do in life but condemn everyone around them who doesn’t kiss their stinky bottoms. It’s sad.

    I don’t mind a dialog. We can go back and forth and hammer out views, but those things, they buzz in do some debasing and disappear. Then, they go elsewhere and talk up a storm about what an Anthony lover I am and how I kicked them off my blog, none of which is true. When I started writing about this case, I had no idea what was out there. Eventually, I decided I wanted this to be a respite from insults aimed at the Anthonys. I don’t really care what people think about them, but this was not going to be a place to vent hatred. We have a very nice crowd here, contributors all, and I want it to remain that way.

    Let those people find their home somewhere on the Internet, but they are not going to taint me at all. I am after quality and they are certainly not remotely close. Thank you, Ray.

  96. Hi all,

    I sometimes like to be a little controversial but in this case, I feel that peace is the M.O. for all of us trying to find sense in this senseless death of a beautiful child.

    Dave, your reference to the idol worshipers of Rome brought up a saying that some very wise men in my life have said over and over again. That is that history repeats itself. I’m not sure if there are that many truly upright and just Christians involved in Casey’s case, however, the same is probably true for the Roman era.

    If I recall, those who claimed to be religious or “just” in the Roman era went down hill fast, with orgies and rampant death and partying taking the place of order in their society. This was the beginning of the downfall of that society.

    With those thoughts, beyond the need for a conviction, thus the prosecutes bringing in “death penalty minded jury” I am contemplating a more age old notion. I wonder if this is Irony or coincidence that Casey much like the Godless idol worshipers took the path of party and possibly an orgy type lifestyle, leaving morals at the door and taking her child’s life. So, now, the heinous nature of her mayhem came full circle, bringing in “death penalty” type jurors, who are willing to call it justice to take her life. Very much, history repeating itself and a biblical “eye for an eye”, situation here, in my opinion.

    Its almost saying to society, if you are going to be harsh and gamble with others life, we promise to bring in those who will gamble with your life to judge you.

    Food for thought

  97. That’s an interesting spin, H.H., and one that certainly deserves looking into. One aspect of this crime and how it relates to religion is one that I have mentioned in the past on other posts I’ve written. In my opinion, I think it’s sometimes odd that people put so much belief in a religion and never really understand it to the fullest extent. Take my father, for example; old and set in his ways. He’ll watch the news and some 16 year old died from binge drinking, or a 17 year old crashed into a tree, killing all occupants, teens at the same school. Basically, he says that they were wrong and he questions, practically damns them to an eternity in Hell for what they did to themselves. I find that unbelievable that this just god they pray to has no room for mistakes, that this fair god of theirs looks the other way. My father was young once and almost drank himself to death. Thank God, he never killed anyone on the road. How quickly he forgets his past transgressions and, I’m sorry to say, but each individual has their own interpretation of God and God works through them sometimes to only spread what they believe. People like this tend to warp and mold God in their own image and not the other way around.

    Casey is still young, like most of her friends. Where they seemed to have matured, she never did. They are not at all the most responsible people in the world, but they will not stand behind her in court because they know the difference between right and wrong. That’s something that maturity teaches, too. That’s why I could never throw all the weight George and Cindy’s way. Casey did an excellent job of hiding how emotionally immature she really was and is to this day.

  98. David, I hope you won’t do that blog about people that got your dander up; it isn’t worth it, you will get a lot of more nasty comments here.

    Just heard my cousin, who had recently been diagonozed with heartproblems, died, 54 years old, in his sleep. It is in Belgium, so I don’t think I will go to the funeral, and I haven’t had contact with him in years. It is horrible, people seem to die younger every time 😦

    This is a reason the more for me to say: let those people do what they must, why get the aggrevation… Life is too short to dwell.

    I won’t dwell over your well as well. 🙂

  99. I wrote it and it made me feel better, that’s all. I probably won’t post it.

    I’m sorry to hear about your cousin. My younger brother, in St. Louis, tells me he’s always seeing guys in the obituary about my age. He wonders why. I tell him, just wait, a lot changes when you’re in your 50s. Of course, my era grew up eating junk food and smoking cigarettes. I think we are the first wave of Baby Boomers to feel the impact of all that crap. I’ll be the first to admit I did a lot of it to myself, but when I was younger, I didn’t look at my body as a temple. Now, it is on its way to ruin.

  100. But still a lot of people get to be 100 too. And they didn’t all do it so sensebly either. I don’t know. It must be bad luck too. He never had heartproblems before, I think. He was to see the cardiologist on May 5th, for the first time.

  101. Ina your going to scare Dave to his death, Dave my dad had his first heart attack at 54 he smoked 2 packs of cig’s a day, after that day he quit,,,he now eats right and has had another heart attack cpl years back. Now he is 70 and works in his apple orchard and garden everyday, he says he feels better now than he has in a long time, he to is a you have a long time yet..don’t think those negative thoughts…think positive…

  102. Ina, sorry about your cousin.

    Dave, these nutty people show up on every forum. I find it’s best just to ignore them.
    Casey has done a great job of covering her true personality. That’s why I think she’s a sociopath. She mimicks other people. Underneath all that patina she’s a self-absorbed kid.

  103. A good Christian would never judge…….if there is anything as a good Christian…I still have problems with religion, but I have found peace within myself and pray to whoever listens…people pray to different things..God, Jesus, Buddha, Mary, I think if you can feel comfortable praying and find peace within yourself then that’s what matter’s…you can talk to 5 different preacher’s and at least one will condemn you to hell for something you did or did not do….that is the problem I have with religion we have many people on earth who worship their church or their pastor…so to me religion can be anything that finds you peace….JMO

  104. I wouldn’t attribute it to bad luck. I could win the lottery tomorrow and die of a heart attack the next day. I think I inherited some of the genes my siblings did not. For that, I am thankful, because I wouldn’t wish any of this on anyone. I’m pretty sure my heart problem came from my fathers side because he’s been through the heart problem I am now facing. He was much older than me when it started, though. I got the diabetes from my mother’s side. Now, if you combine the two, I got some bad stuff and the diabetes compounds the heart condition. That’s why I have it worse at this age than my father did.

    I’m sorry about your cousin. It’s too bad he didn’t see the cardiologist a month ago instead. Yes, burn a candle in his memory and honor.

  105. Oh, I think as positively as I can, but it’s like driving an old car. Think positively and maybe it won’t break down. Eventually, it does. Maybe, I went too long without changing the oil.

  106. Dave I am going out on a limb here, but you have already wrote that piece and I say publish it, you are in no way stooping to their level, there comes a time when you have to speak up for yourself, and truth be known from what I have read on their blogs they more than likely wouldn’t be able to comprehend anything you wrote. It would be way upbove their level of thinking, and look at it this way if you can make one person look at this case in a different more positive light then what you wrote, you will have succeeded in what you set out to do…again JMO

  107. You hit it right on the nose, lulu. What those people are too stupid to understand is that every time they trash me at another site, it drives readers over to me to see what’s going on, what it’s all about. Yeah, you and Ina are right. It’s not worth the effort. Thanks.

  108. I think for the most part religions are OK, but so many wars have started in the name of God and country. If God were just God and all Christians think the same way about God, why are there Catholics and Methodists? The list of different Christian based religions can go on and on, and for some odd reason, God is always written about by men, not women. I think if women wrote the Bible, it would be a kinder, gentler world in which we live. How many women leaders can you think of who started a war?

  109. How do we know that ‘GOD’ is not a woman? Some will say because the bible tells us so, then again get 5 people in a room and one bible all 5 will read different things into each scripture,,,,so it goes to say find peace within yourself, do good kindly things, try and not harm anyone and I like to think there is life after this one, where it will be and what it will be like I don’t know…..I do know my heart and I have done things that some would want to hang me for, at the same time I have done good, it’s the good that always gets overlooked. Like the A’sC&G we know they loved that child Caylee and was good to her but to here the public now most want to cast them into hellfire……go figure

  110. Hi everyone~~

    Dave~~the only way you are going to die is when I kill you will kindness. I am glad you had a nice lunch with your buddy, in fact, we have a south wind blowing up this way and I could smell onion, cheese and pumpernickle.

    Now I am off to do some catch up on todays comments…

  111. Dave I was out voted on the article you wrote….that’s ok you do what you feel, if you want to publish it go for it if not at least you feel better by writing it……sometimes just writing your feelings is the best therapy there is……

  112. Without dabbling too much in religion, I ponder why a Holy Spirit would be man or woman. I think I’ll just let it go there because I know how sensitive religion can be to people, and very personal. We all are guilty of someone and I don’t feel I am in a position to condemn anyone.

    There have never been any signs that Caylee was abused by her grandparents, yet all of these self-righteous Anthony bashers know all about them. I don’t understand their logic. They are worse than who they trash.

  113. Hey Dave- I have a question…. You remember how we talked about Jose saying Kiomarie testimony being tainted because she sold her story to the National Enquirer… With the A’s going on these shows can he say the same about them? Could this be an angle they are working? Just wondering……

  114. Lulu~~you wrote last nite….

    Detwill. I agree. Once I read an interview with Nicole Kidman,who was playing a sociopath in a movie. In one of the first scenes she comes across people involved in a tragic event. She then goes home and practises making emotional faces in the mirror. She can’t feel grief so she mimicks it to get approval. I think that’s the kind of mother Casey was.

    This comment of yours really set off a light bulb in my old noggin’….

    Tony Lazarro told LE that he awoke one morning to find Casey sitting up in bed. She was watching video of Caylee, the one taken at the nursing home on June 15th. Tony said that Casey was watching the video and making whimpering noises but there were no tears. I used to think that maybe she was taunting Caylee but now, I wonder if she was trying to force out some emotion as you referred to re the movie and Nicole Kidman…it makes one wonder.

  115. No, Laura, it is not even close to being the same thing because Kiomarie took money. The Anthonys are going on Oprah with a strict stipulation. No money, not one cent. Maybe airfare and hotel, I don’t know, but they’re not getting paid for appearing.

  116. I just heard that Oprah was pulling her show until after the trial, has anyone heard that, or is this old news.

  117. Hey Detwill, another great insight.
    Dave, I hate to say this about female leaders, but Golda Meir and the Yom Kippur war leaps to mind. Of course, she was responding to a threat.

    I think George Anthony is a nice guy. I think Cindy is one of those people who thinks they’re always right. She reminds me of witnesses who obect to the question before their attorneys do. That always made me laugh. I think they’re both in pain though.

  118. I thought about Golda, but overall, if you span the ages, bar none, it’s men who start wars, including the 6 Day War. Male leaders of Syria and Egypt attacked Israel. Israel is the only Middle Eastern country that allows women to run for high office.

    George seems to be a nice guy, but they’ve both been through a lot. What the Anthony bashers don’t think about is how much they do suffer. They will never bounce her on their knee. no more Christmas mornings. Nothing, and I think it’s highly insensitive of people to belittle the way they do. Hey, I’m not asking to love them, just give them the same respect you’d give to other mourners. or at least a little space, for crying out loud.

  119. Dave~~women can start wars. I started one with you didn’t I? Was it a 6-Day war or eight? It did seem like a 100 yr one to me. I threw in my white t-shirt and you threw in your polka dot boxers. I have a little Maple Leaf flag and a Stars and Stripes stuck on the top of my monitor as a reminder. Do you think I am brilliant or demented?

  120. Hal Boedeker of the Orlando Sentinel posted this today:

    “You won’t see George and Cindy Anthony on “The Oprah Winfrey Show.”

    “Based on the Anthonys’ decision to appear on other programs, we have decided not to move forward with their interview on ‘The Oprah Winfrey Show’ at this time,” an Oprah spokesman told me this afternoon.

    The Anthonys will appear on CBS’ “Early Show” tomorrow morning. ”


    It seems Oprah only wanted them if she could get an exclusive. This will be the first George and Cindy interview since Caylee’s remains were ID’d and the SAO announced plans to seek the DP.

  121. Ina: Wow! I have to reach out to you now, even though I’m not half-way done reading all these comments.
    I’m sorry that happened to you. Men can be such animals. Mostly, women don’t have that sex-craziness that some men have…

    I admire-and envy-your good common sense in not harboring anger nor involving yourself in blame-placing. It is not an easy choice, but I’m sure it is the right way, the healthiest and noblest way to be… Too bad your parents did not feel more compassion for you, but–

    But, I have to say something that will upset people. I believe we in the United States have really swung too far the other direction. There was a time when the abuse of children was not talked about, children were once thought to have less feelings, less sensibilities than adults, to be more like animals (which were also thought to have no feelings, dumb brutes).

    It was a good thing to bring these crimes into the light of day, and to recognize that childhood sufferings can sometimes warp a person’s whole life, especially if left untreated, unacknowledged.
    But nowadays, we want to wrap our children in cotton wool and keep them indoors to prevent any risk of mishap. They are not allowed to climb trees, nor to swim in the creek, nor to make mud pies! And should some bad thing happen, so much fuss is made of it, that a level-headed child, such as you were, is not given the chance to remain untouched by the event.

    Instead they are told that they have been injured severely, damaged, perhaps permanently, and will need therapy to recover.

    Indeed, even adults are given the same message in our country. If a tornado falls on your house, if someone does you wrong, if you fall off the sidewalk and break your neck, you have been victimized and probably need therapy and a lawsuit for compensation…

    I liked it better when we expected ourselves to be strong enough to survive, for the most part, any misfortunes that befell us.

  122. Yes, Maura, the Sentinel is stating that. I can understand Oprah’s concern over being usurped by someone else. I guess they are scheduled to appear on CBS tomorrow and Thursday. Will you watch both days?

  123. Okay, I am slowly digesting all commentary…

    Lulu, I liked your remarks concerning Casey best. We are in the same place on this, it is Casey’s apparent sociopathy, her lack of humanity, that interests me. I appreciated your description of Nicole Kidman’s character practicing displaying appropriate emotions in a mirror, and I agree that Casey must be like that…someone who just doesn’t have those emotions and has to pretend, to act them out, for the benefit of others.

    Detwill, I like your idea, too, that maybe Casey was rehearsing her grief, or trying to feel it…
    Murderers can miss their victim, I suppose, and regret their crime. Maybe like you might regret accidentally running over your puppy…

    Ray, always nice to hear from you. You are a Ray of sunshine from the Aloha state. Would you be Dave’s one male fan? Or is Ray also a feminine name? Just curious…

  124. Hi, Kari.

    Thanks for the compliment. You and the rest are the best!
    No, Im not Dave’s one male fan. Ray is short for Rachelle. I guess we are the harem

  125. Ray~~Aloha!

    You are so lucky to be in Hawaii. Which Island are you on? I spent a week on the Island of Maui back in the 70’s. A tropical paradise and none other will compare. We only spent one day in Honolulu, mostly at Wakiki. My hubby did not realize, I was looking in every sugar cane field and red convertible for Tom Sellick.
    Welcome to Dave’s harem!

  126. Ray~~I should have put the 80’s, actually it was November of ’82… I brain is old but the motor turns over now and then..LOL

  127. Kari – excellent statement about parenting has changed, along with responsibility!! I understand your concern that your comment could offend people. But, I agree!!

    Dave, excellent post!! Showing the actual methods of death is effective! I took my kids years back to the Huntsville State Prison Museum (maybe I mentioned this before?) There is nothing like looking at Old Sparky straight in the face, with all the straps and such, and realizing…this is kind of cruel.

    And they had the “last meal” hand written requests from Death Row inmates that died. I remember the last guy to be executed in the old “Old Sparky”, before they retired it. He wanted some mashed potatoes, and gravy, and some other stuff. But his big thing was, all in seperate bowls. No one food touching another food.

    Bonnie and Clyde were featured in the Prison Museum!! They had served some time in Texas.

    It’s chilling to see the way death is executed in person. I would suggest everyone that is gung-ho on wishing that way of death on another human, go see what it’s like.

    This is not about being on the criminal’s side that did not give a crap about their victim.

    This is about being a nice person, that doesn’t have the brain function to think like a killer. And sentencing another human to a death like that. How does that make you better than the killer?!


    I was just impressed that Dave showed the pics. I’ve been there in person. It does make you think differently. 🙂

  128. Sheron, Excellent comment……I wonder if the many who would like Casey executed would be willing to be the one to pull the handle or inject the needle…… Sometimes we want something unappealing done but would have someone else do the job for us. Does that leave us innocent? I have never served on a jury in a criminal case asking for the DP but can imagine it very difficult.

  129. Dave, April 21, 10:23 a.m. I would like to read your
    comment you refer to… if you could, send to my e-mail.

  130. Aloha, Detwill 39

    I live on the Big Island in a moderate size village called Waikoloa. Its stunningly beautiful here. My daughter and her family have lived in Hawaii for about 15 years. After I retired from Binghamton University I retired here to the Big Isalnd.

    I have taken up the hobby of photography and travel around the island trying to capture its essence on camera.

    The climate and beauty here really soothes the soul.

  131. Hi Kari, I think you are right. Overprotection is just as much childabuse as neglect. They now invented kneecaps for crawling toddlers 🙂
    It is difficult to find a balance, I suppose. We want our children to be safe and happy, but also to have the oppertunity to explore life and have a sort of freedom and gaine a sense of responsability. Children have to learn about life, sometimes unfortunately they learn about it the hard way. I think we must keep an eye on all our children, (as a society I wanted to say, but that doesn’t mean big brother is watching you lol)and not see them as our private possesions.

    Thank you for your reaction.
    As for my parents, I think they tried their very best, but with what they had been through in life, (like that generation did) and not knowing how to express their feelings or thoughts, it must have been very hard to deal with things like this.

  132. I finally got my chance to make ‘breaking news’I reported yesterday tat Oprah was pulling her show with the Anthony’s, after that I reprimanded myself, as I thought I was ASSuming. Looks like I was right, although I do agree with Dave, if I were her I would take it and run with it.

  133. I think Casey’s grandparents should get paid for their interviews. I don’t know what other money they’re living on. They could use the money to take a vacation, relocate, and get good therapy.

    From what I read about the Today’s Show, George was asked his reaction to the find of Caylee’s remains. Caylee’s remains?? If they say that just one more time…..!!!!!

    Cindy also stated that they know their daughter could not hurt anyone, but I suppose she’s referring to PHYSICAL

  134. Ray (2009/04/21 at 11:37pm) – I don’t know if it’s just me or not, but by your writing style, I can tell you are not a man. Of course, I can see your name from your e-mail address, but even without it, it shows.

  135. Sheron (2009/04/22 at 1:12am) – Thank you for complimenting the latest post. I know that school children, I don’t know at what age, are sometimes taken on guided tours, field trips, of jails and they are meant to shock them into seeing first hand the harsh realities of how miserable it is to live behind bars. I think an upgrade to a death row block and a stark look at the execution methods would probably benefit first offenders and hopefully, scare them out of a life of crime.

    There was a museum I went to in St. Augustine that displayed the ambulance that took Lee Harvey Oswald to the hospital after he was shot. I think it was called the Museum of the Weird or something like that. Out back was the actual car Bonnie & Clyde were killed in. It closed a couple of years ago and everything was auctioned off and I have no idea where everything went.

  136. Let’s guess which question would be less brutal/blunt:

    “What was your first reaction when Caylee’s skeletal remains were found?


    “What was your initial reaction when you were told little Caylee had been found?”

    You see, it’s really the same question because it clearly implies finding her body. That’s a more delicate way to ask the question.

  137. Stricktly spoken it was not much of a body anymore, but I suppose you are right. Thank you. 🙂
    In Dutch, “stoffelijke resten”, I don’t find it blunt at all, very respectfull. It is a subtlety in language.

  138. Dave, it’s not the same if you add ‘skeletal’ to the question. Just ‘remains’ sounds respectful to me, but whatever their preference is, it can’t really cost us/them anything to defer to the bereaved’s wishes.
    I actually thought ‘Ray’ might be a gay guy, but I wasn’t going to ask that!
    Kind of odd that no men are attracted to your site. Is that because there just aren’t any men interested in online intellectual conversation?

    Or are you one of those ladies’ men who just always do attract a harem of female admirers and somehow that translates online? That would be a curious phenomenon, since one usually associates that type of thing with, say, pheromones, or other physical-affect stuff, that should not be detectable online.

  139. Hi, Kari –

    During George’s deposition, he made it clear to Zenaida attorney Keith Mitnik that he did not appreciate him referring to Caylee’s body as “Caylee’s remains.” He found it to be too disturbing and insensitive. Because he made it loud and clear, I think it is best for any interviewer, especially one the Anthonys agreed to sit down with, to just call her Caylee and go from there. It’s just out of respect. I guess if your father called you a special name when you were young, you probably wouldn’t like to be called that by a stranger.

    There are a few men who pass through here. Take Sean, for instance. I get comments occasionally on other posts I’ve written that don’t pertain to this case at all. As far as this case is concerned, it’s mostly women who are attracted to the subject matter. I have no control over who comes here and leaves comments, nor can I tell whether visitors are male or female unless they leave a comment. Even then, it could be a fictitious name. Bear in mind that a small fraction of visitors actually leave a comment. Perhaps, more women than men are vocal about it.

  140. It was more WHO was asking the question about the stoffelijke resten, than what the wording in the question. George was on edge from the get-go, with the intention before he entered the room, that he was going to fight these lawyers.

    In the TV interview, they needed to come across in a different manner, even if the same questions were asked. Wouldn’t it be interesting if they came out there huffing and puffing about LE?

  141. How do you know really know who I am? I may be a muscular male with a beautiful tanned body and have a passion for bald men.

    Davie~~I would love to give you such a pinch!

  142. True, stoppage, but don’t take me the wrong way here. I am not defending the Anthonys. If I sat in John Morgan’s phony courtroom for a deposition I felt was worthless and full of self-glory, I would have acted the same way. I know John Morgan and regardless of how you personally feel about the Anthonys, it does not give Morgan the right to ask questions like he is trying to solve the murder and make a buck on top of it. He specializes in fighting corporations for the little guy, but that doesn’t mean he’s always right. He treated that deposition like George and Cindy were on trial for the murder. Sure, he had a right to question, but I wouldn’t have walked into his office with a smile on my face, either.

  143. Dave~~do not give away any of my secrets okay. This is the great thing about cyber space.

    I get to flirt with you. ‘It doesn’t matter where you get your appetite, as long as you eat at home.’ That may explain why I am so hungry all the time. Bye…

  144. You’re not getting rid of me that easy hon! I just read your new post and watched part-1 of George and Cindy, also read the comment there.

  145. Article?!! Detwill wrote an article?!! Tell me more. 🙂

    Wow, Dave. You got to see the car Bonnie and Clyde died in?! After being ripped apart by bullets? That’s just, Wow!

    I have had a fascination with Bonnie and Clyde for a long time. OK, maybe it’s a fascination with Warren Beatty – but whatever! Bonnie and Clyde is one of my favorite all time movies. I have made all my kids watch it.

    I do that with my kids. If I love a movie from my youth, I will order the DVD online, and dang it, kids, you have to watch it with me!!! LOL I’ll make the popcorn.

    My kids love the difference between Faye as Bonnie and Faye as Joan Crawford!! Discussion lasted for hours!

    Favorite quote from Mommie Dearest that my kids love to say, “I AM NOT A FAN!”

    We all crack up laughing everytime.

  146. Dave, I am perfectly willing to believe that women are just generally more vocal than men, and especially when it isn’t vocal, but written/typed communication. But I don’t have enough blogging experience to know if it’s true in general. Are the preponderance of bloggers/commenters female? Or is it just you?

    Have you always been a ladies’ man? It intrigues me that there are several different kinds of ladies’ men. There are gay guys who are ladies’ men, because they love and admire women and would like to be a woman. There are sexual predators who are ladies’ men, because they prey upon them, are always looking for their next conquest, etc. Then there are hetero guys who just love women, enjoy their company, would rather be friends with women than men, etc. I’d say you are one of the latter.
    When you say you have no control over who visits your blog and comments, I think you doth protest too much. I don’t picture you as averse to enjoying all this feminine attention.

    I’m not belittling you, or your adoring fans (I am one myself, maybe more respectful than adoring), I’m just curious.

  147. Kari – Rest assured, I am a heterosexual male. Of course, I love women, but I have no weird obsessions or anything. Besides, I’m old and kinda sickly now.

    I can’t help it that mostly women are fascinated with this case. My male friends don’t really care. Consequently, I get a lot more women here than men. I’m a very friendly type of guy. I respond to comments. Women flirt. I flirt back. There’s that invisible Internet wall that separates us all, so it’s safe to come in here and have fun. We chat about the case and on occasion, drift to other topics, including fun. When I stated I have no control who visits my blog and comments, I was, in no way, protesting or complaining. I think it’s great that this has developed into a small community of friendly people. If we one day walk away, we are taking others with us. Friendships have been forged, and that’s a wonderful thing.

  148. Kari~~Dave and I know a bit about each other in the real world. I love to tease him and so do alot of other women in here. I feel comfortable teasing Dave as it is all in fun and we both are well aware of that. I can assure you that he is a true gentleman in every sense of the word.

    My very best friend and confidant was a male. We shared things that we did not even tell our spouses. I felt that anything I told him would never be broadcast and, am sorry to say, I would never had put that same complete trust in a female counterpart. At present, my married daughter’s best friend is a gay man. Sadly, I lost my best friend to cancer.

    I am not sure how many male commenters we have at WordPress but we have 3 Johns, Kreuzer, John from Florida and another young man who writes real good blogs, we have Dennis . I know they are all men for sure.

  149. Detwill, this is rapidly deteriorating into an ‘open forum’ kind of discussion, but I’m way behind on open forum comments, have to do some serious reading to catch up.
    I don’t mind you-all flirting, have fun! I don’t presently have a gay friend in my life, but I am kind of a fairy princess, I prefer the company of gay men over anyone else…
    I have never been good at female friendships, currently my close friends consist of two ex-husbands, and my boyfriend of 5 years. And my family, my great blessing, I still have my parents and live very near them, and my son still lives with me…
    I am aware of the gentlemen bloggers you mentioned, do you know for sure if Humble Opinion is a man? Or maybe a husband-and-wife team? It’s just really trivial curiosity, nothing more. At one point I thought you were a man because you are very direct and have strong opinions. I changed my mind after noticing your somewhat fluctuating temperament. Men, if they take a strong stand on something, rarely budge from that spot, not even to be reasonably open-minded.

  150. Kari~~Humble mentioned her husband. I am unsure if he blogs as well. It was comical when folks thought I was a man and telling everyone I loved Leonard Padilla. You are very observant as I do have a fluctuating temperment. I find Dave’s blog the most sensible. When I first started blogging , it was almost totally at Humbles and it was a great place. I think a younger crowd started to infiltrate and most comments were just one liners. My eyes or brain could not keep up so I thanked Humble and departed. Alot of folks know that Dave and I really hooked horns. Actually, it probably did us both the world of good to clear the air……until our next battle. LOL

  151. This is weird: I thought perhaps I would find an ‘ism’ to go along with how I feel about matters of punishment and such, and I tried googling Buddhism and found this:

    “As far as punishment in this world is concerned, Buddhism has strong views:

    * inhumane treatment of an offender does not solve their misdeeds or those of humanity in general – the best approach to an offender is reformatory rather than punitive
    * punishment should only be to the extent to which the offender needs to make amends, and his rehabilitation into society should be of paramount importance
    * punishing an offender with excessive cruelty will injure not just the offender’s mind, but also the mind of the person doing the punishing
    * it is impossible to administer severe punishment with composure and compassion
    * if the crime is particularly serious,’ ( I think such as childmolesting, psychokiller etc., Ina)’ the person may be banished from the community or country.” which would in these days mean put away somwehere safe.

    Am I a Buddhist?? Is that good for my figure??

  152. Hmm… If the crime is particularly serious, the person may be banished from the community or country? Great! I vote to send them to Terschelleng! Teach them how to speak Schylge. Make them clean portable toilets during Oerol Festival.

  153. It is an old idea, in those days it could be done to ban people. Nowadays it would mean an institution I suppose. Are you angry or something?
    You know some stuff about Terschelling, wikp. I think. Oeol festival is really nice if you like street theater, experimental theatre and such. (I don’t anymore lol, seen too much of the stuff.)

  154. Marvelous, Ina! Yayyy for Buddhists! We can all be Buddhists if we want, because it is not a religion but a philosophy, because Buddha never claimed to be divine. Immortal, yes, divine, no. Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama Buddha, the original, was of the Hindu faith and discussed some Hindu Gods in his teachings. Just as Jesus was a Jew and did instruct people to obey the Jewish laws and pay their tithes to the temple.
    Another interesting attitude to punishment can be found among the Navajo people. I am no expert, the bulk of my knowledge comes from reading Tony Hillerman (an excellent read). But I understand that the Navajo people have no word for ‘lie’ and regard criminals as insane. They say, “He acted like he had no family” which is nearly unthinkable in their culture. And they hold a healing ‘sing’ for the criminal, surrounding him with his family and friends who encourage him to come back to ‘hoserau’ (not sure of spelling) which means harmony with nature, and life. To be in hoserau is to walk in beauty.
    Makes you long to be Navajo, doesn’t it?

  155. Ooops. For anyone who doesn’t know, Trensota is Kari, if I am signed in. There was another Kari here before me sometime, or still is, that’s why.

  156. trensota/ Kari thank you! I want to be a Navajo in hoserau then, but I am a bit too attached to my laptop and such to do it properly I am afraid.

  157. Oerol, not Oeol. I’ll remember that next time I plan a trip.

    One can wax poetic, lyrical, eloquent, philosophical, etc. It’s all pretty much the same thing. But finding the origins of this phrase is a bit tricky.

    One sense of wax (as an intransitive verb) is to pass into a mood or state.

    In this sense one could understand the phrase wax poetic (or sarcastic, or whatever) and this would certainly lead one to doubt whether this phrase is an idiom because it can be taken literally.

    The Canadian Oxford Dictionary suggests that wax (in this sense) has a Germanic origin: wachsen (to grow). The interesting thing about this relationship is that wachsen never has an attribute, i.e. neither wax poetic nor grow old translate.

    The Encarta online dictionary’s suggestion is that this sense of wax is from Old English weaxan, and ultimately from an Indo-European base meaning to increase, which is also the ancestor of English “augment” and “eke.”

    The American Heritage Dictionary agrees, adding that this word is an offshoot of the Indo-European Language family’s root fragment “aug”, from whence we get words like augment, inaugurate, auxilliary, august, and auction.

  158. No, you typed Oerol well, it was my typo that I corrected. But since you can ‘t see the old comment from where you are, you would not know.

    Oh now I see what wax poetry is. Well, it was literally. It was no wax poetry. (‘wassen’ in Dutch means growing also, as for water rising, and for the moon getting bigger)

    And of course it meant the soul, not the outside. 🙂

  159. Save FL taxpayers the money Casey & confess you stupid little baby killing beooch. It’s no ones fault but Casey’s we know she’s guilty, she knows we know she’s guilty but she’ll go to her grave saying she’s innocent. I hope she gets the lethal injection no matter how long it takes or the money, it’s really all up to her.

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