OPEN FORUM – Part Six «

laura // May 28, 2009 at 6:38 pm

God night Ina. Dave did Casey ever take lie detector before she met with Jose?

laura // May 28, 2009 at 6:39 pm

that should have said Good, sorry my o’s are driving me nuts!!!!!

magog2 // May 28, 2009 at 6:40 pm

I have watched Jesse Grund many times on tv. There is something just not right when he talks about little Caylee. He seems so phony when he looks like he’s crying about Cayee’s death. JMO

detwill39 // May 28, 2009 at 6:46 pm

Newbie~~I think lulu felt the judge would not release the video of Casey’s reaction to the public but it could be admitted during the criminal trial….HEY LULU, did I hear you right??

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 7:06 pm

Thank you detwill.

detwill39 // May 28, 2009 at 7:14 pm

laura~~if Casey had taken a polygraph, the machine would have blown up. LOL You are not compelled to take the poly and it is not admissable in court. It is just a good method for LE to eliminate some suspects and look elsewhere.

Weezie // May 28, 2009 at 7:24 pm

Jesse Grund, the latest on that is this: Casey arrived at his home and asked if she could take a shower at his place. He commented to the interviewer that she did not look like she needed a shower, but he let her in and she did shower, he thinks. But in reality, she might have been trying to get his DNA or some kind of item to put in the car, to put him as the culprit. You need to go to their website to read about that aspect, but his father was very upset with Jesse for letting her in, after everything had gone down. But the weird thing is that she was talking to him on the 15th of July, so what is up with their relationship that is not out in the open. Looks like Jesse needs a lawyer and by all accounts has one.

laura // May 28, 2009 at 7:29 pm

Thanks Weezie and Detwill for all that information. I guess I just didn’t realize he was a “suspect.” I wasn’t sure if Casey took it or not, I figured she wouldn’t be that crazy to take one as I am sure you are right it would have blown up!

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 7:49 pm

Okay guys, this is total off subject but is Open Forum so…..

I do not speak of my condition. Right, wrong or indifferent, fair or not, I do not allow my children or grandchildren to question me past “is IT barking at you today.” Putting these links here is a big step for me. I thought I would try to answer questions if you have any. My main purpose of “coming out of the closet” on this is to make you aware of Rsds as it can happen to anyone. Also, my time on Dave’s blog is going to me limited. Threw commenting here I believe I have learned enough “control” of my words that while I will not verbally discuss this IT, I intend on being a mentor through an established program.

Okay, I fell in July 1994 breaking my knee cap. I had always thought I had a high threshhold with pain but had never broken a bone. The pain was unbearable …..it continued after surgery and the first time they started to get me out of bed I actually screamed. The nurses brought in a doctor who said I must be brave and get into the wheel chair……now, I might be getting a thorse or two in front of the cart as I try to not remember tch?v=CNX33BOpWBA

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 7:52 pm

THAT WAS NOT TO BE SUBMITTED YET. WELL, GUESS THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG WITHOUT AN EXPLANATION….

I am going to post the links I erased by accident and just leave it there.

@#&@# dang it

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 7:58 pm

I found this in December of 2008. It is a good presentation but really kind of a piece of fluff compared to the “worst of it”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo-xQLigqDo

You can click on the little square and it will enlarge.

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Aaw CHIT. Dave can you just put in the link, please. I have a second one to submit which I will do once this is just a “link”

Marinade Dave // May 28, 2009 at 8:08 pm

Jesse has a lawyer and he was in court today defending his client’s cell phone records. Gee, are any people out there STILL wondering why innocent people need lawyers? I must have heard “If you didn’t do anything wrong, you never need a lawyer” a thousand times.

detwill39 // May 28, 2009 at 8:17 pm

Newbie~~I just did a quick search to educate myself to Rsds. I remember one night in here you mentioned your foot was burning. Are you on medications for the pain?

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 8:25 pm

Basically no by my own choice. I have been given the option of morphine pump, another item placed by the spine name of which I can’t come up with as I am trying to think of it…grrr……or strong opium based meds, and fentanel (sp) from one doctor….ha! I do radial frequency lesioning treatments about ever four months…..basically a procedure which they go to the nerves in the spine and “burn” them so they do not transfer signals as much. I am not going to proof this as I sit here in my frustration with the computer and me……been trying to hook a few things up and then cannot just simply send something. I need to pout for a minute.

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 8:29 pm

The only reason I posted this was to inform….I went three years without being diagnosed and then it was an attorney who had just left an rsds case that became suspect of my condition.

I am going to go take a shower.

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 8:30 pm

Oh, if diagnosed early, chances of remission are much greater.

laura // May 28, 2009 at 8:35 pm

Dave- I had an attorney after I was in the car accident. I think it is always a wise idea. Jesse needed one, if nothing else to help out with the phone records.

Marinade Dave // May 28, 2009 at 8:36 pm

Laura – You must remember all those comments questioning why anyone needed a lawyer. I don’t know how many times I had to explain it.

detwill39 // May 28, 2009 at 8:39 pm

Newbie~~my darn puter froze so couldn’t get back with a reply. I am going to try and learn more about your condition. I know alot of folks who deal with fibromyelgia but not with the rsds. It is so difficult having a condition and the doctors are not familar with it. That was the case of my youngest daughter and Essential Thrombocytosis (ET) a very rare blood disorder. I was lucky to find a support group online which helped so much.

laura // May 28, 2009 at 8:40 pm

I also think the dates for the phone records should only cover June 16th til December 1,2008. That would cover the whole time Caylee was “missing.” I also think it should be some what limited to calls to any phone numbers between the key players. Not between Amy and the pizza guy or Jessie and his father. Not every call is what I mean.

laura // May 28, 2009 at 8:40 pm

sorry 12-11-08

laura // May 28, 2009 at 8:45 pm

Oh I got you Dave. I thought you meant you didn’t think he needed one unless he did something illegal. My fault I misunderstood. I think some people just assume your guilty if you hire attorney, but unless you are familiar with every law it is in your best interest to hire an attorney. jmo of course.

Weezie // May 28, 2009 at 8:55 pm

Newbie; I am very sorry to hear that your health is limited by your situation. I do not know what it is but now I will do my research on it. You have never complained for one moment on this site. Now you have come clean and that is a step in the right direction. Believe me, it always helps to have a few friends that can write to you and support your life’s struggles. I know what I am talking about. I wish that you didn’t have this trial before you, but as life has a plan for everyone, you must bear the brunt of being like a pioneer on the quest for a cure. You have been chosen for a reason, for which you don’t know why or how or because. It is with lifes’ wonder that we still endure, going that extra mile to stay that little bit longer, for the love of life.

laura // May 28, 2009 at 9:02 pm

Newbie I will pray for you. I guess most of us did not know you was ill, what a trooper you are. If you are having a bad day feel free to come on here and vent we are all friends here so if you need to talk we are here for you. I know you all must be shocked but yes I am a Catholic and I do pray. It may shock you because how strongly I dislike Casey. I have a deep belief children are to be loved and respected and safe from harm and I try not to judge but a baby-killer makes it hard to turn he other cheek.

Marinade Dave // May 28, 2009 at 9:05 pm

I think Newbie should know that we all love her dearly. And that’s a fact.

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 9:10 pm

detwill, I had gone to the shower and gotten something to eat so didn’t even know you hadn’t responded. lol In your “sleuthing” go to youtube and put in rsds…..there is a clip on Weiss part one and part two….I think her first name is Elizabeth….her husband has her get up and walk to the kitchen after he has filmed her legs while she is lying down…..this gal aint going to make it….no matter how difficult the pain, you don’t use the limb, rsd is going to set into paths and it can travel faster. Oh, I can shower as mine is basically my left leg and foot….some in the back where the needles travel but not bad. I also did not/do not have cracking toe nails, extremely swollen foot and some other things but it really doesn’t matter…..I would answer any questions you have……who knows, you might find something you quiz me about that I haven’t found. The rsds is so different in each individual and I must say, from some of the “clips” on youtube, I myself question a lot that is presented. lol

Marinade Dave // May 28, 2009 at 9:14 pm

Newbie – You gave me an idea about something. Perhaps I should start a new page about health issues, where all comments would be restricted to just that. Problems, possible solutions and places to go look for information and help. What do you think?

laura // May 28, 2009 at 9:18 pm

Dave I know you was talking to newbie but I like that idea. Sorry I was budding in.

detwill39 // May 28, 2009 at 9:30 pm

Dave~~the health topic would be great. You never know who may come out of the closet when the time is right. One thing is for sure, we never really know who sits in front of the monitor and what they are dealing with.

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 9:30 pm

Weezie. you brought me to tears. One of my “survival” thoughts has been that there is a reason for this. My husband and I use to joke about it giving me a reason to leave an absolutely fabulous job so I could see the grand babies more. lol Yes, I see many things in my life that are good and could not have been if I were working. Still, it has been kind of a high price to pay. lol My sister and I joke about it being God’s way of “sittin” me down. Without humor, I could not survive. I think it was such a battle to not be in a wheelchair, I closed all my family out as sympathy would take away my “fight”. Hard to explain. Now I am just thankful for the treatments which I started in 2000 I think, maybe 2003..it also affects memory……lol I am blessed to not have cancer etc.

Again, I just want people to be aware of this chit……1994 is when it started and I was not diagnosed until 1997 leaving me third stage and no remission. Boy, I could tell you some tales about doctors during that period. lol

Thank you again for your thoughts.

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 9:34 pm

Laura, I certainly appreciate your comments and your feelings regarding children. I believe in turning the other cheek……yet it is not the cheek the Bible means. lol

Marinade Dave // May 28, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Maybe I could call it something like HealthSpeak.

laura // May 28, 2009 at 9:40 pm

I understand Newbie and I completely understand. I was trying to make light of it so Dave wouldn’t lecture me about hate and God etc…. lol

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 9:40 pm

Dave, you sure are a sweetie ……I would pinch your little face cheeks if I were close.
I think your idea is great. I noted detwill’s daughter had an uncommon medical problem also. It could be a very good thing. If only one person is helped, it sure would be worth it !!!!!
I see where Laura has seconded the motion already. We are smart women……lol

laura // May 28, 2009 at 9:41 pm

Or under the weather chit chat.

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 9:44 pm

hmmmm, HealthSpeak….all that pops in my head is HealthFreak….

detwill39 // May 28, 2009 at 9:45 pm

Newbie~~I understand every word you wrote and one of these days, I will tell you a story.
I can also understand the ’sympathy’ taking away the fight. Wheelchair, crutches, walkers or canes, all aid to make it easier to survive. Even my trifocals which keep slipping down my nose…I just gave you the ‘bird’ and you didn’t even know… I should have used my pinkie to push them up but needed it for the letter ‘p’…

I will do my best to supply you with humor, in fact, I will tickle myself before I click on the blog. With my luck, I will get stuck in a pretzel position and laugh myself to death.

Weezie // May 28, 2009 at 9:48 pm

Newbie; thank you for your compliment. If you could answer, are you in a wheelchair or can you still get around without? Either way, you are strong and can endure. I took a peak at a site on rsds and looked at a bunch of photos. Sometimes I wonder if I am in that category. I do have problems sleeping, and yes some of my joints feel on fire, but of course it could just be my arthritis or something else perhaps. We will see in due course.
I hope you have great doctors on your side, and that the medical community is working hard to come up with some better answers on curing this debilitating disease.

laura // May 28, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Detwill, I am laughing and I am not under the weather but my side hurts from laughing. You giving people the bird and then in a pretzel position that is funny. But don’t laugh your self to death I would MISS YOU!!!

detwill39 // May 28, 2009 at 9:58 pm

laura~~can you picture a fat pretzel? Or a pretzel with a big ‘t’ …tush that is. When you get old, gravity takes care of all the body parts and things just settle down and down and down…

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 10:01 pm

I do love stories so will patiently wait, detwill Your humor is great. Somehow I think I am enjoying the thought of you in a pretzel position way too much. You are such a trip..lol
I don’t use any “assisting” aides as I will/would have more muscle waste, etc. Besides, I would hurt myself I am sure….I do have a staff that I had to use to do my flowers. I needed it to point out to my helper where the next flower went. lol
When I am walking and the pain gets to whee I am going to pass out, I just sit down….doesn’t matter where I am. Of course there are only a few of my children who want to go shopping with me !!!

laura // May 28, 2009 at 10:04 pm

That happens after 4 children that is why I stared running but I am guessing in another 15-20 years I won’t be able to do that. The twins was the worst, I gained 38 pounds could not see my feet and I had them three weeks early. My whole body frowned after them. But gosh I love my kids and they better remember what they did to my body when I get old. If they put me in a home I will scream!!!!

laura // May 28, 2009 at 10:08 pm

Newbie don’t feel bad my kids don’t like to shop with me either. I don’t have health problems yet, I am still a little on the young side. Detwill you need o change your gravatar to a pretzel. A red headed pretzel, that way you don’t have to run and get your red wig while talking to Dave. lol

Marinade Dave // May 28, 2009 at 10:11 pm

Newbie, HealthSpeak sounds to me like a place for people to talk about health issues.

Newbie // May 28, 2009 at 10:23 pm

What about SpeakHealth? Doesn’t matter as you are the one with the experience…..

Marinade Dave // May 28, 2009 at 10:39 pm

Personally, Newbie, I prefer HealthSpeak, but at the moment, I’m just sending feelers out to see if I should consider doing it or not.

detwill39 // May 28, 2009 at 11:06 pm

Pain Pills and Pretzels…. That would be right up my alley…just like the old days. We can have the pain, push the pills and eat pretzels. You’ll never believe how making jest of our afflictions can really help us to deal. Some of us cannot change our bodies, but we can change how we view our bodies.

Coreysmom // May 28, 2009 at 11:10 pm

Oh, Newbie, you have my prayers!

Dave, have you googled HealthSpeak?
You might want it to be SpeakHealth!

Nevertheless, I think it is a great idea!

detwill39 // May 28, 2009 at 11:20 pm

I can be a Pain in the ass, be a pill or eat a pretzel. Of course, I have to have my dentures in to eat the pretzel.

Dave~~if you do make a special blog, I will think long and hard about coming out of the closet.. I’ll just do an edit on that ‘you know what’ to hide my identity and try and condense it somewhat.

So is Detwill really a man? Is he/she an imposter? Could she/he be a celebrity? Is she really Dave’s wife and he has her locked in the closet? Could she be Dr Ruthie or Judge Judy? Maybe Elvis? Detective Wilheimer?

Stay tuned….life may never be the same again, once you know.

SONINHEAVEN // May 29, 2009 at 8:25 am

Dave, I think we made a bet a while back….remember? Susan Boyles, it comes down to tomorrow night…..I will watch, did we decide our bet? I don’t think so…….Are we still on? Sorry for being rude, I never said Good Morning………Be back with you later, think about the bet……….

Newbie // May 29, 2009 at 9:20 am

Morning all.

Detwill, you are such a tease !! First a story you will tell later, then a Who am I…..lol

Dave, if you start HealthSpeak, do you add it to the posts and you, yourself get involved? If so, let us not bite off more than we can chew……and yes, I know you are a big boy and I’m not your momma.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 10:05 am

Good morning, SONINHEAVEN! You aren’t rude for not saying good morning first. I don’t remember making a bet, but I will try to find our comments about it. Chalk that up to advancing age, I guess. No doubt, though, whatever the outcome tomorrow night, Susan Boyle has made an impact on the world. She’ll never have to worry about putting food on her table again, win or lose.

I’ll go look.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 10:09 am

Good morning, Newbie – No, I wouldn’t write posts for it. The page would be very similar to the Open Forum. All I would do is write an intro about the purpose for it and let everyone discuss health issues, including putting up links to sites that describe illnesses and/or offer treatments. It wouldn’t be limited to that. Anyone could write personal testimonies or anything at all as long as it stayed on the topic of health. Everyone could write what they want and discuss it with everyone else. What do you think?

Newbie // May 29, 2009 at 10:12 am

Morning SIH. Where do you find the contest that you are watching with Susan Boyles?

DAVE, you go to SS today?

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 10:26 am

No, Newbie, I have an appointment to see one of their doctors on Monday afternoon. The doctor is actually a regular, practicing physician. SS works through the Florida Department of Health. The FDH has many doctors throughout the state that it utilizes for this purpose. The doctor will examine me and run tests, if necessary. In the end, he submits a bill to the state and the state submits it to SS for payment. I say “he” because this doctor is a male.

Newbie // May 29, 2009 at 10:36 am

Sorry …female would have given you some laughs perhaps. Hope things go your way ….they should.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 10:37 am

SS doctors. Hm. Whatch out then
Goedenmorgen.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 10:40 am

Funny, but not that kind of doctor. I hope.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 10:43 am

No. Are you busy?

Newbie // May 29, 2009 at 10:44 am

Have fun, you all. I’m off to see the “wizard” again.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 10:47 am

Good luck Newbie!

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 1:28 pm

SIH and Dave~~maybe you should not place your bets too high for Susan Boyle. She has temper tantrums….read this

http://www.thecelebritycafe.com/features/28102.html

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Yes, detwill39 – I saw that on the news this morning. I think it’s tough to be a frump one day and a superstar the next. That’s a mighty quick adjustment.

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 1:49 pm

Dave~~LOL I am a frump everyday. It is rumored that the pressure is getting to Susan and there is a chance she may even pull out before the finale.

Are you going to set up a health blog?

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 1:59 pm

Not a health blog, but a health page simialr in style to Open Forum. What do you think? Should I?

Weezie // May 29, 2009 at 2:04 pm

Wonderful idea Dave.

How about Health Forum. That’s simple and pretty much covers it all.

Seems like m0st of us have health issues that we can share or expound upon other areas that we have heard new news on. Eg. We just heard on our National News about a new breast cancer drug that has been approved by Canada (it is in the states -relatively new), for advanced HR2 breast cancer patients. That’s news.

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Dave~~go for it…. you may be surprised, we may go down in the annals for finding a cure for something….maybe my insanity.

Weezie // May 29, 2009 at 2:20 pm

Dave; Thanks for your support and yes I will never forget the day. Boss had another creep stand at my desk while I emptied my stuff…. It couldn’t have been worse, as I held back my tears of anger and frustration and embarassment. I never returned to work for anyone after that. I worked for my husband’s company (from home), and vowed that noone would ever do that to me again. So far I’m winning that race.

Weezie // May 29, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Dave, does that mean you are approved for the assistance, or is he, the SS, the judge of your tests whether you are approved?

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 2:28 pm

Then I will get crackin’, Weezie. I’m trying to think of an unused name for it, but that might be tough.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 2:40 pm

I think you better not do a health blog. There are already hundreds of them and it is time consuming.
And what could yours add to those that already are there?

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 2:42 pm

And if a person gets the wrong advise, you might be legally responsible.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 2:55 pm

This would be a place to discuss their problems and possible treatments, that’s all. If no one comments, I’ll take it down, but it’s not going to be something anyone is going to be liable for. It won’t be a health blog anyway. It will be a page, just like Open Forum.

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 3:19 pm

Dave~~I do not foresee any problems with having a blog to discuss health issues. I would never give anyone any medical advise that could prove detrimental to their health…Check with you doctor first has always been my motto.
It would be a good outlet and will not take up alot of your time. We will all run it as a group.

Weezie // May 29, 2009 at 3:21 pm

Dave: For one you have my vote.

2nd) Ina, don’t be worried, noone is going to sue for god’s sake. We all have our minds about us, but it is nice to be able to discuss what we have learned or read on a particular ailment or even a food that is good for the system.

I have never just taken one person’s advice when it comes to my health, nor should anyone for that matter. This is supposed to be where people can console and contribute their knowlege about a health issue. Nothing more. No medical cures are being pushed on anyone.

I belong to a Blog that has the most compassionate people in the world. We discuss all kinds of treatments and emotional trials, anger, frustration – you name it. That’s why it is so successful. It has been on the web for over 3 years and has literally hundreds of members.
In fact Dave has it as a side bar place to visit. Try going there. You will see what I mean

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 3:21 pm

It’s already up, detwill39. I decided to call it Health eConversations. Good. You and everyone else can run it. Of course, I might take a peek once in a while.

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 3:23 pm

Hey I just thought of a good title….COPING

I still like the Pains Pills and Pretzels

Ouch Potatoes

Weezie // May 29, 2009 at 3:23 pm

Yea, well done Dave.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 3:26 pm

Good luck

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 3:26 pm

Too late. It’s already got a name and I looked for it on Google. Didn’t find one just like it. The “e” in Health eConversations can be looked at 2 ways… Healthy Conversations or eConversations as in email, for electronic: electronic conversations. What do you think?

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 3:28 pm

Anorexia too?

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 3:29 pm

Thank you.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 3:30 pm

There was a site here that had to close, because anorexia girls were instructing each other how to lose weight.

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 3:30 pm

You have a great mind Dave….If I was younger I would sell my goat and pig and buy your affections…

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 3:32 pm

Yes, Weezie, you are right, and if it helps strangers out, it really is a very good thing.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 3:34 pm

The name is a disaster lol. Too long.
Healthchat. ?

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 3:34 pm

Boy, I am soooooo flattered I am at least worth the price of a goat AND a pig. It makes me feel all tingly. Oh. Wait. That’s my diabetic neuropathy. Oh well, thank you, just the same.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 3:37 pm

We aren’t youngsters around here, though. We are adults. Most of us are intelligent and responsible. We won’t let it get carried out of hand.

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 3:39 pm

What I am about to do is cause you are so sweet Dave… It seems like I am going to streak in public…off I go to the new blog…

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 3:39 pm

But everyone can get in, I suppose?

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 3:40 pm

And as each new topic gets underway, I will add it to a list of permanent tags, like you see at the bottom of each post.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 3:41 pm

I will keep my illnesess to myself I am such a private person.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 3:42 pm

Will you do a thread on books? Lot more interesting. reviews of real good books!

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 3:49 pm

Ina, people discuss their health issues here. You know that. I discuss my diabetes. No one has written any book reviews, but I will take it under advisement.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 3:53 pm

I was only kidding, bit tired. I am not private at all. Good thing to talk about illnessess. If I ever get piles, I will be there

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 3:54 pm

Mental illnessess too?

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 3:58 pm

Whatever anyone is comfortable discussing.

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 4:05 pm

Sex?

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 4:07 pm

Or is that not health related? Perhaps there should be limits or such?

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 4:08 pm

Your department of whining etc can’t be commented!

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 4:08 pm

nah, I got a headache

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 4:10 pm

Menopause! Now that should be interesting, as we all are there or have been. Periods that won’t end!

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 4:10 pm

Detwill wrong thread! Here it is : take an asprin

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 4:11 pm

O you though I invited you … hm.. No it was to David

Ina // May 29, 2009 at 4:12 pm

thought. It is my bed time anyway : ) Goodnight

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 4:57 pm

Phil Spector sentenced to 19 years to life

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090529/ap_on_re_us/us_phil_spector

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 5:17 pm

Well Phil finally got his just desserts. I never followed his case. Was Linda Baden his attorney at one time?

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 5:19 pm

Yes, Kenney-Baden was on his team.

I guess John Lennon should be sneezing in his cremains by now.

lulu // May 29, 2009 at 7:45 pm

Yes, Phil Spector deserves just what he got. I watched the entire first trial. Guilty as sin. And I don’t think he’ll thrive in jail.

Linda Baden was the best of his attorneys, but the prosecutor, Alan Jackson, ran rings around her. The crazy jury foreman hung the case.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 7:54 pm

I think Phil Spector believed he was God. Imagine that, to go from a gated 30 room mansion to a teenie weenie prison cell surrounded by Big Bubba and his brothers. I hope for his sake they don’t like 69 year old men. I don’t think he’ll last 2 years.

lulu // May 29, 2009 at 7:55 pm

Watching the “Clark Rockefeller” case now. I tivo Court TV all day. Anyone know about this one? This is the trial for kidnapping his daughter, Snooks.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 8:00 pm

No, Lulu, I never heard of this one.

Weezie // May 29, 2009 at 8:44 pm

MD and Lulu;

Funny I watched the 2nd trial where he got off or it was called a mistrial. Anyway Baden was part of that, she was impressive, but, he still needed to come back to be found one way or the other.

\Dave you make a good point. How does one climatize themselves from a mansion to a 10 by 8 cell? He was definately a genius in his music days, as a writer, developer and manager. You just have to look at the cuckoo way he lived.

He really thought that he would be found not guilty. Oh my, what a waste. I only hope that the woman’s parents, if alive, got their, relief in the verdict.

lulu // May 29, 2009 at 8:46 pm

Gerhartsreiter is his real name. Apparently as a young man he assumed this whole Clark Rockefeller persona. He was suspected of murdering the couple whose guest house he lived in way back in the 70s or 80s and then he fell off the face of the earth. He would have stayed there if he hadn’t married a wealthy businesswoman, divorcing her and kidnapping the daughter. Now he’ll probably be charged with the murders too.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Weezie – Spector is (not anymore) the musical equivalent of a mad scientist. Put a lab coat on him and you’ll know exactly what I mean.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 9:39 pm

I remember that guy, Lulu. He looked like he could have been a Rockefeller, too. Right down to the glasses. Yes, he got away with it for quite some time.

Weezie // May 29, 2009 at 9:43 pm

Dave; That mad scientist’s lab coat would have a shiny little gun where his penis might have been. You know what I mean. He was a sneaky bugger, and how he could or his lawyers say all the garbage about Lana and her desire to commit suicide in front of him. Holy, he really had the imagination of a mad scientist – could we say Ware Wolfe? I am oh so happy about the outcome.

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 9:54 pm

Unfortunately, Weezie, lawyers do it all the time. make the victim look bad. Most of the time it doesn’t work.

detwill39 // May 29, 2009 at 10:16 pm

Dave~~thanks again for putting the health site up. It seems to be doing well thus far. We have not killed any patients with home remedies yet. Goodnight friend…

Marinade Dave // May 29, 2009 at 10:28 pm

Yes, how lucky we are that we haven’t killed anyone yet. That’s funny.

Good night.

Newbie // May 30, 2009 at 12:27 pm

Department of whining, moaning and complaining……that is the best. lol

If I had a picture of this, I would send it to put in the next post of that nature. I had a grenade tagged with #1 that sat on my desk. On the base it read “Complaint Dept…take a number.” lol

Marinade Dave // May 30, 2009 at 12:35 pm

Hi, Newbie – You’d be surprised how many people have already clicked on that page to complain about something.

detwill39 // May 30, 2009 at 1:20 pm

Hi Dave and Ina~~I clicked on it and my puter froze so &^%$# came out of me.

Newbie // May 30, 2009 at 2:00 pm

detwill, say Newbie…rose…Newbie…rose…lol lol

Marinade Dave // May 30, 2009 at 2:05 pm

Hi, detwill39. Gee, I almost missed your greeting. Howz by you?

detwill39 // May 30, 2009 at 3:17 pm

Newbie~~I called you Ina by mistake…oh my god, my girls are right…first sign of dementia- non recognition.

Dave~~I think it is about time you paid a visit to the health forum…us ladies would like to give you your weekly check-up. I will do you from the neck up…the girls will all fight for your waist down..

Marinade Dave // May 30, 2009 at 3:35 pm

I will be working on a health comment about diabetes soon, detwill39. I’ve been a little busy today, but I’ll have something.

detwill39 // May 30, 2009 at 3:53 pm

Dave~~as long as you come to visit. Hey maybe we can play, you be the doctor and examine us. I did alot of sleuthing last evening re the Anthony case which seems to be at a lull. I just found info we already know about.

detwill39 // May 30, 2009 at 9:25 pm

Dave~~ why is Open Forum so slow loading. The others are fine. Anyhow, I want you to right click on this comment after I post it and then click on View Source. That is how I used to have to check on urls to see if someone was stealing bandwidth or direct linking to web sites that did not allow it. The participants in my forum were allowed to post pics in certain threads. We had to abide by some stringent rules.

Kari // May 31, 2009 at 10:13 am

Bleah, Anthonys! Detwill, don’t waste your talent on them! It’s all over but the whining.

Kari // May 31, 2009 at 11:22 am

Ghost stories, continued. For Detwill, or anyone.

Detwill, I am glad you are a skeptic. I am one myself. The singular thing about psychic phenomena is that the same thing that makes them real and true and not just bizarre coincidences, also makes them very hard to prove or even talk about scientifically.

That is to say, the only difference between a silly coincidence and a psychic experience, is your subjective feelings and perceptions.

“I was just thinking of Dave fondly”, you say, “and suddenly, out of the blue, he called me!”

“Pah!” I say, “Mere coincidence!”

“But, it’s been 4 years since we talked,” you explain, “I don’t even have his number any more!”

“Nuts!” I say, “Still just coincidence.”

“But, I never think about him any more, ” you say, “and suddenly, there he was in my mind, just as vivid as if he was standing before me!”

“Sure, you say that, now! But only because he called, and that makes you think your memory was important.”

“No, no, no,” you argue, “You don’t understand! I felt a real connection. He was trying to reach me. I felt it!”

Ah, now there you have me. I can argue facts, but feelings I have to either accept or deny, and if I respect you as a person of intelligence and awareness, I have to accept your feelings as valid, at least for you.

From this point, I have several choices. I can privately decide that you have a few important screws that have worked loose, and discount your weird experiences. I can form factual explanations that satisfy me and agree to disagree with you. Or I can accept your experience as you experienced it and seek to understand how that could be so.

Your factual theory that a spark may have leaped from the fire to burn my friend’s hand is a good, logical one. It did not occur to me then, and I don’t find it very likely looking back on it, because I laid my hand over his, (the ‘burn’ was on the back of his hand) and even if a spark coincidentally had flown up to burn him at that same instant, I don’t think I could have failed to feel it or see it or something. I am convinced that the burn resulted from a sort of super-charged static-electricity spark passing between us.

The intriguing question to me is, how did that energy, uh, collect between us? Was it somehow just atmospheric, were we in a place and time where ball lightning might have manifested? Was there some other logical reason for one of us to have built up a giant static charge? Clothes or jewelry or perfume we wore? Or, did that energy have a more spiritual source and only express itself as an electric spark?

Because of the revulsion I felt for the man speaking that night, I associated the build up of what I felt as a negative energy with my negative feelings for him. But that is where a coincidence might have happened…

Your ‘forerunner’ story is interesting. I have heard of people who believed in various sorts of ‘death warnings’. An owl hooting. A dog howling. A picture falling off of the wall. And knocking on (or in) walls. Usually three times. I myself have never felt much significance attached to these sorts of occurrences. I would probably have suggested that the ‘knocks’ you heard were the wind throwing acorns or twigs at your door.

But I wasn’t there. (Also, I live in a temperate and changeable climate, where owls, dogs, and windstorms all come and go quite regularly)
I assume from your telling of the tale, that these particular knocks ‘felt’ very different, distinct from any chance knocking of twigs, etc.

You (or your mom) felt a sense of foreboding, and later received news of Grandma’s death.

Let me suggest that your mom had, naturally a spiritual, or psychic, link with her mom, and was feeling a foreboding. She knew something was wrong. Therefore, the knocking at the door meant something to her. On another day, she might have just laughed it off…

My personal experiences of foreknowledge are not so impressive to someone who wasn’t in my head with me. I have had a great deal more satisfaction in doing psychic readings for other people.

My purpose in doing ‘readings’ is not to try and see the future, though I will attempt it if requested. My purpose is to demonstrate that there is such a thing as esp, or a psychic sense, by telling the subject something that I could not have known, or by seeing a vision that is more meaningful to him/her than to me.

Just purely for the edification and delight of those who may be interested, if any, I am going to go back over my notes and relate the more impressive and memorable of my readings. I will probably get back with that sometime this week.

In the meantime, let me say I was most entertained and interested by Sheron’s story of the pastor who had a vision of hell.

This is a whole other class of paranormal experience, that of visions, or ‘close encounters’. These things really take us more into the realm of the neurological. We have to make judgements about how much of a vision is just some kind of neural stimulation, and how much could be, in some sense, real and true.

Neither of our experiences could fall into the same category as we both shared the same perception with another person. So that, if it was a mere illusion of some sort, it was folie a deux. Also, neither of us was in an altered state (such as drug-induced unconsciousness) at the time we had our experiences.

You could argue that the speaker at my campfire was, perhaps inadvertently, inducing a hypnotic state in his audience—except no one else seemed to be affected.

I am inclined to assign the pastor’s specific vision of hell as a neurological hallucination. But it had great meaning for him and changed his life. So, was it real?

Well, if a dream comes true the next day, was it real? Or just a dream?
My answer is, it would seem to have been both! At the time (you) were dreaming it, it was not really happening. Maybe some parts of it did not happen. Yet some parts did later happen. So, it was as real as, say a memory. A memory of the future.

I would be most interested in everyone’s dream-come-true experiences. Even the most prosaic people may dream extraordinary things, because that is what dreaming is for–to let down all our boundaries and express what is normally taboo.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 12:19 pm

A very good read, Kari, and I’m glad you were thinking of me fondly instead of a nightmare or bad omen.

detwill39 // May 31, 2009 at 12:23 pm

Hi Dave and Kari~~just a quick hello. I will be back a bit later to read all the comments and play catch up.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 12:27 pm

OK, detwill39. Behave yourself today with your neighbor if he asks for biscuits.

detwill39 // May 31, 2009 at 12:45 pm

To behave is to not have any fun. No biscuits or neighbor for me today. I have to breast feed Thinker and Stinker and pat the Thought in the oven daddy dearest.

Weezie // May 31, 2009 at 12:54 pm

I will try and catch up on the posts tomorrow. I started but I am suffering with pnemonia (s) and back to bed I go. God it’s is miserable and I have so much to do this coming week! Yikes, we have a huge street sale this coming Saturday and we are heading up the day, so never enough time to do it all. Byee. blow, sneeze, cough,

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 12:59 pm

I am so sorry to hear you have pneumonia. Believe me, I know all about it. Please, please take very good care of yourself. I still have effects from it.

Newbie // May 31, 2009 at 1:26 pm

detwill, do you know how funny it is to pop down to the end of this post and start at reading your last comment !!! It is a HUH? moment.

detwill39 // May 31, 2009 at 1:37 pm

Newbie~~well I got myself in a terrible fix. Dave mentioned he had mind sex with Casey when he first saw her…typical man eh? Well, I was curious so had mind sex with Dave and, of course, didn’t use mind protection. Well guess what, I delivered premature twins, just two little thoughts. I named one Thinker and the other Stinker after daddy Dave. Now I am so busy breast feeding the hungry little devils, I don’t have time for much else. Little Stinker is quite the little pig. If you can make out any of what I have wrote, will you let me know as I am very confused. I am suing daddy Dave for as he has to support these two little thoughts.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 1:39 pm

? I always have mind sex with David, I am a woman?

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 1:41 pm

Just kidding. Not on Sundays!

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Then I am a man.

detwill39 // May 31, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Weezie~~hang in there hon and take care of yourself. I will be thinking of you.

Newbie // May 31, 2009 at 2:06 pm

Now, this is why I peek in when I should be doing something !! Humor…….detwill, if you aren’t worn out by midday with your mind being in “overused in drive”…lol….I thought I had strangeness of thought but you sure take the cake !
And Ina, just kidding..not on Sundays…..lol
We are lucky dogs….modern communication used at its best !

Newbie // May 31, 2009 at 2:10 pm

I think I am in “lockup”. Oh well….Dave, are you putting this on a new page at 800 comments or 1,000 ?

Newbie // May 31, 2009 at 2:12 pm

I think I am in “lockup”. Oh well….Dave, are you putting this on a new page at 800 comments or 1,000 ?
….

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 2:12 pm

Get well weezie
newbie, this blog is obesed and dying from overweight.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 2:14 pm

I think blogs are not constructed for the use as a forum. But that would take an expert to know.

Newbie // May 31, 2009 at 2:15 pm

I just commented on if this was going to another page at 800 or 1,000 comments. It is in lockup too. Oh well, back to business.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 2:15 pm

I must put more lines in one coment
David, I wish you a very nice Pentacost Sunday and I hope you have a nice dinner too. We had fish.

Newbie // May 31, 2009 at 2:17 pm

I still have a comment in lockup…response to detwill’s humor …oh well.

detwill39 // May 31, 2009 at 2:28 pm

Newbie~~I think your comment is showing now. Ahhhh a little laugh is good for soul.
This page always loads so very slow. Hope you are having a good day.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 3:56 pm

Detwill and Dave congratulations on the twins how wonderful!!!!

detwill39 // May 31, 2009 at 4:08 pm

laura~~have you checked out the new forum Health eConversations? Scroll up to of page and it is on the left above the banner. Will be back a bit later.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 4:21 pm

Thank you, Laura. I was just thinking about you, too. Don’t worry, good thoughts.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 4:22 pm

There’s another page I added today: Blog Rules

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 4:40 pm

Now what is this about an honest mistake, about nr 3 of the rules, how was I suppose to know that about the animals not being allowed to discuss?? I have said sorry?
It is a bit confusing for me and this looks really personal. I thought this was your blog, the blog I sometimes said something to you and you said something back, has something changed? Why can’t you leave it at that, accept the apology but make a rule, as if so many people would want to write about animals? This is so stupid!

Do you have a problem with me commenting here, just say so. In your mails you said so many different things. It is confusing, as I already said. So please tell me ? You have my number.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Sorry for the grammar, it is past my bedtime.
I said goodnight already.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 4:49 pm

I used that as an example because it happened today. There is so much discourse on my blog now, I have just about had it. Everybody is nervous. What my blog used to be is not what it is today. I had no idea it would grow like this and I am trying my best to maintain peace here among a lot of readers. I tried my best to explain what needed to be done on lots of e-mails. Now, I was compelled to write rules. As long as everyone follows them, there will be no more problems. If it was confusing, these rules should un-confuse you.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 4:54 pm

I am not nervous? I don’t really see the discours, just a matter of misinterpertation perhaps. David, I see you have already changed the rules. The animals are gone. I still think it a good idea to do a topic on that, as there are many animallovers in the world. But this is of topic?

laura // May 31, 2009 at 4:58 pm

I am not nervous. I hope you don’t stop all together. I think maybe everyone should remember their manners and be polite. jmo Please don’t leave us or abandon us!!!!!

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:01 pm

Jesus.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:01 pm

Well I am not much mistaken?

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:05 pm

Hey there is nothing in the rules that says I can’t comment in another language, so
Welterusten, gutenacht and don’t be mad or paranoid.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:13 pm

Polite, remember?
“Someone on my blog is setting out to destroy me .” Who is that person?

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:16 pm

David, it would make things a lot more easy if people knew who you meant really.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 5:18 pm

Ina, I was not talking about you I meant in general all of us get along be nice etc….. I don’t want to come on WordPress one day and find Dave gone. I thought we was all friends??? Maybe I was wrong.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:19 pm

I am afraid no one dares to say anything now, as they think they will be fried. Hens are so chicken.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 5:21 pm

There you go, testing me. If you think I am chicken, you just got your ass fried.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:21 pm

No you are the rooster right?

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:22 pm

Can you say a.s? If I say a.s, I am in the filter.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 5:23 pm

Just stop it now, go to bed or end up in spam. Your choice.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:25 pm

I have this eggs to lay! Oh well. Goodnight! You sound like my father somehow.

Kari // May 31, 2009 at 5:27 pm

Ina!! You know you are Dave’s very first love, and there is no love like the first! You are also my favorite poetess. Please don’t feel unloved!

This blogging/commenting thing is fraught with pitfalls. People can be more honest than they are face to face, and more openly caring, loving, poetic, even– but people can also be more sensitive, more cruel, more insecure, etc, etc, etc…

In fact, it’s just people squared, as it were. A potent people stew, simmering in cyberspace.

Now, I actually like to have rules laid out in plain English, or, uh, Danish or whatever is the lingua franca… Because I am the sort of tactless, clueless person who never knows when they have just mentioned a taboo topic and embarrassed everyone in the room.

Also, we (society) need written rules, to give us a way of dealing with that minority who are ill-intentioned. Normal, innocent people will make mistakes, frinstance, coming in to work late occasionally, or even frequently.

When their mistake/transgression is brought to their attention, they will take steps to avoid repeating it. All they need is the boss to gently say, “You know, your tardiness is a rudeness to the other employees, and doesn’t look well to management.”

But there are toxic people who know they are being rude by coming in not a few minutes late, but an hour late. When the boss talks to them, they nod and say they understand, and they will come up with excuses, such as the dog ate the alarm clock, but they really have no intention of mending their ways.

The next time they have a date, or a bottle, or whatever, they will be an hour late again, or they will call in sick. For these people’s sake, the boss will need to post a rule:
NO ONE SHALL BE MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES LATE FOR THEIR SHIFT OR ELSE!!
But ‘or else’ will probably be different for the ill-intentioned people than for an innocent mistake.

I fully trust Dave to know to which category we belong.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:28 pm

lol I just wanted to wink.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:32 pm

Love, kari you are a real lovely person I love you. Well I love David too. I hate rules. I think I can’t do smileys anymore for some reason.

Ina // May 31, 2009 at 5:33 pm

Hm.. I must go, like Cinderella. My shoes are killing me.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 5:36 pm

This place is meant to be somewhere to come and relax. We can test our brains all we want by having open discussions about intelligent things and we can come here to say hello and talk about our days and other things. There are no reasons to pick on one another and I put my foot down today. No more. No more pushing it to the limit. My patience has run out. That’s it.

What it means is that whoever does it has no respect for me or my wishes. Does that person act the same way on other Web sites or just mine? If it is just mine, then I have been way too lax, way too tolerant and now it ends. Whether knowing or not, it is tearing down the very fabric of my blog and I am more than mad.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 5:50 pm

Love ya Dave, I think you need to breathe. I think it will be okay, but don’t get your blood pressure up because I don’t think it is worth it. However I think you should be firm mean way you say and say what you mean……. And be here in the morning (every morning) when I have my coffee. Maybe not tomorrow because you have appointment and don’t be late for that. xoxoxo

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 5:55 pm

I plan on sticking around for a while, Laura. These problems have definitely had an impact on my health and I don’t think it matters to some of them. I will use plural even if I mean singular. I will be here in the morning because my appointment isn’t until 2 pm. I have to take every medication with me, too.

What time do you have your coffee? We can have it together.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 6:09 pm

Around 7:30 -8:00. I hope you don’t let all this get to you, I tried to help but I think I got cussed in another language. But no worries, I love visiting and no one will run me off, your not super healthy so I will kick your azz if I have too. (only if you try to get rid of me)

laura // May 31, 2009 at 6:18 pm

Detwill where are you? I know it is Sunday but I miss you!!!!

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 6:19 pm

Laura – You have never given anyone a problem of any kind here. You are a real breath of fresh air and a delight. You don’t have to worry about anyone running you off, especially me. As a matter of fact, they would be long gone before anything like that has a chance to happen.

7:30-8:00? That’s 8:30-9:00 my time. You’re on.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 6:37 pm

Very good, see you for coffee. That makes me feel good Dave but it drives me nuts that everyone can’t get along. I realize we all have different personalities but manners should be in all of us. I would never hurt someones feelings on purpose. I was think before I reply or put my two cents in. Anyway, how is your weekend going? Do you have all your medicine gathered up? I hope everything goes well for you tomorrow. I hate going to see another doctor and try to explain what has gone on with my body. I had to get a second opinion before my hysterectomy it was horrible. The man was 82 I asked him why he wasn’t retired and he said he loved his job then he told me to take my clothes off. It was weird.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 6:53 pm

Tomorrow, it is then.

Manners are key in life and sometimes absent here. Never by you, though. Other than the issue earlier, my weekend has been relaxing. I was writing and then I felt compelled to do the rules page.

I have a female doctor, younger than me and she hasn’t asked me to take my clothes off yet. Better for her, I’m sure. At 82, I’m sure that doctor has seen his share of naked people, men and women, and it was nothing at all other than clinical. I hope a female nurse or attendant was present though, because that is proper protocol. It protects you and it protects him from a potential lawsuit if the patient chooses to accuse him of something.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 8:48 pm

Dave- EOF, I called you mine first, so I can say I am your favorite only if someone ask. I will let them know that is just my opinion. Is that okay with you? However if Detwill ask I will tell her that she is your favorite, okay?

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Everything you say is fine with me, Laura. Yes, if anyone asks you that, you have my permission to say yes. By all means. After all, WE are having coffee together tomorrow morning, even if we have to settle for the Internet Cafe.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 9:13 pm

lol. Plus you are going to help me find a house. Then when I move there we can have coffee at a coffee house or where ever……

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 9:16 pm

Yup, wherever, Laura. You might even invite me in sometime.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Sure would. I trust you.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 9:29 pm

I would hope so. I’d even bring flowers.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 9:37 pm

Oh you are so coming over I love flowers. I will even feed you a healthy meal minus the meat. Homemade Ziti if you like Italian food????

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 9:42 pm

I love Italian food and I eat it. I just have to be careful how much because pasta/starch turns into sugar and tomato sauce has a lot of sugar. Usually, I try to eat a good sized salad with it, so I eat less of that. To be honest, I can’t stop eating it, so what the heck. I should have a GIANT salad first.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 9:44 pm

Of course salad always go with Italian. If you want we can run a mile or two afterward.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 9:52 pm

You can run. I’ll ride a bike. I’ve never been a runner, except in high school when I played on the soccer team. We ran and ran and ran. Then we scrimmaged and ran some more.

detwill39 // May 31, 2009 at 9:55 pm

I will follow you both ….

laura // May 31, 2009 at 9:57 pm

Detwill you will probably beat us all, running biking after a big dinner not good. I will hop on and ride back with you.

detwill39 // May 31, 2009 at 9:59 pm

Kari~~I just had a chance to read your comments on the paranormal. Hopefully I will be able to get back to you soon…just remember that I am a skeptic on alot of these things.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 10:00 pm

Oh, detwill39, you’ll do anything for an Italian dinner. That would look good. One runner, one biker and one wheeler.

detwill39 // May 31, 2009 at 10:07 pm

Dave~~I’d do anything for an Italian period.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 10:10 pm

Oh the fun the three of us could have. I bet that would turn some heads. Only in Florida.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 10:11 pm

Detwill39, I don’t read, write or speak Italian, but I’m pretty sure a period in Italian looks just like a period in English. You know, the little dot thingie at the end of sentences. I can give you one in English. Here, take it >.<

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 10:12 pm

Yes, and you might be able to convince me to do it topless.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 10:21 pm

Oh Detwill, Dave is stripping for you get in here!!!!!

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 10:28 pm

No I’m not. I’m going to wear pants and a manbra.

Just kidding.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 10:33 pm

Oh my. I thought you might take off the pants too. I guess you just can’t handle that much excitement. Lol Okay I will stop now before we get in big trouble, oh never mind you put in the content thing at the top we are good. Detwill get in here I am going to get Dave to strip for us!!!!!

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 10:40 pm

I have high moral standards, Laura, and I am a one woman kind of guy.

Marinade Dave // May 31, 2009 at 10:43 pm

Now, I am a very tired kind of guy.

laura // May 31, 2009 at 10:48 pm

Okay….. Flirt. Good night, see you for coffee.

Kari // June 1, 2009 at 6:18 am

Good morning, all you beautiful people!!

Warning, sexual issues discussed:

It is 5:17am, still dark, but the birds have started tuning up for the sunrise performance.
I am awake courtesy of my boyfriend, Solis, who came knocking on my window at 3am, again. I used to get angry with him, and feel like he was just using me.

He could always talk me around, he is a good talker, and he doesn’t tell me lies. We’re friends who really care about each other, and help out in times of need. We tell each other ‘I love you’. We’ve gone together so long now, it’s sort of like being a married couple.

I don’t feel used any more. Sex is (another) one of those things in life that depend completely on your attitude/perception. If you don’t want it at that time, with that person, it may become rape, or abuse. Yet, any woman, and many men, who’ve been married longer than a year or so, has had sex when s/he didn’t really want to, to please the spouse.
I come from a moral family, we don’t drink, smoke, cuss, or fool around. I’m the black sheep, or sort of a grey sheep, since I have refused to even pretend to be celibate. And I’m dating outside of my race. And I don’t care much about money. I’m not sure which is more scandalous. Probably the dating outside my race, and the not keeping it secret.

Well, I’ve been chubby all my life, with big thighs and hips. Now I’m fat, and in fact, obese. White guys do not like fat women, don’t like big thighs and bottoms. Mexican guys do! I was thrilled to discover that big thighs are a turn-on for these guys, and for the first time in my life, I am a sexy, desirable woman! Heck, I’m the Dolly Parton of thighs!

I’ve only dated a few guys, over the last ten years of being single, maybe half a dozen. I could probably have a different one every night if I wanted to. But I don’t. I want a friend, and I am lucky to have found one, even one who goes out with the guys and comes back ‘home’ in the wee hours several times a month.

Unlike Florida, Indiana is a fairly recent destination for the undocumented people, it’s been maybe a dozen years or so they’ve been coming here. So, it’s still mostly just lonely, single men. And lonely, in Spanish, apparently means horny. (that’s a joke)

Honestly, ladies, and gentleman, I think the next big frontier the human race needs to conquer will be endocrinology!! Most all of us are ladies ‘of a certain age’, so we can be a bit more objective than the young ones. Can you imagine a world without hormonal imbalances??

No rapists. No angry young men beating up on women, children, and next door neighbors. No hormonal women screaming at children and husbands. Nobody wasting their lives and risking their health by trolling the bars for a sex-partner. No more sad women, pining away because they don’t have a baby, or don’t have a lover.

The last anti-depressant I took was effexor. I was on it for a year, and I’ve been off it now for about 8 months. It was interesting because it stopped whatever hormonal turmoil I used to always have that made me cry frequently and yearn for true love. It was just a great relief, and showed me how the other half lives. My hormones have returned, but just a mere trickle, as I seem to finally be through with menopause.

Most of my life I lived for love, and I thought that being divorced, and living single would kill me. Now, finally, I can be happy as I am.

Thank you for letting me talk, and an extra thank you for anyone who reads this with sympathy and understanding.

I hope everyone has a calm and radiant day. I’m going out to see the sunrise.

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 8:47 am

Thank you for having the courage to tell your story, Kari. I think everyone here will look at this and understand. You are an honest person, and that is a great asset.

detwill39 // June 1, 2009 at 9:35 am

Hi Kari~~thanks for sharing my friend

Hi Dave~~a little pinch for you, good luck today with the docs

Busy day for me but will be back later on..

lulu // June 1, 2009 at 9:52 am

Kari, glad you found someone who makes you happy.

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 9:56 am

Good morning, detwill39. Alas, I had to drink my coffee by myself, but I am still finishing my last cup. Stay busy!

laura // June 1, 2009 at 10:50 am

Sorry sweetie, I had a unscheduled meeting pop up today. Apparently I am the only one who is able to fly to Seattle for work. I am a sun goddess this time of the year the last place I want to go is to a rainy city. I am kicking and screaming. Anything new today?

Dee // June 1, 2009 at 10:54 am

Wow, take a weekend off, and sll sorts of stuff goes on . . . (wink wink).

Dee // June 1, 2009 at 10:57 am

I am also testing, to make sure I am not spammed for life – (wink wink). (I hope I am winking . . )

laura // June 1, 2009 at 10:57 am

Hi Dee, did you have a nice weekend? I think we all did. It was pretty nice in Indy other then some storms Friday night.

Dee // June 1, 2009 at 11:04 am

Morning Laura (morning here anyway),
Yes, I had a nice weekend – Hope you did too. It’s still foggy here, now, so I am not sure how the day will turn out. The weekend was not too hot or cool. Just nice. I like nice. My fingers aren’t typing too well today – LOL. Lots of having to go back and correct transposed and leftout letters. LOL. And I have to get to work now – will drop in through-out the day. Later -

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 11:07 am

I thought you stood me up. I spent the morning in tears. Anyway, I drank all my coffee without you, but others were here, so I’m OK now. So there.

Seattle? Boy, I’d love to visit Seattle some time. I love cities like that and trust me, I could do without the sun sometimes. That’s all there is in Florida. When are you supposed to go?

BTW, nothing is new yet on the Anthony trail, but don’t be surprised if detwill39 returns with some little tidbit.

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 11:08 am

Good morning, Dee. What stuff? Did I miss something?

No, you will not be spammed for life. It is my intent to never do that with anyone.

laura // June 1, 2009 at 11:14 am

Well I am a Financial planner for prisons, so I have meetings at three different Banks there. I will be staying downtown Seattle. I would rather go in the winter. Just because we don’t have sunshine all the time here. I really wish we could have had our coffee together. Tomorrow I will be on a plane. I hope to be home Friday evening but all is good, I will be taking my laptop. I work from home most days so I should have known when I got the email to just pack my bags. I usually travel once a month. I shouldn’t complain I have a job/career. As long as there is crime.

detwill39 // June 1, 2009 at 11:22 am

Detwill the snoop is back again.

Hi laura, Dee and lulu… Dave, I already say hi to you, you don’t get seconds.. I am waiting for my helper to arrive…

Susan Boyle had to be admitted to the hospital for exhaustion …

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/01/susan-boyle-hospital-exhaustion/

laura // June 1, 2009 at 11:28 am

Hi Detwill, how are you today? I heard that about Susan. I think she should have won. I don’t understand how that works, singers and dancers. How can you compare?????

detwill39 // June 1, 2009 at 11:32 am

Hi laura~~I am fine thank you. Yes, it was crazy comparing dancers and scooters…you have a good day…gotta scoot now hugs

detwill39 // June 1, 2009 at 11:33 am

Hi laura~~I am fine thank you. Yes, it was crazy comparing dancers and singers ..you have a good day…gotta scoot now hugs

laura // June 1, 2009 at 11:43 am

Hugs to you too. Talk to you later.

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 11:56 am

Good luck on your trip, Laura. I hope you can remain online, so you can get a little bit of friendship while you are gone. I wish I could go with you.

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 11:58 am

I included this new info on Susan Boyle on my newest post, which I will run tomorrow. I won’t be around this afternoon to oversee it. Tomorrow would be better.

laura // June 1, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Hope on a plane and meet me there. You can run around and find fun things to do, after my meetings.

laura // June 1, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Hop on a plane. Oh boy it’s going to be a day!!!

Dee // June 1, 2009 at 12:32 pm

Dave – All the flirting ’stuff’, all the mind sex ’stuff’, all the rowdiness, all the new rules ’stuff’ – and ’stuff’ about people not getting along -??? I am like, Huh? Did I miss something? I guess. (Darn!) And when I clicked on the Whining and Complaint Dept, nothing showed up. I guess no one is complaining, or I am out of the loop. Anyway, Good morning, Dave and Everyone

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 12:41 pm

Well, Dee, the trouble is now in the past, I hope. I need to get ready for a doctor appointment. I’ll try to explain later. In the meantime, don’t worry about anything.

laura // June 1, 2009 at 12:55 pm

Hi Dee. I hope you had a good weekend.

Dee // June 1, 2009 at 1:05 pm

I did, Laura – Did you?

laura // June 1, 2009 at 1:18 pm

Yes. I got to relax by the pool with my daughters. Then yesterday I had fun harassing Dave. I think he was getting upset by comments so I tried to get him to settle down, so I flirt he feels better for a moment and I feel better because I would hate for him to stop writing. I really enjoy everyone on here so I sometimes worry that Dave will eventually get fed up…….

Dee // June 1, 2009 at 1:19 pm

Dave – Have you considered reversing the order on this Open Forum, that is, put the most current on top, the earlier ones at bottom?

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 1:31 pm

I’m walking out the door. I’ll be back.

detwill39 // June 1, 2009 at 3:25 pm

Dave~~the spammers have invaded your Diabetic Diary…

Ina // June 1, 2009 at 4:29 pm

There is something funny with this spam on your diabetis page and a lurker of mine, could you please check your mail; too complex too explain

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 4:36 pm

The e-mail you sent was empty. Nothing. Nil. Zada. It was blank.

Ina // June 1, 2009 at 4:39 pm

I think I already solved it, it was the blogroll!

Ina // June 1, 2009 at 4:43 pm

It is solved, and it was the last mail, I think it was through blogroll. No worries!
I didn’t grasp how anyone could get from that page to my blog, as I wasn’t there with my link, and as it was with spam, I was curious, but hey, it was the blogroll.

Ina // June 1, 2009 at 4:52 pm

Sorry lurker! Just with spam, I get nervous lol.

Kari // June 1, 2009 at 9:36 pm

Don’t feel bad, Dee. Myself, I just scan past these flirting parties, I figure Dave has enough women on his hands already.

Marinade Dave // June 1, 2009 at 9:40 pm

No, Kari, no women on my hands, just on my mind. There’s a big difference.

detwill39 // June 1, 2009 at 10:47 pm

Kari~~it is really fun having mind sex. Dave and I have twin sons now, Thinker and Stinker. I’ve got another one in the oven. What do you think I should call it? I’m hoping it is a girl. What do they call that song, ‘Use Your Imagination?” I wanna be another Oxtomom and be famous. The first cyber Oxy.

I have it made because I can always delete my kids if they get out of hand.

Ina // June 2, 2009 at 4:25 am

Hi David, can I put this here on open forum please, it is just about the possibility for animals to get organs from other dead ones. I have tried to google it, but nothing to be found. This makes me wonder if there even exists such a thing.

Now our cat had the most clear eyes when she died, and as I also have had a cat with cataract, I really would like to know if those kinds of opeations are done anywhere in the world. In the US? It seemed such a waste really.

A friend of mine who has a farm and still some animals, even doesn’t know it. My guess is it is too expensive and I can see the reason in that. We already found it a bit ’sinfull’ to use antibiotics on the cat, as there are so many people in the world who don’t even get antibiotics. But we live in this world full of love for our pets, we want to give her a change. And to stretch the live of a pet that is really in pain, is not what I mean.
If anyone knows of the possibilities of animals giving organs to other animals, is there a donorbank? Is it biological possible, with all sorts of cats for instance and different breeds of dogs, do the animals have to be the ’same’ to match?
Is there a vet about who can tell? Or some one with pets and experience in this matter?
Thank you.

Ina // June 2, 2009 at 4:30 am

opeations=operations, I think my laptop was made in Asia

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 7:27 am

According to Transplant Living, the average total cost of a single heart transplant in 2007 was $658,800. This figure includes the cost of obtaining a donor heart, at an average of nearly $90,000, about $23,000 in evaluation fees, $40,000 for doctor’s fees, $383,000 in hospital costs, $93,000 in post-operative care, and over $29,000 for immunosuppressive prescription medications. Transplants that involved both a heart and a lung cost an average of $874,800, while heart and kidney combination transplants cost an average of $758,700.

First, I’d like to know who has that sort of money to spend on an animal that might live another couple of years, at best. Second, what would the quality of life be? Pets don’t know what they’re going through, they have no concept like humans do, and they would be subjected to taking anti-rejection medications for the rest of their lives. Try doing that with a cat. Try buying a life insurance policy that would cover expenses like that.

The reason why you can’t find anything on it because no rational doctor would do it. It would be unethical because of the suffering the pet would go through. Who in their right mind would spend almost a million dollars on a pet that has 1/5 the life expectancy of a human? It’s not at all practical.

Ina // June 2, 2009 at 7:46 am

So much money, I don’t think it would have to cost that much for a pet? Petsurgery is a lot cheaper than human. Eyes, that wouldn’t cost so much? And it would make a lot of difference? They replace hips on pets? But I suppose you are right then.
Life insurance, do they include having pets?
Well thanks anyway.

lulu // June 2, 2009 at 9:37 am

Ina, I have a dog and three cats I adore-they’re my babies. But you’ve got to be kidding about this transplant thing.

Now plastic surgery for animals-that could work.

Ina // June 2, 2009 at 9:56 am

I wasn’t kidding Lulu, but it must be a stupid idea I suppose I will forget it!

Plastic, as for the hip you mean? Not to get away the wrinkles in some dogfaces?

As for us humans : It is so scary but also beautiful to think one day remains of us will be in some one else. I think our government wants to do like the Belgium government and make it a rule, that you donate. (I am not for that btw, but I can see the reasoning in it) Now you need to have a codicil and they ask the family. I have no codicil as of today… but I will! As soon as I have the courage.

Newbie // June 2, 2009 at 10:59 am

Now my mind is jumping to cloning the beloved pet yet I don’t think the personality of “the replacement” is the same. Can you imagine the cost of cloning !

Newbie // June 2, 2009 at 11:02 am

Hey….we are now past the 900 comments on this section of Open Forum. Dave, too bad there is not a “commission” on comments ! WordPress would owe you. lol

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 11:36 am

Boy, Newbie, a commission would be nice. Then, I’d cut you all a percentage.

lulu // June 2, 2009 at 12:13 pm

I really meant cosmetic surgery-if your dog has a big nose for instance.

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 12:17 pm

Or bald?

Kari // June 2, 2009 at 12:19 pm

Detwill, you’re going to be an Oxtomom? Is that some kind of a joke on Octomom and oxymoron? Or maybe Octomom on oxycontin? I haven’t quite got it—- Or was it just a typo?
I don’t think I’m interested in cyber-kids, you’d get all the whining and none of the hugs!

Ina, you know, I wonder if organ transplants might really have been done for some animals? There are some pet owners who spend insane amounts of money on their pets, and then there are racehorses who are worth a lot of money. But I don’t have any idea how you’d go about finding out.

I’m not a big animal person myself, I wouldn’t spend the money that way. But the other objections Dave mentioned I think, would weigh heavily as well, and then, how about compatibility? I’m not sure what they go through to match up human donors with recipients, but in the animal world surely it would be even more difficult?

I’ll bet it will happen in the future, though, just a matter of time!

Newbie // June 2, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Kari…”get the whining and none of the hugs” lol

Dee // June 2, 2009 at 2:04 pm

Ina & anyone interested,

I am an animal lover, and my pets are like my children. I do spend money on really good, high quality, healthy pet food, and I try to keep my pets trim and fit. I find that this, in the elderly years, actually saves money on vet bills. I also spend money on vet visits, as required for vacs, and check-ups, dental, etc, “as needed” per individual animal. Vet bills are often higher than I’d pay a doctor for the equivalent on me – especially dental – with no insurance.

I could purchase that, insurance – for vet bills, not on life or organ transplants – that would cost more than on humans, I predict. However, I think pet health/vet bill insur can include things like chemo/cancer treatments, if that is the level of coverage purchased. I am not sure, as I’ve never had to go that far (before – knock on wood) – in vet bills, and I have never purchased vet or dental pet insurance of any kind.

I’ve had elderly animals die – from disease & old age, and I’ve spent plenty on vets/meds to treat treatable diseases. But, as hard as it is to accept, it is a fact of life – that all living things die. It is a part of the life process. I let them die, when their time comes. I alleviate any pain, if at all possible, but I do not go to extraordinary lengths to extend their lives. I do what can be done, to aid and comfort them, in their final days. But I recognize when the disease is not treatable – that is, terminal, and I make the animal – my beloved ‘child’ – as comfortable as possible, fill their final days with love and affection, and lots and lots of babying, and then I let them live out their lives. They die at home, in my arms, or lying next to me.

It is bringing tears to my eyes as I type this – as I have had 2 elderly cats die in the last 4 years, and I have another who is in his latter years, approaching his final days now too. I often let the animal ‘tell’ me when it has become too much. Most have the ‘will’ to live – and they live a good life, until the day they just let go.

I’ve been lucky to have had animals without too many serious illnesses (like terminal cancer), though I have had ill cats with treatable diseases. They learn to live with the limitations, just as we do. They seek a good life – their entire lives – just as we do. And that is my job, to make it as good as possible, right up until the end.

This is how I would want it to be for me. And so, this is what I give them. I think that is the key – What do you want for yourself, for your life, and when the end is near? Then give that to them, that life – and death – with all your heart. Then when that time comes – let it go.

The hardest part about loving an animal is knowing that they will most probably leave this earth before you. But then if it were the other way around, who would care for them, if I/we went first? So – focus on the time we do have – together – and let life be life.

I hope this helps, Ina. Grieve your lost cat/s – it is OK to love them so very much, and to cry and be at a loss when they leave us. It hurts – but the love they bring into our lives is well worth the heartache when they are gone.

I always find that my cup of love runneth over, when I lose one – the love in my heart pours out – whenever I see on on the street or on TV. I LOVE animals, thanks to love I have had from and for animals. It is what it is, let it be, and be with it. They are God’s gift.

Newbie // June 2, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Dee, powerful comment. I do not cry at much but was sitting here with tears. All said in such a beautiful manner. Thank you so much…..wow. I think what you said can even be applied to treatment of humans.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 2:16 pm

Dave the only reason I am confused is because the change of venue, the prosecutors aren’t on tv why does he go on then complain about coverage?

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 2:17 pm

I wrote a post a while back, after my sister and her husband had to put one of their dogs to sleep:

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2006/08/21/when-its-time/

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 2:22 pm

It’s not a question about who appears on TV, Laura. This isn’t a talent show. It’s all about the thousands of documents that have been made public and the incredible amount of TV coverage in the Orlando area. You don’t see it like I do. Night after night after night. Crap, if there isn’t anything to report, rehash the old stuff and report it again. It’s the TV stations doing it, not Baez or the prosecutors. When the TV stations were parked out in front of the Anthonys’ house, who did that? Baez? The prosecutors? No, the media did it and the media are responsible for all the exposure. Baez is hardly ever on TV.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 2:33 pm

Why did he fight the gag order in the first place?? Wouldn’t that have been better for Casey?

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 2:35 pm

Refresh my memory, Laura. I’m in different places at the same time. Which gag order?

Dee // June 2, 2009 at 2:45 pm

Dave,

I just read your ‘cat/dog’ post – and I am crying. Yes, I have stories too – I’ve had many cats and pets (of all kinds) in this life of mine, but I have only had two ’soul’ companions – both cats – like your Babette. The other pets were/are my children. A ’soul companion’ grows from a ‘child’ – into a mate/lover (spiritually speaking) – and then an aged comforter. A child you take care of for a lifetime, a soul companion grows into something else. That is the difference. When the first died, I thought I’d never find another. I accepted that, and swore I’d always adopt abandoned or strays – in honor of my “Beloved”. Then a handful of years later, it happened again – another cat ‘adopted’ me. It is like they KNOW something we don’t. All my cats ‘came’ to me – I never went looking, but I adopted when the need arose. My soul companions, however, adopted me. It is an incredible experience. I’ve been blessed twice – each experience unique, individual, different. The door is open – and I hope it happens again. But my heart has been filled, is filled, because of those experiences and the love it has given me for cats/animals. My cup runneth over.

I think of it as Karma – my lucky Karma. I hope I am that lucky again. In the meantime, I will let them come to me – not go looking

A really good book for you Dave, for anyone who cried at reading Dave’s story, “The Slient Miaow” by Paul Gallico. You may have to get it used, as it is an older book, out of print, I believe. Worth the search. He also wrote (The Three lives of) “Tomasina”, the book the Disney movie was based upon. That is one of my all time fav movies – to this day – that and Darby O’Gill – LOL.

Thank you Dave, for bringing that article to my attention. I see a whole other side of you – and it is good, very good

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 2:50 pm

Thanks for understanding the real me, Dee, and thank you for the book references. There isn’t a day that goes by that Babette does not cross my mind. I still sink a little when thinking about her. I know it’s funny and somewhat odd, but I can picture myself upon death seeing a spry little kitty cat running and jumping across the grass to greet me, just like she always did when I got home.

Dee // June 2, 2009 at 3:04 pm

I too know that when I go, I will meet my soul companions again. There is not a doubt in my mind. The connection was that deep. God, it makes one believe in God. LOL.

Dee // June 2, 2009 at 3:16 pm

Thanks, Newbie

laura // June 2, 2009 at 3:18 pm

When this all started I thought the prosecution tried to get gag order but Jose fought not to have one?

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 3:24 pm

I would like to believe I’ll see Babette again, hopefully no day soon. She was very comforting to me. Who would think a cat would soften my heart?

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 3:25 pm

I don’t remember any gag order, but when detwill39 comes back, we’ll find out, I hope.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 3:37 pm

Okay, I could be wrong but I really thought the prosecution wanted one. How was you doctors appt. today and yesterday?

detwill39 // June 2, 2009 at 3:42 pm

Dave~~laura is right. Baez did fight the gag order. Here are a couple.. I can find more later, kinda busy at the moment.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18052600
/detail.html

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2008/11/baez-plans-to-fight-casey-anthony-case.html

laura // June 2, 2009 at 3:49 pm

Thank you Detwill. Dave will you please answer my question now?

detwill39 // June 2, 2009 at 4:01 pm

laura~~I had read that about Baez fighting the gag order some time ago. Baez blames the media when it is not favorable to him. He uses the media to enhance his own popularity and has no problem in trying his case before the cameras. Baez is his own worst enemy at times.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 4:10 pm

I agree, I read that he was on Fox News over the weekend and I am just wondering how that will affect the change of venue, when it is him and his associates on tv not the prosecutors? It makes no sense to me, but I guess he can do whatever he wants.

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 4:11 pm

I don’t know, Laura, so I won’t say anything about a gag order until I go back in time.

Yesterday, the SS doctor was rather cold and indifferent. The decision will not be in his hands, but what he says will have something to do with it. Today, I went to my doctor to discuss the blood tests I had done last Tuesday. The news was all good. I also needed referrals to see specialists. My heart is a problem, along with my right lung. I have a blood disorder I’ve mentioned before, but my blood counts have all come up, so that’s a good thing. I’m still very easily fatigued, but the results were encouraging. I guess that means I’ll still be alive when you buy a house down here. Mmmm. Ziti. Yum.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 4:23 pm

Oh good. Wow you are young to have so many health problems in my opinion, but I am not a doctor. I hope you enjoy ziti, I make it very well. My aunt went to Italy for cooking classes and she taught me a lot of good recipes. Italian food is good because you don’t have to use meat. Now can you please tell me how do you plan on going back in time to explain Jose reasoning in regards to the gag order? I realize it is not that important but him and his associates are on tv after he has filed for a change of venue. If he does want the case in the media shouldn’t he turn down these interviews? If it kills us both I am going to get a answer from you because you are so INTELLIGENT! Okay now I am just flirting for answers I am hopeless.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 4:25 pm

I meant to say if he doesn’t want the case in the media……. I was in such a hurry to flirt my hands got excited! lol

detwill39 // June 2, 2009 at 4:33 pm

laura~~if worse comes to worst…you hold Dave down and I will personally gag him. He is a stubborn old goat….well so am I. Even if I find facts for the old goat, he wants them written in stone and delivered by Moses.

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 4:40 pm

Ahhh, Laura, you are just trying to pick me up. You can do that. I will have to go back and read why he was so against the gag order. I do think it was because it meant he couldn’t speak to the press at all, so if documents became public due to the sunshine law, he wouldn’t be able to discount anything. I can’t speak for him and I’m certainly not going to try to defend him, but if the news was only one sided, meaning coming from the state’s side, it would be nothing but bad news for the defense. That’s my take on it from a logical viewpoint. He’s not saying much when he goes on TV to state that something leaked or exposed by the state is not true or it’s not exactly right. He’s still not giving away his strategy by negating the prosecution’s claims.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 4:43 pm

Detwill you are so funny. I can and will hold him down for you to gag him. I want answers from him, he has good opinions and I need to hear something from him on this. I can’t get Moses to deliver anything to Dave but if I meet a new Moses I am going to see if he can do me a favor.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 4:52 pm

Is it working? Me picking you up? Thank you for your answer. I don’t think the state is talking, they are just releasing evidence right? Why the need to argue it to the public, shouldn’t he do that with a jury of 12? I just don’t get the whole media thing it is going to a trial why use the media for any purpose whether it be to argue the facts or toot his own horn? By the way you look very nice today, love the shirt! Now will you answer these questions also, if you don’t know call Baez and get the scoop PLEASE. I am laughing, I hope you are too, I would hate to give you a headache.

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 5:02 pm

Obviously, no gag order was issued and there’s a reason why. It wasn’t necessary. The point I’m trying to make is that Baez has not exposed his plan. No one knows his strategy. With all of the documents released to the public, not to mention police leaks everywhere, his office has a public relations nightmare on their hands. It does no harm to come on TV once in a while to try to set the record straight about little intangibles that can grow out of proportion by the media and public. It’s all a cat and mouse game and don’t look at Baez as the very first attorney to use the airwaves to make a point.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 5:06 pm

Alright, alright, alright. I guess those answers are good enough. I am betting I am on your last nerve. But when I am thinking I have to get answers. I am sorry. You are so sweet to put up with me.

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 5:42 pm

Laura, you don’t bother me the least. If you asked me to take out the garbage, I’d do that, too.

laura // June 2, 2009 at 6:00 pm

Thank you sweetie. I am off to the airport, it will be bedtime for me when I land but it won’t really be bedtime in Seattle. I will be up with the chickens in the morning. Talk to you soon!

Marinade Dave // June 2, 2009 at 6:18 pm

Have a very nice flight, my dear. I hope to hear from you soon. I wish I could go with you.

lulu // June 2, 2009 at 11:33 pm

Laura-when you and Dave get married can I be a flower girl? Of course, I get to pick the flowers
and there will be peonies. Do they grow in Fla?
Gotta learn about Fla gardening if we’re buying a house.

lulu // June 2, 2009 at 11:42 pm

Dave, I’d like to read about Babette, but I don’t think I could handle it. As my family will tell you, I prefer animals to people. I know I’m going to see them all again in heaven.

frosty // June 3, 2009 at 5:01 am

Dave, I must tell you I like you so much more after reading about Babette. She was lucky to have found you and to have lived such a love filled life.

Pets love us without making judgements about how we look,how much money we have or what our status in life is. They just love us with their whole heart unconditionally.

I have to disagree with one thing you wrote,I think this would be a lovely time in your life to adopt another pet.

Your health problems would be helped by having a new pet in your life. Surely you would enjoy a cat purring on your lap as you write!! Just think how much that would reduce your pulse and BP!!

laura // June 3, 2009 at 6:52 am

lulu, I swore off marriage a long time ago, sorry. The first time I was married was BAD so I will not repeat my mistake. However I would love to know about the flowers (peonies) I planted some three years ago and they bloomed for the first time this year. By the way I made it in one piece, no problems with the flight. It is almost 4 am. I new I would be up early but I think I beat the chickens!!!!

laura // June 3, 2009 at 6:53 am

I knew I would be up early, GEEZ I can’t spell this early!!!

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 9:42 am

Hi, Frosty – Babette was my sweetie, no doubt about that, and she never cared how much money I had or what I looked like. You’re right about that. Maybe, one day, I’ll get another cat, but right now I’ve got some very pressing issues to attend to. Besides, one of my parent’s cats is nuts over me. She just stares and stares at me and cries when I’m not around. Lucy is her name. Thank you for writing. That post about Babette is definitely the real me.

lulu // June 3, 2009 at 9:42 am

Peonies are my favorite flower. Unfortunately they are not my favorite plant. Not much you can do with them after they bloom. Here at the lake we’re still waiting for blooms. And we’re still waiting for warm weather.

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 9:42 am

Good morning, Laura.

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 9:50 am

Good morning, Lulu. The doctor doubled my diuretic medication. Speaking of peonies, I’m peon a lot this morning.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:56 am

Good morning, Dave and Lulu. I like the flowers too. My dad always said you have to have ants to get them to open, I don’t know if it is true or not although I did see ants on them. It has been warm at home for about 5 days then it will be in the 60s so we are back and forth. DAVE lol about peon a lot this a.m. you are silly.

Coreysmom // June 3, 2009 at 10:04 am

Where is this article about Babette?
I’m sure one day a cat will adopt you, Dave.
They know who loves them…

Coreysmom // June 3, 2009 at 10:12 am

lulu, my favorite flowers are peonies, too.
This year, my white peony finally bloomed. It’s a start from a show peony that my neighbor gave me shortly before she died. It is a treasure to me since she was a very good friend.
Have you ever picked the petals and wrapped them in cheesecloth and toss them in a bathtub of very warm water? Heavenly!
I have 5 cats so whenever I pick lilacs or peonies I put them in the bathroom where they won’t get knocked over. A wonderful way to wake up in the morning.

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 10:14 am

Here it is, Coreysmom. Obviously, I wrote this before George Carlin passed away:

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2006/08/21/when-its-time/

Coreysmom // June 3, 2009 at 10:18 am

My dog thinks they are pee-on-me bushes….

Coreysmom // June 3, 2009 at 10:31 am

Thanks, Dave!
I will read it at lunchtime!

People who love cats have the biggest hearts. Me, I’m a dog lover, but hubby loves the cats. I’ve told him that it is my love for him that he is able to have 5 cats!!! They adopted him.
I told him on the last three that he better adopt them out. As soon as I heard him call them by the name he chose, I knew he was gonna keep them. Groan….
Have a blessed day!

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 10:37 am

Thank you, Coreysmom and I hope your day goes great, as well.

I like dogs, but they are a lot more work than cats. If you walk outside to get the newspaper, your dog gets all neurotic and upset because you disappeared for 30 seconds. Cats don’t care. They’re trained to use a box. Yes, you have to clean it, but they don’t have to be taken for walks and with cats, especially outdoor ones, you never have to worry about stepping in poop. Cats are more lap friendly, too. You can go out for hours at a time and the cat’s OK with it. Not a dog. I’ll say this though, I would love to have a dog, but my life is not suited for one now.

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 10:54 am

Coreysmom – Your 10:18 comment just showed up in spam now, over a half hour later. Sorry about that, but I can’t control it.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 1:41 pm

Wow Dave we kind of said the same thing to Knight Owl I hope her and Detwill can work it out. Great minds they are. Really got to go now for a little while.

Dee // June 3, 2009 at 2:35 pm

Whew, glad that is over . . .

laura // June 3, 2009 at 3:26 pm

Dave Seattle is beautiful!!! I have time in between meetings so I am going to go to Pike Plaza, I was told it was a good place to shop for Arts and Crafts. I am staying on 6th so I am right downtown. You really need to make a point to come here.

Dee // June 3, 2009 at 3:50 pm

I did not know who Dr Perper (was)is – so after all of this, yesterday/today, I did a Google on him to check him out, thinking if he looks like a conehead, I might have said something funny about it, then felt badly for it – but I think I’d remember a conehead person – and I didn’t / don’t . . . . So the photos come up – - Oh yeah, I have seen this guy on TV (NG?) – and I never once noticed his head. I just thought his hair was sort of out of whack, sticking up on one side. I think THAT’S funny – on me. I am such a Yo-duh . .

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 3:56 pm

I’ve been talking to an old friend who lives in North Bend, a suburb of Seattle. We haven’t talked in years and he’s a super great guy. He just dropped his wife off at the Seattle airport.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 4:03 pm

Oh how fun you should really try to get out here. I couldn’t live here because of the rain but it is very pretty. I will be back in a little while, off to shop and then meeting.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 8:57 pm

Hey Dave, I don’t know who the new one is that just posted at the place we was at, do you know her?

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:19 pm

DAVE!!! WHERE ARE YOU. I HAVE TRIED HERE AND WITH MAIL. I can’t call you no phone number so now I am screaming all the way from Washington, can you hear me??????

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 9:27 pm

I have seen all those names before. They’ve all come in here at one time or another and thrown garbage out. As soon as I question them for calling people uncouth names, they scream I’m an Anthony lover. I don’t mind them at all and they can still come here, although their priorities are mixed up. Never, not once, ever have I said I love the Anthonys. All I’ve said is do unto others – the Golden Rule, that’s all. I question their moral fiber for acting like school children. That’s all. This Maxineme person specifically called me names. Them’s fightin’ words.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:30 pm

I understand. I was just worried, I thought I killed you or something. You kind of scared me, but you are forgiven.

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 9:32 pm

I’m back. I was “researching.”

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 9:36 pm

No, it didn’t upset me. I’ve said over and over again that it’s flattering when people on other blogs make fun of me. At least I’m a known commodity. Hey, a lot of people don’t like Eminem, but everybody knows who he is.

I was working on a spoof post about one particular person who wrote insulting things about me. I’ve got a much larger audience.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:37 pm

oh good. You know I like Niecey’s place too. But I let her know that I like you too and if that was a problem I understood. I told her you wasn’t a Anthony lover you just don’t like name calling. I hope that is okay with you????

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 9:38 pm

That’s fine with me. When did you say that?

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:38 pm

That is true, but your not very healthy right now and if I kill you Detwill will kill me it is a no win situation for any of us….

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:39 pm

10 minutes ago.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:40 pm

After I read all the comments. It was crazy what I was reading. But she didn’t(Niecey) say anything about you.

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 9:46 pm

No, Niecey only referred to some troll hanging around the MD blog. It was what maxineme said. Go back and read her comment about me. BEES KNEES, of course, backed her up.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:47 pm

Who is the troll? I thought it was me but she said she liked me and that I was a special lady. Renee said we was a CULT!!!! That is one C word I have never been called. lol

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:53 pm

That was rude by the way what she said about you, I just read it. I thought she was here the other day? I thought she liked it here, guess not?????

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 9:54 pm

Funny, Laura. Renee has come in here and dumped on me before. She was strange. She came in, said things that made no sense and ran off. Then, she come back and do it again and again. Finally, she said some crappy things about me and never came back. We even welcomed her, but come to find out later, one of our commenters had gone over to Humble’s site and stirred up the natives. They came over here and took it out on me, like I was the source of the problem, but I didn’t find out until days or weeks later what started it. A handful came in, shit and left.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 9:58 pm

Wow that is rude. I just read what I said about you to Niecey I said I liked you and loved it here, glad I didn’t say love you and like it here. Boy they would all be talking!!! I think I have been up forever and it still is not bed time here. I hate time differences! I hope you are not offended that I left Niecey a message but it was true and I think some people just needed a wake up call.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 10:01 pm

Detwill are you hiding from me today? I do not like you being so quiet!!!! I miss you today.

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 10:09 pm

Laura – you didn’t say anything that offended me. I was very surprised that maxineme, who never got to know me, was so filled with hate for me and extremely vocal about it.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 10:14 pm

Oh good. I really think you are a great person and it is nice that you care about peoples feelings. I get you. At first we had our moments but when you or I really think about it if we take the time and get to know you, you are really good about making us all better people and compassionate people. I should probably let you go to bed, will you be here for coffee? Is Detwill upset with me? I tried to mediate today and I hope she doesn’t hate me, I would be heart broken. I love the ole goat she is so funny. Probably shouldn’t call her a goat but I mean it in a nice way.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 10:16 pm

By the way I wouldn’t worry about what Maxienne said you are very loved by your faithful “followers” omg we are a cult!!!! lol

Marinade Dave // June 3, 2009 at 10:23 pm

Funny. A cult, like Charles Manson or something. The really weird thing about it, as I was perusing the comments on those two blogs, they’re no different from ours in a sense that they like the blog author and the blog author likes the commenters. They call us a cult, but they are no different when getting right down to it.

Thanks for the kind words of support, too, Laura. You’re areal sweetheart. Yes, it is bedtime for me. I will be here for coffee. Maybe around 9 or so. Pleasant dreams my friend and thank you for the help today. Oh, detwill39 isn’t upset with you. You know she likes to sleuth and that takes up her time. When she’s at it, she really goes to town.

laura // June 3, 2009 at 10:30 pm

I hope you have nice dreams too. Thanks for letting me know about Detwill, that makes me feel better.

Coreysmom // June 4, 2009 at 8:49 am

Dave, I’ve learned about the spam thing. Just have patience. It’ll show up. No apologies necessary.

Maybe I am overlooking it, time after time, but where are the archives of articles you have written other than the ones on the Caylee Anthony case?

Dee // June 4, 2009 at 9:08 am

Wow, go home, offline, and all kinds of @$% happens. Guess I will go lurk on some other blogs to see what this all about. I guess I just sort of gave up on most of them – LOL. Call me Cult Member. I don’t like it when the name calling starts. I hate the irrational jibberish. OMG – I am a HATER TOO ! Save me Dave, save me / us – - – Those folks should get a mirror and take a good long look.

Marinade Dave // June 4, 2009 at 9:09 am

Hi, Coreysmom – to the right of the articles is a sidebar. If you scroll down a bit, you’ll see a long rectangular box with images of art and photography I’ve done. That links to Flickr. Directly below that is are ARCHIVES. That’s where you can access all articles I’ve written in the past. There’s a lot and plenty of my older stuff wasn’t all that good, but it’s there, just the same.

Marinade Dave // June 4, 2009 at 9:15 am

Yes, Dee, some words were flying yesterday. I almost felt important.

Dee // June 4, 2009 at 9:38 am

OK, I found one blog – What the heck is CEV?
Man, that was sticky, like walking on the uncleaned floor of a gas station – you know how your shoes kind of stick, and make that sound, schtiiiick, shctiiiick, schtiiick . . . yeeewww. OK, I am going too far and starting to sound like them. Hey, I like you Dave, I understand where you are coming from – I come from there too. And all I can say, that’s nice when I am this riled up is – Way to kick butt, Dave, I stand behind you all the way. Didn’t I say before, those who stand up for what is right, will become a target too? Maybe not in those exact words, but that is what I was referring to. You don’t have to care what they say. Those who know you, know the truth of you. That’s all.

Coreysmom // June 4, 2009 at 9:40 am

Thanks, Dave. You are your own worst critic.
So, that is your artwork and photography? I will have to check that out, too!
Multitalented, you are!

DOH! There is that “Archives” box! If it had been a snake it would have bit me!

Newbie // June 4, 2009 at 9:40 am

Hey Dave, just as long as you don’t get to be the “big wheel.” You know what dogs do to wheels. lol
Almost important….lol

Marinade Dave // June 4, 2009 at 9:42 am

Thanks, Dee. I realized I would be a target for writing this, but I’ve been a target for a long time, ever since I stood by the principle that I didn’t want petty and rude insults being thrown around. This is supposed to be about the case, not how much we can hurt people.

I don’t know what CEV is, but I will try to find it.

Marinade Dave // June 4, 2009 at 9:44 am

Yes, those are my designs. I was a graphic artist for years, long before I chose to write.

Marinade Dave // June 4, 2009 at 9:46 am

Hi, Newbie. Nope, I don’t want to be a big wheel. I like to think of this site as belonging to all of us. I just happen to write articles and moderate comments.

Coreysmom // June 4, 2009 at 9:49 am

Hi, Dee! Methinks one must put their boots on going through the muck on others’ blogs.
Like you said, we know Dave.

He makes for an odd cult leader if you ask me.
But, he is admired by some of us.

Marinade Dave // June 4, 2009 at 9:53 am

Definitely, I am no cult leader and those harsh words are intended to hurt all of you by asserting you are mindless zombies and I am a powerful leader. Disgusting.

laura // June 4, 2009 at 9:54 am

I found out what CEV is, it is a Casey and Jose “virus” kind of like the Casey kool-aid. I don’t know the symptoms but I think we are all safe. lol

Marinade Dave // June 4, 2009 at 9:56 am

A virus? Oh, how inventive. They speak their own language now.

Weezie // June 4, 2009 at 10:00 am

Ok, time for some laughter, are you ready? HERE WE GO…

Subject: BEST EVER BLONDE JOKE

A blonde calls her boyfriend and says, ‘Please come over here and help me. I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can’t figure out how to get
started.’

Her boyfriend asks, ‘What is it supposed to be when it’s finished?’

The blonde says, ‘According to the picture on the box, it’s a rooster.’

Her boyfriend decides to go over and help with the puzzle…

She lets him in and shows him where she has the puzzle spread all over the table.

He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns to her and says,

‘First of all, no matter what we do, we’re not going to be able to assemble these pieces into anything resembling a rooster.’

He takes her hand and says, ‘Second, I want you to relax. Let’s have a nice cup of tea, and then ..’ he said with a deep sigh, . .. . .. . .. .

(scroll down)

‘Let’s put all the Corn Flakes back in the box.’

Marinade Dave // June 4, 2009 at 10:01 am

That’s a very good breakfast joke, Weezie!

Dee // June 4, 2009 at 10:13 am

Hi Coreysmom Good day to ya !
Laura – what do the letters, C.E.V. stand for? Casey Et-all (?) Virus? (Huh? Own language, no kidding.) And what the heck is Casey kool-aid? Is that like believing her lies/drinking the(her) poison?
Funny joke, Weezie )
And you too Newbie, dogs/wheels, LOL.
Dave, the harsh words don’t bother me. At my age, after a certain age, who gives a (^@) anymore – what anyone thinks of me – LOL. OK, we all want to be liked, but when I get blown off, these days, I figure – their loss, not mine. I mean, I am too old for this kind of $#!+. But I run from sociopaths, lips zipped. Really, I do not like becoming a target for a sociopath . . .

laura // June 4, 2009 at 10:14 am

Weezie that is funny. Thanks for the laugh.

laura // June 4, 2009 at 10:15 am

Casey ebola virus. Yes believing her lies. Who would have thought she would have her own virus, too funny…….

Dee // June 4, 2009 at 10:36 am

Weezie – sorry, I don’t know how to make happy laughing face with mouth wide open – it came out with mouth turned down. I L’d-OL – and tried to figure out how to make theat smiley face. Oops.

Dee // June 4, 2009 at 10:38 am

Laura – OOOOOHHHH ! Casey Ebola Virus – thanks for that info.

laura // June 4, 2009 at 10:41 am

Your welcome Dee.

Marinade Dave // June 4, 2009 at 10:56 am

Actor David Carradine, star of the 1970s TV series “Kung Fu” who also had a wide-ranging career in the movies, has been found dead in the Thai capital, Bangkok. A news report said he was found hanged in his hotel room and was believed to have committed suicide.

laura // June 4, 2009 at 10:59 am

How very sad. As tough as life can be I could never commit suicide. I feel bad that he felt he had no other options.

Dee // June 4, 2009 at 11:07 am

I just heard that news too on the radio. I am sad. I have always liked David Carradine. I loved his Kung Fu series (even though he took that part away from Bruce Lee, and it was Lee’s story, his concept, but the producers did not believe a Chinese person could carry it off – it was a time of transition, you know, before Bruce became famous – though I remember my fav part of the Green Hornet was Kato – I just didn’t know who that masked man was). I wonder why Carradine would kill himself. He seemed to have it all. Sad, very sad.

Weezie // June 4, 2009 at 11:13 am

Dee; Love the face and maybe it’s appropriate the way this day is starting out. How do you get those into here? Better yet how do you get the bold type and slanted type? I just don’t know how.

Laura: I agree completely. I thought he was an actor who showed compassion in his work.

It is most sad to hear a person do that. It hurts so many people left behind, with little or no answers and the dogged question of : “Did I really not know this person” or “what if I could have.”… It’s the cruelest form of punishment, regardless of the person’s frame of mind.

Noone wins in this situation.

Dee // June 4, 2009 at 11:19 am

Weezie, hit the colon : (eyes), then dash – (nose) then closing parenthesis ) for smiley mouth. Or opening parenthesis ( for down turned mouth. I thought that if I did an opening then closing parenthesis, I’d get a wide open mouth, but that did not happen. Anyway, it looks like a colon dash close parenthesis when you type it, but it comes up with the symbol when it posts.

LosAngeles // June 7, 2009 at 12:38 am

I loved the Kung Fu TV series starring David Carradine as Kwai Chang Caine.
I loved the Kwai Chang Caine character. The Caine character was totally righteous.
The people who used to harass Caine were so petty, self-righteous, and gross.

LosAngeles // June 7, 2009 at 12:45 am

Dee and/or anyone else, you can also just do this for a smile face; copy what is within my parentheses: ( )
and you must make sure there’s a space before the first colon.

If you want, you can also try:
( ) and ( )

LosAngeles // June 7, 2009 at 12:54 am

Dee and/or anyone else, sorry. I messed up. This time I will put the number “8″ in the middle of what you need to type to get a smile face. But don’t type the number “8″. Just ignore it.

To do a smile face, type what is within my parentheses, excluding the parentheses and the number “8″:
( :s8mile:) and you must make sure there’s a space before the first colon.

If you want, you can also try:
( :l8ol:) and ( 8ops:) again excluding the number “8″ and the parentheses and making sure there’s a space before the first colon.

LosAngeles // June 7, 2009 at 12:56 am

If you want, you can try ( :8oops:)

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