Has the Casey Anthony case inspired the worst in us?

June 29, 2009 · 294 Comments

This post is the third in a series I’ve written about the three separate questions asked in Friday editions of the Orlando Sentinel in print and on-line. The questions are posed each Friday and published the following Friday. It continues that way week after week. As I’ve said before, the three questions usually tackle issues related to international, national and local affairs, but are not always related to only those topics. In this past Friday’s newspaper, one of the questions concerned the Casey Anthony case and I am happy to report that the majority of responses were pretty much the way I have seen it, especially here in the Orlando market. No disrespect to anyone’s television personality or what and who they are outside their jobs, but I’m getting a little bit annoyed by repetitive TV journalists who find shocking and breaking news every single day to keep their stations’ ratings high.

One of the questions was of no importance to anyone outside Orlando since it dealt with sparing police and firefighters’ layoffs. The second question pertained to America’s issue with health care and whether the federal government should reform it or not. 45.8% said yes and 54.2% said no. Bear in mind that the majority of people responding live in the state of Florida, central Florida in particular, although everyone, everywhere, is encouraged to participate each week.

The third question was one that’s been on my mind for some time and I’ve written opinions in the past on blog posts and comments.  Although the results may come as a surprise to some, here in The City Beautiful and surrounding communities, it’s exactly what we expected, I’m sure. Granted, I write plenty of articles about this case, but I don’t sensationalize it, I don’t keep reconstituting the same news and I don’t make a dime off of this story. Following are the question, the percentages and some of the readers’ responses. You can make your own conclusion and voice an opinion. You can also read the rest of the comments made on-line HERE.

Has the Casey Anthony case inspired the worst in the media and community?

YES: 82%

NO: 18%

Here are some of the responses given by viewers. None have been edited:

Worst in the Anthonys

The Anthony case has inspired the worst in the Anthony family as well. Things would not have turned so vicious if the family hadn’t joined in on the unbelievable lies. The media were called in initially by the Anthonys with their stories. Naturally, the other side was heard as well. That’s fair game, I say.

rachael4 Howey-in-the-Hills (from the Web)

It’s about goodness

I think the many posts on this forum expressing love for a 2 1/2 -year-old child who none of us ever met are testimony to the goodness of people … A lot of what is blamed on the media is really the playing out of Florida’s Sunshine Law and the throngs who buy papers or tune in when the Caylee murder is the topic. Morbid curiosity? Perhaps, but more likely the empathetic feelings for a little girl who was … never allowed to live her life.

pamk Mount Dora (from the Web)

Opposite is true

It is quite the opposite. The frenzied media and public were, at first, too aggressive. The Anthonys brought this all on themselves. They start off telling (some) truths, and then begin the lies, the cover-ups, the refusal to take lie-detector tests … It then became a whole different monster.

candi st cloud Merritt Island (from the Web)

Here are more opinions from Friday Back Talk on-line:

KatNZKeys

Too bad the OS could’nt list ALL of us…….

grace

no I dont think so this family is suffering so much also, they are human beings with a very trouble daughter and a big loss we must know also the worst in families to learn to take care of our children

June

I agree with the summation of the question, but it is only human nature to be curious. The Anthony’s put much of this on themselves, and we shouild not be blaming the media for the Anthony’s string of lies, revelations, turn-abouts, and innuendos that obviously need investigation if anyone is going to get to the truth. I would not trust the father, mother, brother, and certainly not Casey.

My biggest doubt has been the competence of Jose Baez. Casey should have taken a plea of insanity from the beginning. Her brother, father and mother should have been able to see the depth of the trouble Casey got herself into….but they apparently share the same lack of being in touch with reality.

We are all entitled to our opinions, and when they involve the death of an innocent child, it is NOT the Public, nor the Press that should be judged.

Without any doubt what-so-ever, we all have the gifted right to our own feelings. This case has hurt to the bone. We want answers. The Anthony’s hold the key to a locked box, and “they” have dangled it in front of “us” for too long.

We (the Press and the Public) could not have shown better respect and love for another human being. Caylee was a beautiful blossoming young girl, whose life was taken from her for the benefit of someone else’s insanity.

Regina

On this link you will find close to 25,000 people, whose hearts were touched deeply by the murder of Caylee Marie Anthony. She has united them in a fight to bring the missing home, to urge lawmakers to re-look the laws that fail to protect Americas’ children from their own parents, who wish to harm them. Caylee has been remembered lovingly by strangers from coast to coast and in other countries. Yet her own family has turned her memories, her photos, her short little story. into their own private ATM machine. While they collect from various media outlets-the state of FL continues to spend taxpayers dollars on this case.

MikeP

I don’t know about bringing out the worst, but coverage of it has definately become annoying. The local media outlets seem to hang on every minute happening like it is headline news.

Anyone lucky enough to not been inflicted with the daily news stories would think Cassy was a mass murderer or serial killer. At most, she is yet another mother who couldn’t handle motherhood and took the “easy” way out. She doesn’t even rate a movie of the week.

There were several more, including the usual suspects that make the rounds blaming all of the world’s woes on the Anthonys and their lies. Those names are familiar to most of us in the world of blogging about this matter and to be honest, their answers didn’t have anything to do with the question and it’s getting old. To them, it’s just another forum for more name calling. What trashing has to do with media and community – the real topic – is puzzling. If the question had been about sending more troops to Afghanistan, they would have said to send the lying Anthonys over there. Back to the matter at hand because it was a question about MEDIA AND COMMUNITY…

I think what produced such lopsided results was the media’s disregard for what news Orlando’s TV market wants to hear everyday. Everything is a BREAKING STORY! and what we are fed are nothing more than asides and incidentals most of the time. An example of this might be a story about the property where Caylee was found. OK, we heard that and then some. Later, the land was offered for sale. OK, we heard that, too, but why do a follow-up about why the property hasn’t sold yet and why is it so important to tell us it’s flooded after the latest rain? Is it really all that important to break into local programming to tell us Casey bought new curlers with her jail money? Those are the things that we hear every day and it explains why it’s getting old. Some day, we’re all going to walk away from this case and I’m already seeing a slow decline in readership around the Internet. Is it more from over-saturation or just from a lack of anything new of substance? God forbid it’s due to anyone losing interest.

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294 responses so far ↓

  • Ina // June 29, 2009 at 8:42 am

    The coverage of this missing- later death- of C.A. has showed a side of American society that I didn’t know was there. I think it should have been kept out of the media, but I know you don’t agree with me on that. You did quite nice most of the time. (Hey I didn’t read all.) Just my opinion. Good luck tomorrow.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 8:58 am

    Hi, Ina – I don’t feel the media should have blinded themselves to this story. News is news and the public responds to stories in different ways. This was one that captured people’s hearts and that’s the way it works sometimes.

  • Diana // June 29, 2009 at 9:08 am

    When the trial starts….the media frenzy will again come out in full force. I think the bloggers have already said everything that needs to be said in this case and with no new evidence to disect…….the interest is definately fading off.

  • Dee // June 29, 2009 at 9:09 am

    The press / media is becoming tabloid – and not just regarding Casey & the Anthonys. I think it is a terrible thing, for this country, for humanity, when we can no longer believe in the ethics and integrity of our journalism / press/ media. Being a journalist once had cache & prestige.

    However – isn’t the press/media just following what people want to hear and read? Aren’t “we the people” the driving force here? Don’t we buy into this – big time – and support the industry, our feet stomping, hands waving, mouths open and hollering for blood ?

    Maybe it isn’t the Casey Anthony case that has brought out the worst in us. Maybe the worst was already there, waiting for something to pounce upon . . .

    Humans through out history have had this mob mentality. When it gets out of hand, the ugliest part of human nature comes calling upon us all. It is up to each individual to rein in the worst of their own nature, and to raise children to be decent and not gossip or participate in ’social’ as well as actual ‘mob lynchings’.

    Naming person/s as scapegoat and stoning them into the wilderness is as old as we are – and so is having the courage to not go that route – to defend the ‘chosen’ carrier/s of all our sins.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 9:14 am

    Hi, Diana – Yes, I think you are right because in my opinion, all bloggers have felt a decline in readership regarding this case. I’ve noticed less comments across the board. If any new documents are released, it will pick back up. In the meantime, I can go back to writing what I enjoy, but I do have a couple more posts about the Anthonys. Thanks.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 9:22 am

    That’s a very good synopsis, Dee. I think media and people become intertwined in stories that have a strong impact, like this case in particular. They feed off each other and perpetuate stories of interest. I don’t know if one thing is to blame because we, the public, are just as guilty as the media. Are people losing interest and ready to move on to something else? Yes, I think so, but I agree with Diana that as soon as something hits the media, the public will jump right back into it.

  • Id'claire // June 29, 2009 at 9:45 am

    Dave, you picked out some of the great responses to the poll. They pointed out things I’ve not thought of and in a very fair way.

    The main emphasis is finding justice for Caylee out of empathy for her. Naturally, in the process, the public is going to hunger for the truth just as the some of the truth is stored for trial, and other truth is twisted.

    Unless the outcome of the trial is that of OJ, many will sigh and be much more at peace when this is all over. Caylee and other murdered children will still be mourned, but it will be as if she will finally be laid to rest.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 10:01 am

    Thank you, Id’claire. It is truly my intent to write things in a way that readers can easily read and decipher on their own. I try to be very fair and I realize one of my traits is to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, including the Anthonys. I think it’s safe to say that people and the media have finally begun to settle down and look at this case with less anger and hatred. I’ll bet you that when one of the defense attorneys said the trial wouldn’t begin for another year, it finally sunk in that most of us couldn’t carry on the fight for Caylee with the same fortitude we all had done for so long. Two years is an awful long time to vent over one crime. Caylee will forever be in our hearts and, yes, a lot of us will not fully rest until justice comes, but life must go on. I do believe that as new information arises, a strong interest will still be there and waiting because that little girl touched us all.

  • laura // June 29, 2009 at 10:06 am

    I think at first the media was doing their job. This crime became so big because of a “lost” little girl and a mother who enjoyed the party life. We now know where Caylee was for “the 6 months she was missing” you would think the story would die down but the media outlets are still trying to keep those ratings. It is no longer breaking news, it is about the money just as in any kind of business the media is out to make money.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Yup, Laura, and they will milk every last drop out of it. To me, it all blends in together and no one can really answer what is news and what is marketing. Take MJ’s death. Throughout the weekend, tributes aired on regular and cable programming throughout the country and better parts of the world. Were they strictly tributes to honor him in death, or were they aired to bring in advertising dollars? You know, cashing in on his death. My guess is that it is always a combination of the two. I just can’t weigh them out and tell which one is more important, but I’m willing to venture a guess. It’s a sad commentary on how media outlets operate and how we suck it all in without realizing the actual logistics of it. There’s no way a story would air unless it could be recognized as a money maker beforehand. At the same time, the media are savvy to what we want to see, hear and read. Ratings, baby, ratings!

  • Kari // June 29, 2009 at 11:30 am

    The information industry is evolving rapidly, has evolved already, into something quite different than it was.

    In this day and age news is entertainment, with amateurs everywhere producing bits for You-Tube, etc. And our entertainment has also evolved to the point that you can’t tell, anymore, what’s true and what’s computer graphics. The emphasis used to be on getting the facts, but it has begun to be more on getting the ratings.

    In fact, mere facts have almost become passe. Now, we want our facts dressed up with entertaining videos, shocking statistics, and eyewitness testimony, complete with bleeped out obscenities!

    I’ll agree with Dee and say the Casey Anthony case has not ‘brought out’ the worst in us, but it has illustrated what has been brewing for a while, now.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Dee – I long for the days when we would all sit around the radio listening to FDR speak during his Fireside Chats. That was when family values were so much more than a distant memory, and we sat down to eat dinner together. Every day was like Thanksgiving and TV dinners had not yet been invented.

    Just kidding, but today, those little sermons FDR used to give would no longer be just fireside chats, they would be called the Duraflame® Fireside Chat brought to you with limited commercial interruptions and you’d be “logging” in, instead of burning one.

  • Dee // June 29, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    LOL – Dave. I didn’t think you were that old (in fact you are 7 mo younger than me :-) ).

    I do recall occassionally, for a special program only, we were allowed to eat in front of the TV, on trays. Sometimes, too, we got a TV dinner . . . My dad, every Tuesday night, at 6pm, when he got home from work, would eat his dinner in front of the TV, watching “Combat”. We got to eat with him :-) .

    Ahhh, those were the days, when kids could go trick or treating by themselves ALL OVER the neighborhoodS and stay out really late and no one worried – kids were safe walking home from school – or left at the neighborhood pool all day in summer while mom worked – And doing something “bad” was smoking – a cigarette – at a friend’s house and putting butts in garbage disposal and getting caught ’cause those butts jambed the thing up . . Oh yeah, we also made randome phone calls – Hello, if your faucet running?

    Sigh. The good ol’ days – except my bro thinks the songs were much more innocent then. NOT. We just didn’t know enough to understand what the songs were implying. Ah Louie Louie, Oh no, I said, baby, Hey, We gotta go, Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Please Please me oh yeah like I please you . . .

    My PARENTS listened to the FDR fireside chats . . .

    Not like today – at all. :lol:

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Wow, Dee, every Tuesday night I watched Combat at 8pm Eastern Time. It was my favorite show, with Sgt. Saunders and Lt. Hanley. My older brother and I never missed it. I can remember sometimes eating on those fold-up metal trays, too. Early TV dinners were in aluminum containers, too.

    Unfortunately, an older neighbor kid got me to smoke early in life. It was the norm to smoke because it made you look cool. Danny Antile was his name. I wish I never met him. My friend Stewart and I used to make prank calls. My sister was good at them, too. Yup, you bring back a lot of memories. Thanks. Now, I feel old.

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Dave~~Ahhh if Franklin Roosevelt came back from the dead, he would be sitting before a gas operated fireplace and clicking away on his laptop. Truman would have the latest ipod and Martha would be going online for her favorite recipes. Hey guys and gals, we live in a world of modern technology and isn’t it great?

    Has the Casey Anthony case inspired the worst in all of us? My answer to that is ‘yes’ and ‘no’, it all depends how you view this case. Does it give you a chance to voice your hidden frustrations? You wanna believe it! If you are the type of person that bash your neighbors or anyone who doesn’t meet up to your standards, you will be the one trying to dig up every little bit of dirt so you will feel superior to the Anthonys. This will make you pump your chest and feel real good. Hey, most of us want to be better than the other person. Right? Wrong!!

    Come on and think about it. Why are you and I here on this blog? No one is forcing us to come in here and voice our opinions. Geez, we have an obsession with this Anthony case and I think we are starting to worry that we have an uncontrolled addiction . We have to blame someone so we will put the onus on the media. It is all their fault for pushing this stuff in our face, day after day. Take the alcoholic, he will blame his rotten childhood for making him hide his pain with all the booze. No no no, it is because there is a bar across from where he lives, advertising Happy Hour, drinks half price. He will never recover until he admits the real truth to himself that it is not the advertising being shoved down his throat. His own hand is tipping the glass to his lips.

    Now let’s you and I face the truth. Why are you and I here? Would we be discussing this post today if a new set of doc was released this morning? Uh uh, we would be like vultures reading every little bit of juicy evidence that cause those little cogs, in our curious brains, to activate. Now who brings those docs to us and all the other tidbits to feed us, you got it, the media.

    Why am I here? I love it. I didn’t know sleuthing could be so theraputic and I need the media to keep supplying me with anything, everything.

    Why is Dave here? It gives him a change to utilize his investigative journalistic talents. It makes him feel good to be able to display that talent in his post.

    Now if you had a choice, would you like to go back to that little boy on the corner shouting, “Extra, extra, read all about it,” or would you prefer, a feisty Kathi Belich, tripping over the other reporters to bring us the latest on the Anthony’s. Come on now, be honest!!

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Me? I would rather be right here, where I’ve met some very nice people and some of us have become friends, not just blog/Internet people. When I first started to write about this case, I had no idea it would explode like it has. Oh, it was big back then, but not as big as it became. At the same time, I now recognize that readership has dwindled somewhat and not just here. Look at the other blogs and comments have dropped.

    Getting back to FDR and the rest, my step-grandfather on my father’s side was an electrician and appliance repairman. He was also a ham radio operator and his basement was loaded with all kinds of electronic gear. He could even talk to the astronauts back then, although he never did because he would have lost his license. My father and I have often wondered what he would do if he could come back from the dead and see what is all around today. It’s astonishing! Knowing him, though, he would pick right up on it. He was still quite alive when radios made the transition from tubes to transistors but what we have today is mind boggling. If I were him and I had a chance to go back to that boy on the corner shouting, “EXTRA! EXTRA! Read all about it!” or Kathi Belich, I’d take Martha Sugalski any day of the week, even if I had to go back in time. God, she’s beautiful.

    That was a very good observation, detwill39.

  • Dee // June 29, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Didn’t mean to make you feel old Davey.
    Remember Davey and Goliath? Clay animation – and what was that space one, Johnny Rocket or something – Clay animation space advernture . . ??

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Dave~~thanks. My gosh man, to you, a woman doesn’t need brains, as long as she is beautiful. In that case, I shall quit chasing you and pursue my man next door. It takes brains to make good biscuits.

    Here is an example of today’s technology. I just watched the tail end of a high speed chase in Texas. Almost instantly, the chopper was overhead and we got to view the chase, live, as it was happening. Why was I glued to the tv? It was breath taking and I got a rush, watching the car weaving in and out of traffic with the patrol cars in hot pursuit. I silently prayed that he would not crash into innocent people. As it ended up, he ran a light at an intersection and was hit by an oncoming truck. The truck driver was a bit stunned and appeared to be okay. The guy being chased had to be cut out of his vehicle by the fireman and was taken off on a stretcher by ambulance. The announcer for CNN prime said the man was unconscious. CNN, in no time, had contact with the authorities in the Texas town. I watched it for approx 10 minutes. Thousands of mile away and I get to see all this….The Media are AMAZING!

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    I remember Davey and Goliath quite clearly. And Gumby. They were both Claymation and on one of them they left a film frame that showed a hand. It popped in and out, but there it was. Johnny Rocket… I don’t think that’s what it was called, but I don’t know for sure. There was one I think had Thunder in the name. I do remember “Supercar” from the early 60s. They were puppets and they used a technology called supermarionation. There were others that were cartoons, but they superimposed real lips to make it look like real talking, only the cartoon didn’t move when they talked. There was also Jonny Quest, but that was in the mid-60s, I think.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Actually, Martha Sugalski is more than just a beautiful woman. She got married last month, too. My old friend, Bill Bauman, who was the general manager at WESH was the one who hired her. I asked him if she was that pretty in real life and he said, Oh My God! She is drop dead gorgeous. He still sees her at the gym. And… she is the mother of 3 children.

    It is amazing what we can see on TV as things develop right before our eyes. Kind of reminds me of the OJ chase. Here in this area, too many innocent people have been killed because of pursuits. After a mother got killed a number of years ago by a police chase, the laws were changed according to whether the crime committed fit the chase. In that case, a kid stole a soda from a convenience store and sped off, with police in hot pursuit. A young mother died over a can of soda.

  • Dee // June 29, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Detwill – Dave – I watched that chase, live, when I went home for lunch. We were all watching it at same time ! Another modern feat. Couldn’t stay long enough to find out what happened to the guy they were chasing, though.

    LA now has laws about chases too, Dave – which is why most of them are slow-mo chases (like with OJ). The cops stay back far enough to give the runner/s room to breathe and take it easy through the pinches. With the choppers in the air always keeping tabs on the runner/s where-abouts, eventually the car runs out of gas, or breaks down, tires go flat – something. The runner/s jump/s out and take/s off, and cops close in.

    There is something to be said about the olden days (lol) – and for the now.

    I think it was Jonny Quest – that I was thinking of – it was one of my bro’s favorites (not especially mine). He loved Mickey Mouse. My fav cartoon – Top Cat :-) Anything with cats – horses – LOL. Typical girl. Oh – I was in love with Peter Noone too, of Herman’s Hermits – which reminds me – I loved Fractured Fairy Tales too – Sherman and Mr Peabody. Remember when the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan?

    Ever seen the AMC tv series Mad Men? It is fantastic – for this time period . . . for understanding what our dads lives were all about.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    I’ve never watched Mad Men, but only because I can just take so many ongoing series and that’s it. Andy Devine used to have a Saturday morning show called Andy’s Gang and there was that frog that sat on top of the grandfather clock… “Plunk your Magic Twanger, Froggy!” Of course, there was Underdog. There are more, but my memory stirs a little more slowly these days.

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Breaking News….A blogger is on the trail of finding the ‘true’ identity of the nanny. I believe he will be looking in familar places to track her down, single handed too. Apparently the nanny has stolen his blog but he is not going to report it missing for 31 days. That will give him a chance to do his own investigation, possibly in a backwards sort of way. For more information, stay tuned right here. As soon as more details come in, I will bring it to you immediately. If you just can’t wait, check it out for yourself right here….

    http://en.wordpress.com/tag/casey-anthony/

    To the gentleman who inquired about the laws in NS… It is legal unless the goat protests.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Goats never protest if you milk them for all they’re worth.

    I think the Department of MFM absconded with Smiley Face for a few days and decided to put it back. Shocking news!

  • Barbie Girl // June 29, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Dave and fans -

    It was fun walking down memory lane with you guys. I can’t believe you all watched the same shows I did. I thought I was the oldest person on here (actually, I think Boston told me she’s a little older than I am.)

    As for this case bringing the worst out in the media, I think the Jon Benet Ramsey case was the case from hell replete with all of the sleazy pictures of Jon Benet Ramsey in here pageant costumes.

    This one started out with the 911 car with “it smells like there’s a dead body in the damned car” and I think nothing like that had ever happened before. Those words of Cindy’s were the most infamous of the year (and that is why when she tried to take them back with the spin about the pizza it was almost impossible to.)

    The Anthony’s were courting the reporters every day out in there yard. They were on the fence in the beginning, if you remember. I wondered how long the honeymoon period would last. I surmised the Anthony’s would get misquoted and suddenly realize the media could be just as much their enemy as their friend.

    These cases go the way of the next case. I haven’t heard a word about the Casey Anthony case since Michael Jackson died.

    And poor Farrah Fawcett was forgotten in the whole sordid MJ saga.

    Life (and death) goes on……

    Barbie Girl

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Hot diggity, I just watched an excellent and inspirational film, “The Great Debaters” starring Denzel Washington.

    Yes, Barbie Girl, we took a long walk down memory lane, and yes, that JonBenet Ramsey case was proof of the media and public lynching her poor parents. Poor Patsy Ramsey went to her grave without exoneration and never once did ANYONE apologize to the family. Everyone thought they were guilty because the majority of people are against child beauty pageants. The Ramseys were hung up to dry.

    I don’t know about poor Farrah. Gee, it was a bad week, starting with Ed McMahon and ending with Billy Mays. I guess it proves that famous deaths don’t always come in threes.

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Dave~~you don’t need a Smiley Face to solicit folks to your blog ’cause you got me Babe’…and I can’t even sing like Cher.

    Barbie~~I often wonder if some folks learned anything from the Jon Benet Ramsey case. The media repeatedly showed pics of Jon Benet in those sleazy outfits. Did this deter some mother’s from exposing their little girls as bait for the pedofiles? If this was the case, then God Bless the media for getting the message across.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    I think what happened there was similar to the Anthony case in one regard: it backfired on the family. The Ramsey’s fatal mistake – no pun intended – was that the photos of their daughter they released to the media were from beauty pageants and it urned the public off to them. People started to accuse them of sexually abusing the girl, all without substance. In the Anthony case, G&C brought stuff on themselves, no doubt about it, but it’s the same lynch mob mentality. To this day, fanatics believe they were involved in the murder and cover-up and they should hang alongside their daughter. In a sense, I can place some blame on the media because they have done nothing to slow the flames of hatred. They are ruthless in their pursuit of (news?)

    I say hallelujah to the got me babe part.

  • Coreysmom // June 29, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Hi, everyone!
    What a lovely lady, indeed! And he ain’t bad lookin’ either! Now, if only Dave had been known by Wendy, the Matchmaker…
    http://www.wesh.com/news/19617465/detail.html
    Hmmm….I feel like watching Rocky and Bullwinkle for some reason…off to YouTube I go! :mrgreen:

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Dave~~you keep putting down the media. Now, like George said to Casey in the jail video, you are the boss. Dave, if you was the big guy who gave the orders to a media outlet , what would your instructions be to them, for getting a story? Keep in mind that there is alot of competion out there. They have to be able to meet the payrolls and keep their business afloat.

    If you and I had separate businesses selling icecream, you darn right, I would put a cherry on the top of my double double scoops (no pun hon) if it meant getting the more patrons.

  • Coreysmom // June 29, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Oh and, uh, very good comment about why we are hungry for more on this case, Detwill39!
    (And I bet Martha’s biscuits are toothbreakers)

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    Hello, Coreysmom! You must mean Wendy Chioji. I’ve spoken to her a couple of times, but I don’t know her personally. If we ran into each other, she’d remember who I am. I hope. Anyway, ironically, she was not only the woman who introduced Martha to her future husband on a blind date, she also lost her job to Martha as head anchor. Wendy was no slouch, either, and she lived through breast cancer. She lives in Utah, I believe.

    HERE is a link to her breast cancer ordeal on Growing bolder. I am also a member of that site. She is a very determined woman and much loved in Orlando.

  • Coreysmom // June 29, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Thanks for the link, Dave. What a woman! I like Wendy! But, she didn’t match you up with a beauty before leaving. Her only flaw, I guess. LOL

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    When my friend, Bill Bauman, took over at WESH, he revamped the news department. Out with the sensational crime stories, in with more compelling news; human interest stuff on top of toned down action segments. A lot of people around here scoffed at him, but I know that man and he is a seasoned television and radio veteran. In a matter of a year or so, he took his station to #1. Of course, it didn’t last as long as he wanted, but he stayed very close to the top for a long time and that was a huge success for Channel 2. WFTV is usually the ratings winner and they do cater to sensational spins on news.

    Let me say this, if the Orlando TV stations could get their hands on autopsy photos of Caylee, I would not air them out of respect for her and her family. WFTV would, I’m sure, but in the long run, I would garner more respect. Would that translate into lost revenues or ratings gains over time? I don’t know, but I just wouldn’t do it.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Oh well, Coreysmom. She still comes back here because it is really her home now, but she moved to Park City, Utah, and she’s completely out of broadcasting out there. She’s quite the lady.

  • Coreysmom // June 29, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    I’m glad that you would not do such a thing. I was a bit miffed when watching HLN and another show where they showed the pic of MJ with the breathing apparatus on him…he was already dead in that pic! UGH!

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    Yeah, I saw it. No, I wouldn’t want to show it, but in the case of Caylee, I don’t see any redeeming value in showing images from a very clinical autopsy. Who wants to remember Caylee that way? MJ, I could understand something like that surfacing because when the picture was snapped, the photographer didn’t know he had already expired. Was it cruel? Yes, but shock and awe are what NG and others of that ilk are all about.

  • Coreysmom // June 29, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    OK, I have to pass this along…(thanks, Ken!)

    ON A BRIGHTER NOTE :
    Snow White, Superman and Pinocchio are out for a stroll in town one day.

    As they walk, they come across a sign:
    Beauty contest for the most beautiful woman in the world.

    “I am entering!” said Snow White.
    After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, “Well, how’d you do?”
    ” First Place !,” said Snow White.

    They continue walking and they see a sign:
    Contest for the strongest man in the world..

    “I’m entering,” says Superman.
    After half an hour, he returns and they ask him, “How did you make out?”
    ” First Place ,” answers Superman. “Did you ever doubt?”

    They continue walking when they see a sign:
    Contest! Who is the greatest liar in the world?

    “I’m entering,” says Pinocchio.
    After half an hour he returns, sobbing, with tears in his eyes.
    “What happened?” they asked.

    “Who the hell is Casey Anthony”???? asked Pinocchio.
    :grin:

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    Coreysmom~~I put a link in that showed Michael after death with the breathing tube. I posted it at ‘When the beat it man stopped beating’….I scanned the web site before I posted the link and the pic of Michael didn’t bother me at all. I am sorry for his family that he has passed. Living people spook me sometimes.

  • Marinade Dave // June 29, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Drum role…………………………………. Good one, Coreysmom!

  • Coreysmom // June 29, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    I can understand the photographer not knowing, but that pic got aired with a disclaimer both times. They knew that he was dead already in that photo. What a shame and how far it will go as we hohum the current sensational news because we’ve seen it before. On to something more tittilating or graphic!

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Coreysmom~~that was a rib tickler…thank you.

  • Coreysmom // June 29, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Living people scare me, too, Detwill39!
    I heard from another commentor that her daughter, 8 years old at the time, saw MJ on TV and started screaming and crying! She was afraid to go to sleep at night for weeks!

  • Coreysmom // June 29, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    You’re welcome! :mrgreen:

  • Kari // June 29, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Hey, thanks, Coreysmom! Now I have two Pinocchio jokes!

  • Kari // June 29, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Dewill, you are a great sleuth, but I think you would be just as great on some other story, or even some other subject. We don’t really need Casey Anthony to keep us talking, do we?

    I hope not, because sooner or later the jig will be up for her, and the whole circus will pack up their tents and go home.

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Kari~~I have followed court cases for eons. I used to play the game Clue with my girls. LOL Now that I am clueless, I love to sleuth and try to solve mysteries.

  • LosAngeles // June 29, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    “Has The Casey Anthony Case Inspired
    The Worst In Us?”

    I can only answer for myself:

    YES!

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    LosAngeles~~I noticed that a lot of ‘Perfect Mothers’ came out of the woodwork. I read it on so many blogs, they knew exactly what they would have done in Casey’s shoes, Cindy’s shoes,…..blab blab blab.. Some castrated George, blamed Lee for incest, and the list goes on and is still going on…

  • LosAngeles // June 29, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Reading your post and the first comment listed from the commenters on the web, I came up with this thought:
    She said that the Anthonys said what they said, and that the other side said what they said. And she said it’s fair game.

    So both sides are heard. I think it’s good that both sides are heard.

    Now the questions become:

    Is one side or the other side going too far with things?

    Are the commenters going too far with things?

    Are the bloggers going too far with things?

    Is the media going too far with things?

  • LosAngeles // June 29, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    I’m sure that a case such as this one can bring out the worst in people. Bottled up feelings that people have had toward the increasing crime and cold-heartedness in the world can easily be brought out by a case such as this. Feelings of grief, feelings of grief mixed with anger, grief mixed with feelings of helplessness, grief mixed with despair and short-temperedness.

    The same thing happened with the Jessica Lunsford case. I was so mad at the Couey guy and so mad at the fact that the cops talked to the Couey and his relatives at their trailer home AT THE SAME TIME that Jessica Lunsford was tied up in Couey’s closet and the police never searched the trailer home for Jessica.

    These type of cases have a tendency of bringing these feelings to the surface.

  • Beatrice // June 29, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Anyone hear any news regarding Haleigh Cummings?
    Interesting how the news media is dead on this one.
    How is it that the media does this? Is it at the request of
    the parents? What’s going on with this “missing” child?

  • Beatrice // June 29, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    Detwill39, If I recall many of us participated in castrating in the beginning. Good that he human being is adaptable and able to review their views.

  • LosAngeles // June 29, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    I noticed that too, Detwill, a lot of “perfect mothers” coming out of the woodwork on so many blogs.
    When someone constantly says, “I would have never done this” and “I would never have never done that,”
    it makes them sound self-righteous and it comes off like someone tooting one’s own horn.

    And blaming Lee for incest is asinine and idiotic.

  • LosAngeles // June 29, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Detwill, I just agreed with you on your comment about the “perfect mothers” coming out of the woodwork, but my comment was not allowed in.

  • LosAngeles // June 29, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    I stand corrected. It has now been allowed in. I thought I may have typed something that WordPress doesn’t allow.

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    LA~~sometimes comments get hung up in spam and Dave has to let them out. Other comments just get delayed in cyberspace due to high traffic. I have comments hung up somewhere.

    Goodnight to all….

    Dave~~Good luck tomorrow…hope you get closer to some answers.

  • Kari // June 29, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    You know what makes me laugh, though, Los Angeles, is when a young woman, or man, says, “Oh, when I have kids, they will never act like that!!”

  • Detwill39 // June 29, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Beatrice~~I never ever took the clippers to George’s family jewels. I generally crimp all my victims and my crimpers have been missing for over a year.

    Goodnight again…

  • LosAngeles // June 30, 2009 at 1:36 am

    That is so funny, Kari. And then they do act like that. The best of intentions….

    Cyberspace sounds like a dangerous place, Detwill.
    :sad: :sad:

  • Wendy Davis // June 30, 2009 at 3:08 am

    The Anthony’s would like nothing better than for this to all go away, so each of them can carry on with their lives as if the little girl did not exist and as if their daughter wasn’t a monster of their making.

    Caylee died at the hands of a woman who was supposed to protect her from harm. When a community sees a child is in harm’s way, they move to fix it. Cindy and George pushed Caylee into the world with an established unstable mother, for a month…with no job, no home, only a car and apparently others’ checkbooks. Yet, for one month George, Cindy and Lee pretended it was destined to end in disaster.

    Now, the community has a responsibility to right their wrong to Caylee. We should have protected you. All of us. And we failed Honey. and This is how I say I am sorry – I am always on your side. That, my message to that little girl who died at the hands of a mad woman.

    Message to Nancy Grace: I thank you for covering this story which such depth. We watched a mother celebrate the demise of her child, by her own hand no less. And the failure to act by the rest of us.

  • Kari // June 30, 2009 at 7:03 am

    I don’t know about the Anthonys, Wendy, but I sure would like it to all go away!

    It is sad that Caylee died. It is sad that thousands of children die every year, and many of them die from abuse or neglect.

    I am not sure that we, as a society, can really do anything to stop it happening. What would we do, have child welfare do weekly inspections at all the homes with children? As a society, maybe the best thing we can do is make safe, legal abortions available to young women, and make it easier both to give a child up for adoption, and to adopt a child.

    I do think we, as individuals, must each do the best we can to help our fellow man and prevent needless suffering and loss of life. Each of us must call in and report cases of suspected abuse. Each of us must take care of ourselves, not becoming too tired, ill, or stressed to care for our children, or other dependents.

    If you want to seriously discuss how to prevent child abuse, that’s my take on it. I don’t really think endlessly recriminating the Anthony family is helping anything. I think they are aware of their mistakes and missed opportunities, and rue them more than we ever could.

  • Id'claire // June 30, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Wendy,

    The Anthonys dearly loved their grandchild, but as Kari said, mistakes were made. Casey had shown before that she could take care of Caylee (although needing help) and that she loved her.

    There will always be unanswered questions such as why George would think Casey could afford to take Caylee on a vacation to bond, when Cindy had just found out Casey had taken money to cover for the lack of. But Casey was a slick chick with her explanations and lies, and she was difficult to deal with when confronted.

    It’s frustrating reading all her friends’ interviews with police, because I wanted at least one of them to have noticed something in order to protect Caylee from death. However, there were no major red flags. As far as they knew and we now know, Caylee had been well taken care of and loved. Things just exploded out of control
    at the hands of Casey one night (or day.)

    Toxicology reports and other trial information may show continual abuse of Caylee, exposure to drugs, boyfriends, etc. but from what we have to go on right now, there’s not much in hindsight that could have predicted Casey’s dark deed. Many parents struggle with personality disorders, stress with grandparents, and financial inappropriateness, but they don’t murder their children.

    The court system is the way we as a society will take care of Caylee.

  • Wendy Davis // June 30, 2009 at 10:44 am

    What Casey needed was a babysitter. For one month, while she was seen publicly without her daughter, there is a very high liklihood that Caylee was duct tapped, drugged with Xanax (Xaney the Nanny) or possibly chloroformed into a sleep-induced state. Now, I don’t know about Florida but in every other state, leaving a child in the car alone is a serious offense. Casey’s main goal, I believe, was to keep Caylee asleep until she was finished doing whatever she was doing (leading a single life, by all appearances). There is an example to be made by this case or young single mothers everywhere, who are pushed beyond the brink, will actually entertain the idea of drugging or murdering their child to return to the single life. Casey may have loved Caylee, you don’t know that for certain. Real love is not something a sociopath feels. Caylee has no voice. And Casey, as I listened to her interviews, said the word “I” in every sentence – Her daughter’s death, by whatever means, has not caused Casey the misery that the loss of her freedom has. Casey Anthony deserves to die for this. She is a cold, calculated murderess who has no remorse, none whatsoever. “I am sorry.” That is all she would have had to say for me not to feel this way. Dysfunctional families react to emotions that are anything but loving, love surfaces in dysfunctional families on Christmas and birthdays and that is about it. The remainder of the time, it is mixed messages, battle of wits, power struggles and revenge.

  • Kari // June 30, 2009 at 10:47 am

    You kind of sound like you’re speaking from experience, Wendy?

  • Coreysmom // June 30, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Good comment, Kari.
    My only disagreement would be the abortion part of it. I believe since abortion has been legal in the US it has caused a spirit in this nation that devalues a child’s life. We have adults raising children that know the choice of life was given them by their mothers…that they themselves could have been aborted. In turn, they know their own child’s life was given to them by choice. It is no longer a gift to have a child but a choice.
    What many do not know is that abortion has always been a legal medical procedure in the US. Specifically done in cases of the mother’s life being at risk and for incest/rape situations. Roe v. Wade was for the sole purpose of birth control. Thing is, it leaves the mother emotionally and physically devestated afterward, where the pill does not. Access to the pill would be a better solution.

  • sunny // June 30, 2009 at 11:16 am

    It’s not the fault of the media, (except Nancy Grace and Kathy Belich) or the Anthony’s, that a lot of people have acted like throngs of torch bearing village idiots out to lynch a “child killer” who has yet to be convicted in a court of law.

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Caylee was murdered on June 16th. She was in the trunk of the car from date until she was disposed of in the woods off Suburban drive around the 19 or 20th. The month prior to Caylee’s death, she stayed overnite with Casey at Richardo Morales. Richardo, Casey and Caylee all slept in the same bed. Caylee went to Tony Lazarro’s with Casey and at other times Cindy baby sat.

    Casey did not need a baby sitter because she was not working during the months prior to Caylee’s murder. It is unknown if Casey drugged Caylee when she went out partying with her friends. Caylee would never have survived, had she been drugged and left in the trunk of the car. She would have succumbed to the Florida heat.

    During the 31 days that Caylee was supposedly missing, she was dead and Casey partied and led the good life.

    In front of her parents and friends, Casey came across as being a devoted mother . We often wonder if Caylee was abused when alone with Casey. We will probably never know those answers. Casey has never shown any remorse for losing her child and this is typical of a sociopath. They have no conscious and are only concerned about themselves.

  • Wendy Davis // June 30, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    I don’t know what you mean with regard to “talking from experience.” However, I was left alone by a single mother who preferred the bars on Saturday night to reading children’s books to her children.

    Providing misleading information and blatant lies during the early part of this investigation, 30 days after she had last seen her child, is enough to make any reasonable person conclude the obvious – accidental death would result in a mother so burdened with guilt, she’d be unable to function this early in the event.

  • Christy Davis // June 30, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    I too have followed this case and my heart broke to hear of this child being harmed.

    I’d like to challenge all those that have been touched by this case to find a Missing Person in your area that you can sponsor. You can list the flier or picture in all networking sites you visit. You can bring awareness in your community and workplace of the need to look for your sponsored missing person. Many times you can join in searches. If each person sponsored a missing person in their area it would go a long way to finding our loved ones.

    One person can make a difference.

  • Beatrice // June 30, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Read today’s story re: A 6 year old being lured into a man’s home. Him chaining her spreadeagle with all intent to complete a horrible crime. Apparently the girl was a friend of his son’s. Will he turn out to be a sociopath?
    WHO could have stopped this horrendeous act.

  • Marinade Dave // June 30, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    I’m back, but I have prescriptions to fill and a friend to go see for a little while. I will be back later on. I left a comment on the Health eConversations page.

  • Beatrice // June 30, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Christy, I like where your heart is, our energy could well be spent in helping in some way.
    Again, has anyone heard a word about little Haleigh Cummings? Is she at least still in the news, at least in Florida.

  • LosAngeles // June 30, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    The sixth commenter from the web who was featured on this post said:
    “we should not be blaming the media.”

    I think there’s plenty of blame to go around:

    1 the pro Anthonys
    2 the anti-Anthonys
    3 the bloggers
    4 the commenters
    5 the media

    I don’t think any group is exempt from blame at one time or another, remembering that groups are made up of many individual parts.

    I agree with Id’Claire when she says:

    “The court system is the way we as a society will take care of Caylee.”

  • knight Owl // June 30, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Hi Dave and everyone, that is a great controversial topic. I first thought yes and no just like Las Angeles did, but i continued to give it more thought before posting. I now say it brought out the Best. Reason being, with all that is going on in our world these days, nothing shocks us anymore and with so many missing and murdered children by the hands of loved ones or suppose to be their loved ones, it can tend to harden a person, not hardening where they don’t say when they hear the news, “that poor child and feel sad for the child”, but hardened in the sense to say just another kid killed by their sorry family member, then move on, as seems we can do little to stop what we cannot forsee unfolding in a household a child lives in . Caylee’s case being so high profiled gave us an inside look at how people’s hearts all over the world are still unhardened and break when a child is the victim and were still on the right side together no matter how we voice it in words we write, the meaning is still the same to all who love children, we want justice for them~~

  • Id'claire // June 30, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Wendy, you are right that Casey probably did not “love” Caylee, but she appeared (pretended?) that she did in front of others. Love means many things. I’m sure you felt loved sometimes from your parents, while other times, like when you were abandoned, you took the back seat to your parents’ other “love.”

    Perhaps Casey loved Caylee at one time, in her own way, but the many discords in her life changed Casey. I don’t know if people are sociopaths from the get-go, if they become them, or if simply things trigger the sociopath characteristics to act out, whereas normally controlled?

  • Beatrice // June 30, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    LA, 2:54 pm. I agree.

  • LosAngeles // June 30, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    The sixth commenter from the web who was featured on this post said:

    “My biggest doubt has been the competence of Jose Baez. Casey should have taken a plea of insanity from the beginning.”

    If Casey is stupid enough not to take some kind of plea at the beginning,
    I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

    Casey is not a 12-year-old minor. She’s a 22-year-old adult.

  • Id'claire // June 30, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Coreysmom, I second you on the abortion issue. There are many persons waiting to adopt…waiting lists.

    Caylee was just as precious before her birth as she was at 2 1/2.

    Many families sacrifice to raise grandchildren. That’s what the Anthonys were doing. Everything was working…that is they were struggling, but babysitting and giving $$ to the point of keeping Great-grandma from putting Casey in jail. In some ways, they were covering up for Casey, in other ways, they were just trying to make everything piece together so that Caylee could have her mom and the family could function together.

    Cindy knew there were problems, but she had no idea and no way of knowing what Casey was capable of doing. She still may have no idea, and this is the sad part…as well as incomprehensible.

  • LosAngeles // June 30, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    In your post featuring the question that was asked on a news website and featuring some of the commenters answers you state:

    “Their answers didn’t have anything to do with the question”

    I noticed that too.
    I found that very interesting.

  • Barbie Girl // June 30, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Dave and the gang — As far as comparisons to the Ramsey case, I think in the beginning everyone had empathy for Cindy and George. They impressed me anyway as trying to comprehend what was going on.

    Because the Ramsey’s got “lawyered up” so early on for no apparent reason everyone assumed they were trying to hide some guilt.

    Cindy and George paid for their openness in the beginning. The 911 tape where Cindy first referred to the death smell in the car, and George’s haunting revelations about knowing the familiar smell and not being to shake it off, will haunt the both of them forever.

    I think many of the pictures of both children became sensenationalistic. Obviously and unfortunately death pays in this day and age.

    We may never know anymore about Caylee’s last days than we will ever know about Jon Benet’s.

    It wasn’t until Chandra Levy died that the media stopped reporting about the Ramsey case.

    When I think about the Caylee Anthony case I wonder….what next?

    Barbie Girl

  • LosAngeles // June 30, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Oh, for sure death pays in this day and age, Barbie. We’ll probably never know about Caylee’s or Jon Benet’s last days.

  • Coreysmom // June 30, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    knight owl @ 3:00pm, good comment! You are so right…no matter how we have expressed our feelings about the Caylee Anthony case and its players, it does show that many have not turned apathetic to such horrendous crimes.

    Christy, you have a wonderful idea! Just about everyone of us could do something, be it a little or alot, to help find missing children in our own areas.

  • LosAngeles // June 30, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Wendy, I don’t think Caylee’s death was accidental either.

    That was very poignant, Knight Owl.
    It seems that deep down inside there is still a part of people that is not hardened, and sometimes it’s a very jarring case or a high publicity case that brings these feelings of love to the surface.

  • LosAngeles // June 30, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Beatrice, I wonder if that 6-year-old girl turned out to be dead, and if the man was caught. I’ll try to find out.

  • LosAngeles // June 30, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    I would like to have been a fly on the wall when Casey was alone with Caylee, Detwill. I wish I could find out those answers.

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    LA~~the fly on the wall would have watched the nanny (Casey) pay little attention to Caylee. The nanny was too busy on the puter or her cell sending text msges and calling all her boyfriends.

    Casey and the nanny are one in the same. Casey even put ‘nanny’ on her resume (per George’s interview with FBI)… When Cindy asked Casey what message she wanted to give Zenaida, Casey said, “tell her we forgive her.”

    Something to think about huh?

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Roy Kronk’s lawyer gets another $2,500

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-casey-anthony-roy-kronk-063009,0,2354756.story

  • LosAngeles // June 30, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    I remember that, that Casey had put nanny on her resume. That is something.

  • Newbie // June 30, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    this should be interesting tothose who watch Nancy Grace.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m6d30-Nancy-Grace-to-feature-Cindy-Anthony-in-upcoming-2part-special?cid=examiner-email

  • Marinade Dave // June 30, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    I’m back, but I’m not really in the mood to discuss much today.

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Dave~~that is quite understandable. Take all the time you need. We all love you !!

  • Kari // June 30, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Coreysmom, thank you for your intelligent response. I know the topic of abortion is a very emotionally and politically charged one, and you stated your position clearly and logically. I do understand your feelings and I think everyone, without exception, would agree that if the pregnancy is viable, adoption would be the better option.

    I’m not quite sure of how abortion changes the ‘gift of life’ to a choice–in any pregnancy, two people made a choice to lay down together (except for rape, of course.) And yet, every pregnancy is a gift as well, since there are people longing to conceive but unable to.

    But I can’t help reflecting that many children suffer such horrible abuse that the ‘gift of life’ was more of a curse than a blessing. Better for them, and for the person who tortured them, if they had never been born.

    Christy Davis, thanks for your inspirational words.

    Id’Claire, I concur with your description of the Anthony family circumstances, I think that’s a reasonable picture you’ve built up. In Caylee’s case, she appears to have had a good life, loved and been loved by her family, until something happened to her in Casey’s care. I would not say that it were better for Caylee if she had never been born. Though Casey might be thinking it. The ideal situation for Caylee might have been if Cindy and George had legally adopted her, but they apparently had no inkling that anything so tragic might happen to her.

  • Marinade Dave // June 30, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Thank you, detwill39. That is very much appreciated. The Nitrostat prescription came in a regular bottle dispensed by pharmacies everywhere, but when I looked inside, there sat a little glass bottle with tiny pills inside. The directions state: TAKE 1 TABLET SUBLINGUALLY THEN CALL 911, although my doctor said to place one under my tongue. It will fizz a little. If, after a couple of minutes, the pain doesn’t go away, put a second one and if after a few minutes it doesn’t work, do a third one. If the pain is still there, go to the emergency room. My EKG showed a few abnormalities this time.

    Imagine that… sublingually. I learned a new word today.

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Dave~~the nitro pill will give you a ‘rush’ and maybe you will feel a throbbing in your head. This is normal. With hubby, the doc told us to only do it twice. We were also told to try the first one when he did not have any pain. I guess to get used to the feel of that rush and know what to expect.

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Dave~~I never heard of that word either. The little pill is placed under the tongue and it dissolves very fast. The pills also have an expiry date and lose their strength when they get old.

  • Kari // June 30, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    A sublingual is better than a suppository!

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    Newbie~~thanks for the heads up on Cindy being on the Nancy Grace show in two parts. I bookmarked the page. You are a sweetie!!

  • Id'claire // June 30, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Wow! Do you think NG will be…kind??

    What will Cindy think? She should have Conway speak on her behalf of the cruelty and anguish this show will bring her. Or, she could take NG up on her offer to co-star in person.

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Id’claire~~Nancy will probably just show all the videos of Cindy. I don’t think you could pay Cindy enough to appear on Nancy Grace in the flesh. Nancy does these rerun shows when she takes a vacation.

  • Coreysmom // June 30, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Dave needs a hug?

    {{{hugs}}}

    :mrgreen:

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    How Casey disposed of the body without being seen on the street…

    http://casey-anthony.com/

  • Diana // June 30, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Wow *Detwill
    That’s the first I’ve seen that disposal theory. My thought though is this……………..Casey is a small woman only weighing a little over 100 pounds (back then), so how on earth could she carry Caylee who weighed probably 30 pounds all that way? And also ……….does a body weigh more in death?

  • Beatrice // June 30, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Detwill39, 9:37 pm That has been mentioned, but as I heard the theory, Casey drowned Caylee in the family pool and went partying She left Caylee in the house for Cindy, George and Lee to find, they each took a turn putting a piece of duct tape over Caylee’s mouth (that’s why so many pieces were oddly placed) George put the sticker on the tape then they put Caylee in one trash bag
    each. sneaked out the back making their way through a path, into the woods, each taking their turn carrying Caylee because she was such heavy a burden, once there, they all said their prayers and dumped Caylee.
    However, it is questionable if they all were so brave to go out into a flooded snake filled area. George feels bad about it all.

    Dave, in answer the question of this post.
    Yes! To ” Good, Bad and Ugly.”

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Diana~~I have no idea if that is the path Casey took to dispose of Caylee. A ‘dead weight’ does describe the weight of a deceased person which is much heavier. It is strange that Cindy had mentioned to Yuri Melich, I believe it was left on his voice mail, “she had to have had help.”

    I wonder how thoroughly LE checked out Patrick Bougeous (sp), the first visitor she had at the jail. There was something strange about that visit.

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Beatrice~~where did you hear that? Someone had a very outlandish imagination.

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    Here is the video of Patrick Bourgious. He mentions a Mike Walker that seems to make Casey perk up a bit.

    http://www.wftv.com/video/18206761/index.html

  • Beatrice // June 30, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Detwill39, Stories come down the pipeline, probably a play off your link, where did that one come from? When I first read your link. I thought of how long Caylee was supposed to be in Casey’s car and start to decompose,
    so neither thought makes sense.

  • Detwill39 // June 30, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    Beatrice~~forensics stated that Caylee was in the trunk for approximately 2 1/2 days. (source-documents)

    When I post links to what I think may be of interest, I do not necessarily believe it.

    Is there anything in this whole case that makes any sense?

  • Diana // July 1, 2009 at 8:36 am

    I find it an amazing stroke of luck for Casey to have dumped Caylee and not one living soul witnessed any of it. She must have chose a time when most people was working. I forget the timeline that the neighbor saw her backed up to the garage.

  • Kari // July 1, 2009 at 9:10 am

    Beatrice, that’s a joke, right?

    Detwill, I find it easier to believe that she pulled the car over, stumbled a few steps into the underbrush and just slung the bag as far as it would go. But that’s just my imagination talking, because I really haven’t studied the location, nor do I know how dense the Florida underbrush is, etc. A telling point would be if Kiomarie told the route they used as kids to get to their secret spot in the woods. Was there a path? Did they enter the woods from Casey’s yard?

  • Diana // July 1, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Kari*
    I have always had that vision as well. Knowing how lazy Casey is. I just don’t see her carrying a heavy baby very far. It would have only taken her seconds to toss Caylee and drive away. It’s too bad that she was not seen by anyone.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 9:53 am

    All I can say about it is that the body was not found exactly where that video points to, and detwill39 just added the link for us to look at, not necessarily believe. The street dead ends at the school. On Suburban, from Chickasaw Trail to Lumberton Drive, there are houses on both sides of the street, but that’s where houses that face the street stop. The houses on Lumberton and Hopespring Drives face those streets only and if someone was standing in their front yard, the wouldn’t have been able to see a thing.

    If you look at the house on the corner of Hopespring and Suburban, the one where the back yard leads to the area where the body was found, what you don’t see is a long privacy fence. You’ll notice that little clearing that leaves an oval impression in the woods. At the end of that is where the fence stops. There is a clearing and Casey could have parked her car and walked into that area and partially into the woods to give the body a heave. That would have placed the body and evidence where most of the remains were discovered. The reason why no one saw this occur is twofold: One, that’s a working class neighborhood. She disposed of it during working hours, when she knew it was the best yime that no one would see her. Two, school ends in May. There was no activity there and no reason to drive to that end of the street.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 10:08 am

    I left you a voice mail. I have a meeting at 10:30. I do no think anyone other then Casey disposed of Caylee. Good morning everyone!

  • Dee // July 1, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Good morning Laura, Dave, everyone. Detwill you are just amazing, with what you find and link for us, as well as what you can recall, imagine, etc. Dave too. Thanks :-) This is the greatest blog.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Good morning, Laura. I will call you later.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Thank you, Dee. I don’t know about the greatest, but if it is one, then I will give you and the other commenters credit for it.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 10:34 am

    I like your humor, Beatrice, but I wonder, out of “the good, the bad, and the ugly,” who could possibly be the good here besides law enforcement? Actually, they don’t count, so that leaves us with few options. Zenaida Gonzalez? John Morgan? OK, Roy Kronk, maybe.

  • Id'claire // July 1, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I find it more amazing that a neighbor remembered her backing her car into the garage than Casey disposing of the body unnoticed.

    The neighbor said this was unusual, and noting any unusual activity is helpful. I simply would not remember if my neighbors did anything such as this.

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Larry King~~ interview with George and Cindy Anthony

    Brad Conway states that there was no duct tape on the skull.
    Brad Conway states that there was no heart shaped sticker on duct tape.
    (We already knew that.) He said there was evidence found in bag and at the scene
    but they weren’t put together.( Brad didn’t say that there was residue on the duct tape
    in the shape of the heart. He also didn’t say that a heart shaped sticker was found
    at the remains site.)

    Cindy states near the end of the interview. “We have no proof that Casey didn’t do it.”
    Then she gets a little flustered because she blurted out the truth.

    George says that they didn’t have much of a chance to talk to Casey since she was arrested.
    Cindy looks at George and say, “oh yes we did, when she was home, we talked to her.”
    George looks like a whipped dog.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/14/lkl.george.cindy.anthony/?eref=rss_us#cnnSTCVideo

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Luck had it, or whatever it was, that the neighbor, Brian Burner had just returned from a one week vacation from Chicago with his family. He still had a week to go and hung around his house. He was sitting on his sofa when a bright light came through his front window and struck his eyes. It was a reflection from Casey’s car. It was the first time, as a neighbor, that he had ever seen Casey back her car into the driveway and he found it to be peculiar enough to remember. That was a good break, despite it being legal to back into one’s garage.

  • Wendy Davis // July 1, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Who is to blame, you ask? Try blaming Casey for creating a situation which was sensational. Throw in an intact middle class family who, by all appearances, were typical even with a young unwed mother. The attempt at trying to find an excuse for why Casey did this is just utterly ridiculous. Casey has shown the world she knows exactly what she is doing. Thank God for the media.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    I think Conway is just a lawyer like any other lawyer that tells skewed versions of the truth. The prosecutor, in any type of case, may say it’s as clear as the difference between black and white. Conway would argue that black comes in many shades of gray and when added together, they become black, although that is clearly not true. He could also mask evidence by using another ploy, that white is the absence of any color, when the answer is really that white is the inclusion of ALL colors. It’s all in interpretations of facts and semantics.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Hi, Wendy – I don’t know who you are directing your comment to, but Casey is to blame, lock, stock and barrel. As for the media, OK, I’ll thank them to a certain degree, but they try to raise their ratings (and advertising revenues) by sensationalizing everything. It’s not just about this case. It happens with every major story and that includes this one. A case in point would be if one lawyer, a legal consultant for a particular TV station or cable show, disagrees with a lawyer, the equivalent, from another TV station. Which one is right and which one is wrong? There is no question in my mind that media love to outdo each other and that’s when the facts are sometimes distorted.

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Hi guys. Interesting conversation. I would like to know the how and the whys to this case but I do not think we will ever really know! Dave do you think she went to the woods during the day?

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Hi, Laura. I don’t know, but I am inclined to believe that she did it during the day, if she has any sense, anyway. The reasons why I think that are because there’s less traffic in the neighborhood during the day, when people are at work and school’s out for the summer. At night, people are home, running around, on their way home, or walking somewhere in the neighborhood. There’s more activity. Plus, if she went there at night, she would either have her headlights on or nominally, she would have had to step on her brakes at some point, lighting up the area and risk being seen. That’s my guess. During the day, she would have had the opportunity to scope out the neighborhood. I’ve been there during the day, when people are at work, and it’s like a graveyard. No activity whatsoever. The perfect time to dispose of a body. Obviously, it was not the perfect spot and that will help Caylee one day rest in peace.

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    I got you. My neighborhood is busy all the time. I wonder what made her throw Caylee there? I mean she didn’t have a job so she had plenty of time to go anywhere and she choose a mile from the house. I think I have to work for a little while in the morning we just got our budget for the next to years and I need to work on spread sheets.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    I think she placed her in the woods because of poor planning and sheer laziness. Is it OK to call?

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    yes

  • Id'claire // July 1, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    There are several things that don’t make sense in this case, but there are also things that came together quite nicely for the sake of putting things together, such as:

    The neighbor noticing Casey’s car,
    The car being impounded,
    Excellent surveillance at Target, Bank, and Video store
    Cindy and George’s initial gut reaction and cooperation
    The video with Grandpa (for time line)
    Kronk’s find

    I’m sure there’s more facts. Who knows how long before Caylee would be declared missing if some of this didn’t come together?

  • Id'claire // July 1, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Caylee might have been heavy to just heave into the woods, but adrenaline, anxiety, and danger can enable people to do the phenomenal.

  • Id'claire // July 1, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Wendy,

    Finding an excuse as to why Casey committed this crime is ridiculous in some regards, yet at the same time, the Prosecutors seek motive and many of the rest of us seek answers to something so horrific, especially from an intact middle class family, in which she has all she and her daughter needed to survive.

    Perhaps at trial, it will be more clear as to an “excuse” for Casey, so that her parents can face the facts. They are standing by Casey, but from everything I’ve heard (which ain’t much), Casey is not standing by or acknowledging them.

    I hope George and Cindy can really make a go of KidFinders in a positive way if that will do them good.

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Cindy and George have started their own foundation. It is separate from Kidfinders. Anyone thinking about donating to either one of these foundations, should thoroughly check them out first.

    http://www.cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.net/

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Here are a few questions to ponder?

    Is Baez advising Casey not to allow visits from her parents?

    Do Cindy and George have no desire to visit with the murderer of their beloved Caylee?

    Do Cindy and George go on tv in defense of Casey or are they really trying to promote their new foundation?

    Do Cindy and George feel they need to stay in the limelight to promote their foundation? eg: (1)tv appearances (2)chasing up and down Suburban stealing crosses knowing it will make the news (3) getting their lawyer to file a frivalous motion to stop the release of the autopsy results, another news maker (4) appearing at court hearings when Casey is present, knowing they will be filmed by media.

    Do you really believe that Cindy or George will not receive an administrative salary from their new foundation?

    I posted these questions as ‘food for thought’ and do not reflect my own personal opinion.

  • Id'claire // July 1, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Gee, I don’t have George and Cindy figured out.

    On one hand, they are supporting their daughter to the point of defending her innocence. At the Memorial it was all love and kisses.

    Yet, they do not visit her. I understand there are letters. Conway said they want to very much visit her, but Baez said No, no.

    And yet, what is the interaction in the courtroom? I heard someone’s analysis that Casey doesn’t acknowledge them.

    I don’t think they were looking for media attention in the cross-bearing, but why were they out there? Are they so enraged at crosses and such? Isn’t it sorta out of their way to even go by there? Why were Kidfinders or whatever there as well…lights blazing?

    I just can’t wade through the real and the promotional stuff.

    Also, I thought their foundation wasn’t doing too good, cept for the purchase of a boat. So many people are keeping their distance and don’t want their support. If I couldn’t find a loved one, I’d want any help I could get, I spose, but if there were other groups available, I’d look last at the Anthonys.

    Good questions, Detwill39! You know we don’t have the answers, but they do help us look at other angles on all this…..while we wait….

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Those are very good points to ponder, detwill39. I have some answers, but I’d rather give everyone else a chance to proffer their views.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    Something inside tells me that the Anthonys were instigated by the others and that’s what started the whole mess up the street with tearing out crosses. It wasn’t like G&C drove all the way down to St. Cloud. It was more like the other way around. Something also tells me that there may have been some horn blowing or another way of letting them know that a couple of former friends were about ready to do something. I don’t know for sure, but the prosecutor chose not to file charges against them.

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    I think George and Cindy would love to see their daughter. I think Jose is against it for the most part, however I have no idea why she ignores them in court. Unless she some how thinks this is all their fault. I believe when they go on tv their primary function is to promote the foundation. I think that was the purpose of their last visit to Larry King but first he wanted to get some things answered for all the people who wrote to his show. HI DETWILL! I hope you are well.

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    I think when they go to court they just want to see their daughter. I would want to see my daughter and since they can’t go to the jail and see her they have to go to court.

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    I will check back in later for responses me and the girls are going to see a movie.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    Have fun, Laura! I agree with you on both comments.

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    Dave~~Lois set the bait and Dennis Milstead took it. He needed a willing posse so deputized Cindy and George. Dennis didn’t get to play Cops & Robbers when he was a young lad. He is making up for it, in his later years though.

    Life must get pretty dull when the bass aren’t biting.

    We will put the blame on Milstead but we have to charge the deputies with assessories after the fact. If Sherry Milstead was Dennis’ partner in the high speed chase, she deserves the slammer as well.

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    What do I have to do to communicate with Laura, set up a conference call??

    I cannot penetrate phone call and sleuth.

    Dave~~release my knowledgeable comments…

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    It’s released!

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Dave~~I heard your little growl but it was sexy.

    On a serious note….Dennis and Sherry’s home went into foreclosure and was to be sold the end of June. They were trying to get an extension on the sale date. I heard, once, they may move in with the Anthony’s.

    I hope I am not beginning to sound like another Kathy Belich. I am an admitted nosey sleuth.
    Maybe they have some sort of recovery program for my malady.

  • Marinade Dave // July 1, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    I don’t know anything about the Milstead’s future living arrangements, but my guess is that they aren’t going to move in with the Anthonys. For one thing, Lee’s there now and I seriously doubt G&C are going to clean out Caylee and Casey’s things to make room for them. I don’t see that as a very comfortable situation.

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Detwill, no conference call needed I have been very busy. The state that I lived in just finished the budget for the next two years so I have/am busy trying to figure out how much each school will get and how much money each prison will get. I think about 2000 teachers are going to be let go, no money for them. Anyway I am still around I check for your comments a couple of times a day. If it makes you fill any better I would rather be in here then working. :)

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    laura~~I miss you asking me to sleuth around and find things for you.

  • Id'claire // July 1, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Detwill, keep up the nosey sleuth routine and any more pondering questions.

    At least we know you aren’t making up stories to make things make sense…we’re just passing around a thinker or two.

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Detwill can you find me 20 million dollars for our local school system? lol I miss being here.

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Id’claire~~thanks. As long as there is someone who appreciates my snooping, it will give me an excuse to stick my snoot in anything and everything.

    Is there anything in particular that you would like me to try and find? Oh please…say yes.

  • Sheron // July 1, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Great post and comments, as always!!

    Mike P really kind of hit it on the head. I loved the “not worthy of a movie of the week.” Really, he’s right.

    What’s bothering me is the mystery surrounding what really happened. I mean other than the obvious – it bothers me that Caylee is dead, apparantly by the hands of her own mother.

    I just want to know what really happened. I just do. And the posts, comments, and sleuthing in this blog are so insightful. If not for MD’s blog and all the people commenting – I might not be following this case.

    I learn something new, or another clue everyday here.

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    laura~~that is so sad….all the pending lay offs. It is the same all over. You have your work cut out for you but it must be heart breaking when there are no coins left in the cookie jar.

  • Sheron // July 1, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Oh! Detwill wants a challenge!

    How about this. I want to know if Casey left on the 15th angry and took Caylee to Lee’s apartment to spend the night. His apartment was nearby, and I believe I read he was not home. I tried to decipher Casey’s cell records on the 15th, and could not make heads or tails out of it. I want to know if she called Lee on June 15th in the evening.

    Go girl!! :)

  • laura // July 1, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    It is hard. The county schools will get more money then our public school system. The kids in the public school come from poverty so it is sad to take more from them.

  • Sheron // July 1, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Oh shoot Laura! I’m sorry to read that. The last thing America needs right now is 2000 teachers let go.

    I just want America to stop acting scared and be brave. Band together and show how tough we are.

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Sheron~~there is no record of Casey calling Lee on the evening of June 15/08.

    Dave would be the best one to figure out how far Lee residence was from Hopespring. Dave’s research put Casey in the vicinity of her home on the evening of June 15th.

    I would think that Lee would have mentioned to LE that Casey stayed the night at his place on the night of the 15th. I have not read anything about Lee not being home. I generally try and get the facts from interview, etc with LE.

    Here is some info that I found at another site.

    Sunday, 6/15/08

    @ ~9:12AM Cindy and Caylee left for Mt. Dora (see Conway toll 9:27AM – 15 mins to toll from G&C’s per Google Maps)
    Per E-Pass records here

    @ ~9AM Casey left G&C’s and arrived @ Tony’s ~9:15AM.

    @ ~2:48PM Cindy & Caylee returned home to Hopespring. Per E-Pass records (and consistent w/ statements) (see matching Conway toll @ 2:33PM + 15 mins to toll from G&C’s per Google Maps).

    @ 3:35PM Cindy called Casey’s cell from the Hopespring home phone. Casey let this call roll to vmail, and Cindy left a 36 second vmail.

    @ 3:45PM Kyle called Casey’s cell phone and Casey let this one roll to vmail also. At no time during this period did Casey interact w/ her phone.

    @ 5:06PM, w/o checking vmail, Casey called G&C’s Hopespring home phone from her cell phone @ Tony’s apt. for a 3 minute conversation, or left a 3minute answering machine message.

    …2 hours passed, w/ no activity on Casey’s cell…

    @ 7:06PM Casey began a text dialogue w/ Tony while she was still near his apartment. The pings from this conversation indicate Casey left Tony’s ~7:06PM.

    @ 7:10PM Casey already enroute & unprompted, called G&C’s Hopespring home phone for a 1 minute conversation or answering machine message.

    @ 7:36PM Casey arrived @ G&C’s Hopespring home.

    …between 7:06PM and 9:26PM Casey was engaged in a continuous texting conversation w/ Tony (and a little w/ Amy). The single greatest lapse between their texts was 11minutes @ 8:56 w/ most of them in the 2 minute range.

    @ 9:26PM a period of cell inactivity lasting 39 minutes began (Inactivity Period I) . (IMHO, this seems to be a good candidate for “the fight”)

    @ 10:06PM Casey ended the cell inactivity when she received a text from Tony by placing a call to Tony and talking w/ him for 10minutes (IMHO, this also would seem to be indicative of the fight having just taken place)

    @ 10:25PM the heavy texting between Casey and Tony resumed for the balance of the night…with a 40minute break @ 11PM. “(Inactivity Period II)

    @ 11:44PM Casey called Tony for an 80-minute marathon phone call.

  • Detwill39 // July 1, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Sheron~~ The 40 minute break in the following looks very suspicous to me. I think I will just leave it at that for now…… JMHO

    @ 10:25PM the heavy texting between Casey and Tony resumed for the balance of the night…with a 40minute break @ 11PM. “(Inactivity Period II)

  • Sheron // July 2, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Wow! I can only say I am stunned you were able to decipher all this.

    OK, so no call to Lee. Asking if she and Caylee could go stay over there after the fight. I’m thinking Casey had a key to his apartment.

    No distress call to Lee. That’s interesting. If I had been choked by my mom and had to leave, I would call one of my siblings. To rant about how crazy mom is, and have a safe place to stay for the night. With my toddler.

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 12:06 am

    Hi all.
    I think Casey is against seeing her parents.
    No matter what Baez wants, the client always makes the final decision.
    Baez works for Casey.
    Although some defendants listen to their lawyers, others don’t.

    I don’t mean to split hairs here, but do we really know for sure whether Lee is still living with George and Cindy or not?

    What state do you live in, Laura?(unless you’d like to keep that private)
    You sound like you have your hands full right now.

    I wish we could take the money the media makes from the Caylee case and other cases and give it to our schools.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 12:22 am

    Sheron~~ IMO, Tony Lazarro will be a key witness for the prosecution. I am sure that LE really drilled him to recall what was said in that 80 min telephone marathon. LE released an interview with Lazarro but they can hold back other info that he may have given them. LE had to be confident that Tony was trying to help them. They trusted him enough to wire him up and do a sting operation on Lee.

    This is mere speculation….!!!

    If Casey left with Caylee after the fight on June 15th and stayed in the neighborhood of Hopespring…. Let’s assume she went down to the end of Suburban and stayed in her vehicle overnight. She would have been nervous being alone with just Caylee. So what does she do to make herself feel safer? She calls Tony and keeps him on the phone until 3am. She can pretend to Tony that she is still home in her bed. Remember she is a pro at lying.

    Now the suspicious 40 minute break….Casey and Caylee are somewhere in the vicinity of her home, possibly away from the residential area on Suburban. Casey is angry, Caylee is upset and Amy’s duct tape is in the trunk of the Pontiac.

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 12:30 am

    I think Tony Lazarro will be a key witness for the prosecution too. I can’t wait to hear what he has to say. He talked to Casey at length and spent a lot of time with her. He already said that one time he saw Casey sitting on the edge of his bed looking at that last video of Caylee’s on her laptop and that she was crying, but he said something to the effect of it was a weak cry or a fake cry or something, and that it was nothing of the intensity of the strong cry she had when Tony told her that he was going to move to New York permanently.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 12:45 am

    LA~~when Casey was sitting up in bed looking at that video of Caylee, Tony said she was making whimpering noises but there were no tears. So the question is, was she trying to force some emotion or was she mimicing her daughter. Sociopaths can cry easily for themselves, but for other, they find it impossible.

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 1:00 am

    That’s right, I remember now, whimpering noises.

  • Sheron // July 2, 2009 at 1:09 am

    Ick, Detwill. I see what you are saying. It makes my stomach turn.

    She is a pro at lying. Poor Tony. Had no idea.

  • Sheron // July 2, 2009 at 1:14 am

    Really, can y’all imagine??! Tony (and many others) had sex, intimate sex, with someone who turns out is a sociopath??!

    That has got to be so disturbing to these young men. Actually, they just wanted some action – so maybe they deserved it??!! Not Jesse. But the other guys, maybe?

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 1:16 am

    Sheron~~Keep in mind that what I wrote was pure speculation.

    Goodnight all…….

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 1:16 am

    “Has the Casey Anthony case inspired the worst in us?”

    There are people who comment about this case who are continuously angry at people who are once removed or even twice removed from Casey(the perpetrator of this crime),such as Casey’s parents, for perceived injustices, in an overboard and extreme way, trying to look up people’s addresses and digging 15, 20 years into someone’s past, the address where someone worked 20 years ago, some license that was expired 15 years ago and then reinstated, a bankruptcy, hearsay about somebody lying to somebody decades ago, whether someone had a divorce in the past. Most police would disapprove of that and think it’s excessive and objectionable.
    (Talk about creepyness and geekyness)

    When people feel anger about a perceived injustice and it stays with them for a long time, and they think about possible ways they could get a person back for doing what they did,psychologists call that “injustice collecting.” It’s a “deep-seated emotional payoff” according to an article in Psychology Today (DEC2006). Here’s their main ref:”Injustice collecting allows us to avoid responsibility for our circumstances. Self-pity keeps us from letting go of unchangeable wounds, and garners attention and sympathy from others. We are often loath to give up that sort of advantage.

    When some people who are going too far in an unbalanced way and jump on their soap boxes for justice, they do garner attention and sympathy from others, and that can be a strong motivator.

    How to get free from the absolute fairness crusade? Work to discard the imperative that life be thoroughly fair. And remember that the court sytem is the way that we as a society will take care of Caylee.

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 1:17 am

    Good night.

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 1:21 am

    I am being filtered like coffee. Slow drip. No longer robust. I have been reduced to a MacCoffee.

  • Coreysmom // July 2, 2009 at 8:59 am

    Los Angeles @ 1:16am, good comment!
    This case has certainly reminded me of injustces I have experienced with two people in my family who are sociopaths. Learning about sociopathy has answered my questions as to why these two people are the way they are and why they have treated me and others the way they have. These two people fit the traits of a sociopath to a “T”. I have fallen for the”injustice collecting” through this whole case at times. I do try to keep my head about me and let the justice system take care of it because I know they will. In this case I have confidence justice will be served. Casey has done more than enough to insure that happens! Thanks for posting that!

  • lulu // July 2, 2009 at 9:45 am

    LA-very interesting info. Thanks.

  • Id'claire // July 2, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Why would Jesse not be listed as one who also wanted action? He and Casey were active. Where were his morals? He’s no criminal, and at least he had commitment and marraige in mind, but he fell for Casey like the others for the same reasons.

  • Kari // July 2, 2009 at 10:24 am

    Good statement, Los Angeles. Interesting concept, ‘injustice collecting’, an adjunct to the ‘poor me syndrome’, or ‘professional victim’.

    (–Id’Claire, I think you answered your own question, in saying that Jesse had commitment and marriage in mind.)

    Personally, I’m just not in sync with these “Justice for Caylee!” people. My idea of justice does not include revenge, and since Caylee is dead, revenge is what these people are talking about.

    Nor do I particularly feel that “justice” must be done to Casey.

    What I do feel must be done, is determine legally whether Casey has caused harm to Caylee, and others, and ensure that she will not do that again. That will entail a certain amount of punishment, loss of freedom, and maybe a certain amount of counseling and therapy, if it looks like that would be helpful.

    In the case of a sociopath, I’m not sure there is any therapy that will help.

    Yes, Casey will be punished, she will pay some price for her misdeeds. But this will be, or ought to be, done as a deterrent, not revenge. We Americans ought to be above revenge, isn’t that why we are currently investigating and bringing to court cases where prisoners of war were tormented and mistreated?

  • laura // July 2, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Good morning everyone. LA, I live in Indiana. Detwill you have answers at your finger tips so I would love for you to give me your theory as to what happened. Don’t say you can’t put the crime together for us that is what good detectives do and you are good! PLEASE!!!!!!

  • Id'claire // July 2, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Sooo….Kari,

    So you think that committing horrendous crimes has no repercussions? …that one just mustn’t “do it again?”

    Our society is structured with laws and repercussions as deterrent for misdeeds. Telling people to be nice, overall doesn’t work. Some people wouldn’t hurt a fly, but that some is a very small minority. And even when push comes to shove, these people would act out in some fashion.The public must be protected in some way. We don’t have the best way, but our tax $$ show we struggle with the best way.

    Mankind is a greedy, self-centered, “what’s in it for me” group. It is the way we’re wired. In the best situations, these characteristics are restrained, and an “inner” law or our civil law helps restrain.

    The bottom line is that man cannot be trusted to just do what is right.

    Revenge is a strong word for justice, but justice means much more than revenge or “getting back”, “tit for tat”, or “mean-ness for mean-ness.” Justice represents our value for what is good and right, and, in Caylee’s case, the preciousness of life. If we don’t have justice, then our values are not defined. Anything goes.

    Casey should not be punished if not responsible.
    However, if Casey is responsible, she should face her responsibility with remorse and humility, a willingness or desire to make amends, and a realization of the preciousness of life ( outside of her own. ) Facing the crime and correcting oneself are other lessons that justice serve.

    Of course, not all learn these lessons. If Casey needs help or can be influenced to be thoughtful, considerate, kind, and think of others that can be accomplished while she’s serving time.

    If she understood the brevity of what she’s done, she should be willing to serve to show her remorse and “make up” in any way. Those who fess up just for a lesser sentence, goes back to the self-centered-mentality thing again.

    I personally believe some of our laws are too lenient and allow too much room for excuse making, and psycho-therapy babble.

  • laura // July 2, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Detwill where are you? I gave you a challenge this morning and you have not took me up on it!

  • Marinade Dave // July 2, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    I just got home. I think detwill39 likes to work outside when the weather is nice. That might be what she’s doing today.

  • laura // July 2, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Oh very good. Well I am glad she is having good weather. Okay it is your turn to answer all of her questions, you said after we did you would! I will be waiting as I listen in on phone conference. Working hard, I am. lol

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Coreysmom, I am so glad that you know why in your situation. Sometimes it helps to know why. Sometimes it can guide us. It is so very scary, I know. I have encountered sociopaths too.

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Well-said statement, Id’Claire.

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    This was shocking:

    http://my.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20090701/4a4aed50_3ca6_1552620090701255677775

  • Newbie // July 2, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Kari, I agree with most of what you said. I do not see how there can be “justice for Caylee.”

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Laura~~ Detective Marinade solved the case back in March. I am too scared to try and solve the case anymore. Marinade is my boss and I don’t want him to issue me my ‘pink slip’….

    Here is Dave’s take on what happened. It may contain a bit of fiction….

    http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/anatomy-of-a-filicide/

  • laura // July 2, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    I want your take! Dave should not scare you, I will defend you, come on PLEASE!

  • laura // July 2, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    LA, that was horrible! I would never have a snake with children in the home. They are not trusting pets.

  • Marinade Dave // July 2, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Oh, detwill39, you will never get a pink slip as long as I am alive. Obviously, Laura loves you more than she even thinks about me. That in itself is grounds for removal, yet here I am, just minding my business, never looking for any trouble, knowing that these kinds of shenanigans go on all around me. Sometimes, my heart aches, but the nitro should take care of that, so go on. Keep it up. I don’t mind. I have my own pillow to cry in, thank you. Hey, thanks for the link back.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Dave~~~ahhh you poor baby. This is what I found comical after you made that post on Anatomy of a Filicide…. here is Newbie’s comment back then….

    Jesus !!!!! Caylee was dead and hid under the bed???? Is that any better than accidental death in the trunk of a car?

    Okay, where is the crew that is going to disagree with this “fictional story.”……Detwill39, Weezie, magog2, Ina, Beatrice….ANYBODY??

  • Beatrice // July 2, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Detwill39, Let’s hear your take, I want to pick your
    theory to pieces :-) ) You are just tooooo good, and I can’t
    stand it!

  • laura // July 2, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Dave you stop that my heart is big enough for lots of love! lol See Detwill, others want your take. Come on share your thoughts! PLEEEEEAAAAASSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE!

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Although I don’t agree with every single detail of “Anatomy of a Filicide”,
    I think that’s pretty much what happened. I’m sure that’s what the police think too.

  • Beatrice // July 2, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Detwill39, I disagreed way back when Dave wrote it,
    but he was pretty cranky back then. I did not have any
    “facts” to prove him wrong :-) so I was not about to argue.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Beatrice~~I love all these compliments but do not feel worthy of them.

    Dave taught me most everything and the one main thing he taught me was, to know when to shut up. Right Dave honey?

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    I know, Laura. It’s not safe to have a snake of that size in the house with a 2-year-old. It’s tragic.

  • laura // July 2, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Dave, did you tell Detwill to shut up? If you did will you please ask her to give us her thoughts? PLEASE!

  • Marinade Dave // July 2, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Hey, anyone that’s man enough to stand up to me, have at it. Oops. You’re all women. Oh my, what can of worms did I just open up?

    Seriously, if you have other opinions, please say so. I’m not nearly as cranky as I was back then. Really, Beatrice? I was cranky?

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Beatrice, just tell us what you think.
    My ears are perked.

  • laura // July 2, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Dave, would you really want a bunch of men in here giving your opinion? You are blessed to have all of us women, now straighten up and tell Detwill it’s okay to tell us! PLEASE! LOL

  • laura // July 2, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    I meant their opinion, sorry. :)

  • Newbie // July 2, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Did I say that??

  • Newbie // July 2, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    I must say, the thinking of Caylee being hid under a bed when dead…..eeeek.

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    I know, Newbie.
    When you think about it, everything Casey is eeeek.

  • Id'claire // July 2, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Newbie, Kari,

    To clarify my position…which may coincide or differ from yours…

    “Justice for Caylee” can be stated as an “Answer to Caylee,” not that the dead child would hear or need to get justice, ( like a ghost restlessly wandering until put to rest)

    It is in answer or justice to respond to the injustice done to her. In this, she is receiving honor, decency, and respect as a fellow innocent human being who was treated like an annoyance, ultimately exactly like garbage, disposable.

    Justice for Caylee is also for others around her (her families, caring onlookers, hard-working detectives, lawyers, etc) , for society in general (for others who are unhappy with dependent, small children), and to answer the law.

    In these aspects, Justice for Caylee is different, though linked to, the Justice Casey must answer or pay for.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Newbie~~that’s why it struck me so funny because it was out of the norm for you. Under the bed was bit far fetched. I’ll betcha Dave would make a good Dracula…all that blood and guts….actually, he sounded a little rabid when he wrote that post…LOL

  • Newbie // July 2, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    The thought of a dead body under the bed still gets to me. Now, when he is proven right we’ll all go into orbit !!!!

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    I think some of you already are.
    :shock: :shock:

  • Newbie // July 2, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    detwill, behave yourself with the blood and guts !!

  • Newbie // July 2, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Very good, LA.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    LA~~yes I do a little sleuthing in outer space as well. Sometimes I come in for a landing and try to make a little sense out of some of it all.

    They say, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em. The only pitfall I have is, my train of thought has no caboose. So I keep tooting my own horn until Dave catches me and puts a plug in my tooter.

  • Beatrice // July 2, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    LA, 3:11…. Right on !!! uuh, wait a minute! You
    said some of YOU! :-) Come on LA, fly with them!

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Oh, well, okay — I’ll fly! I’LL FLY!!

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Detwill, I think a lot of investigators and sleuths do that. They investigate anything and everything, and then they sift through it all.

  • Kari // July 2, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Id’Claire–of course there are repercussions for terrible crimes. But those repercussions needn’t be revenge.

    To lock a person up is to prevent them from harming anyone again. To execute them is just the same thing, and makes sense if they are unable to tell right from wrong and feel no remorse. These are ways society has of defending itself from criminals. Also there are punishments intended to discourage a repeat offense–such as taking away a driver’s license for a period of time, levying a heavy fine, etc.

    Too many people see no distinction between justice and revenge. Their feeling is that if someone has done something that hurts or offends us, we ought to do something to hurt them. There are a lot of people who have conceived a raging hatred for Casey and really long to see her hurt and publicly humiliated.

    Some of those people would be glad if we would throw her in the lions’ pit, like the ancient Romans, or crucify her, with her parents on either side, or just publicly hang her, and they’d likely buy a scrap of her gown as a souvenir, just as in medieval times.

    (Hangings or witch burnings were considered public entertainment, and people set up booths, or walked about, selling oranges, grapes, wine, etc.)

    Those kinds of punishments are vengeful. It doesn’t even matter if the person richly deserved that treatment, like, say Hitler. What matters is that we, our society, must uphold, not revenge, but law and order.

  • Marinade Dave // July 2, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    It’s OK. I love it here, Laura. No, I do not want a bunch of men in here giving their opinion. Hey, is anyone ready for a new post?

  • Id'claire // July 2, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Kari, good response. We agree on the place for law, order, and justice. They protect the public from the criminal, and the criminal from the medieval, bloodthirsty mob-type.

    But I disagree in that revenge is to a degree part of the workings of the law, and cannot be separated—and in that light, in that “control,” it ain’t such a bad thing.

    I also disagree in that the role of the law is to do justice to Casey as well as justice for Caylee. The law as you have described it has positive and negative uses. Both are applicable here.

    Being strict about the law sometimes makes us appear as unfeeling heathen, but it is one of the many things that holds our society together. It is part of the backbone. I think that is what you were also saying.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Criminal justice system
    The criminal justice system consists of three main parts: (1) law enforcement (police); (2) adjudication (courts); and (3) corrections (jails, prisons, probation and parole). In the criminal justice system, the People are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police, who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. Criminal justice agencies are intended to operate within the rule of law.

  • LosAngeles // July 2, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    I think Id’Claire and Kari just showed us how it’s done; two adults having a back and forth discussion — no third-grade name calling, no getting overly emotional, and not taking anything personally. Thank you.

  • Beatrice // July 2, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    LA. 5;16 Excellent observance here. Kari and Id’ Claire
    have given us very good example. Thanks ladies!

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    A theory that criminal laws are passed with well-defined punishments to discourage individual criminal defendants from becoming repeat offenders and to discourage others in society from engaging in similar criminal activity

    Deterrence is one of the primary objects of the Criminal Law. Its primary goal is to discourage members of society from committing criminal acts out of fear of punishment. The most powerful deterrent would be a criminal justice system that guaranteed with certainty that all persons who broke the law would be apprehended, convicted, and punished, and would receive no personal benefit from their wrongdoing. However, it is unrealistic to believe that any criminal justice system could ever accomplish this goal, no matter how many law enforcement resources were dedicated to achieving it.

    As a result, philosophers, criminologists, judges, lawyers, and others have debated whether and to what extent any criminal justice system actually serves as a deterrent. Deterrence requires the would-be criminal to possess some degree of reflective capacity before the crime is committed, at least enough reflection to consider the possible consequences of violating the law if caught.

    Since many crimes are committed during “the heat of the moment” when an individual’s reflective capacities are severely compromised, most observers agree that some crimes simply cannot be deterred. Individuals who commit crimes for the thrill of “getting away with it” and outwitting law enforcement officials probably cannot be deterred either. In fact, such individuals may only be tempted and encouraged by law enforcement claims of superior crime-prevention and crime-solving skills.

  • Beatrice // July 2, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    Detwill39, Very good! Addressing ” premediated” murder, if punishment is an absolute (such as nothing BUT the death penalty if found guilty) it may deter
    a crime. Child abuse for a long time could in some cases be worse than dying, so I believe should also have a higher degree of punishment which could deter abuse.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Beatrice~~I think we should have tougher law for pedofiles. They are the biggest repeat offenders and nothing seems to deter them. I would personally castrate them in public but some would scream that is barbaric.

    We have to have stiffer laws to deter. Until we do, crime will run rampant.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    I do not agree with the ‘death penalty.’ If someone brutally murders another human, they deserve to spend the rest of their life behind prison walls. Death would be an easy way out. They are injected with sodium penathol and the murderer goes to sleep. They only feel a little pin prick. The other things injected to kill them is done after they are asleep. The only real suffering they endure is waiting for their execution on death row. In some states, that can take years.

  • Beatrice // July 2, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    Detwill39, I do not necessarily need to have the offender suffer the rest of their life for these crimes, in that I would live my life feeding off of revenge. For horror crimes, which I am relating to. I should think that if they know their life will end that may deter the
    crime in the first place. After the crime, Court justice
    prevails. Not that the DP appeals to me It is just if we going to have it, make use before crimes are committed.
    Instead of criminals knowing they can get a slap on the hand. I other words use it to scare them into NOT committing crimes.

  • Id'claire // July 2, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Pedophiles should get death under strict circumstances, as well as brutal murders. Otherwise, in the long run, it is society who must suffer paying for the prisons and sustenance and such. Other criminals are let out because of space issues.

    The death penalty, some say, flies in the face of human value. However, it is because of the value we place on the “innocent” victims of these criminals, that we should be willing to say enough is enough. People are often held captive in their own neighborhoods because of the criminal element, always watching for the registered this or that.

  • Detwill39 // July 2, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Beatrice~~here is my interpretation of ‘revenge’ and it has no place in our judical system. I refer to the sentence as ‘punishment’…

    Revenge (synonym vengeance) is a harmful action against a person or group as a response to a (real or perceived) wrongdoing. Although many aspects of revenge resemble the concept of justice, revenge connotes a more injurious and punitive focus as opposed to a harmonious and restorative one. Whereas justice generally implies actions undertaken and supported by a legitimate judicial system, by a system of ethics, or on behalf of an ethical majority, revenge generally implies actions undertaken by an individual or narrowly defined group outside the boundaries of judicial or ethical conduct. The goal of revenge usually consists of forcing the perceived wrongdoer to suffer the same or greater pain than that which was originally inflicted.

  • Kari // July 2, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Detwill, here’s a quick take on the difference between ‘justice’ and revenge. Your idea of publicly castrating pedophiles, presumably without anesthesia, would be vengeful, because it involves public humiliation and needless cruelty.

    On the other hand, if we surgically castrated them in a hospital, with the stated goal of 1. physically preventing them from sexually assaulting anyone else, and 2. decreasing their hormonal level to something that would allow sane, rational behavior–well, in that case, castration would be a very just punishment and deterrent.

    Unfortunately, only some sex offenders could actually be cured in that way, others are acting not from any hormonal excess, but from a psychological need to control or harm persons weaker than themselves. And in some people the resulting frustration would make them more dangerous rather than less. But I still think it should be offered as an option to some offenders. Twenty years in prison, or life as a eunuch. It could be a viable option.

    Id’Claire, now I think we’re just hung up on the difference between revenge and punishment, and I’ll compromise on that! The law can apply punishment, and whoever wishes may see it as a sort of revenge or payback. That’s fair enough. It’s only human to want to wreak revenge on someone who has wronged you personally.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 12:05 am

    Kari~~ You analyzed, in depth, my remark re the castration. Well here is another assignment for you….I would cut off their balls with a big cleaver atop of a bus in Picadilly Square in London and then stand on a soap box in Hyde Park and holler….”Yes, sweet Jesus yes, his weapons have been removed.” I would even pay the plane fare of the SOB’s to London, so Fleet Street could get the scoop and broadcast it to the world.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 12:32 am

    Besides the castration, I would numb their pituitary gland. A pedofile has never wronged me personally so my ideas are purely punishment.

  • Newbie // July 3, 2009 at 12:39 am

    detwill, that is quite a comment to see when just popping in and no other comments are showing. lol whoa girl….

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 12:44 am

    Newbie~~at 8:02 pm, I castrated a pedofile in public. LOL

    Now I am off to bed…goodnight

  • Newbie // July 3, 2009 at 12:47 am

    night detwill…next time you do that to a pedofile in public, please let me know so I can cheer you on !!

  • Newbie // July 3, 2009 at 12:53 am

    Well, ladies, being without sound mind at this point, I think any rapist should be in general population at the prison.

  • Newbie // July 3, 2009 at 1:00 am

    Personally, I am tired of prisoners having rights.

    More than likely, Dave would have his medical tests by now if he were in prison.

  • frosty // July 3, 2009 at 4:59 am

    Detwill, I will be glad to accompany you, and as a RN certify that every bit of said “balls” are removed, so no other victim has to suffer public or private humiliation and needless cruelty.

    After that we can have tea at the Grosvenor House on Park Lane that is located directly across from Hyde Park. I can not think of a more satisfying day!

  • Kari // July 3, 2009 at 5:46 am

    Goodness, but you ladies are bloodthirsty! I really can’t chime in unless you tell me what crimes this pedophile has committed. Are we talking about a 22 year old who bedded a 16 year old? Did he know her age, or did she say she was 18? Are we talking about a rather nasty but relatively harmless ‘funny uncle’ who groped a niece or two? Or are we talking some horrid close friend or family member who subjected this child to years of rape and torment? Or do we have in our hands a lethal predator, who has tortured, raped, and killed one or more innocents just to satisfy his lust?
    Or is it just some poor, addled junior high teacher who fell in love with her 14 year old student?

    These are all pedophiles and deserve punishment of some sort, but they are by no means equal. Oh, and I guess you’d have trouble castrating a female pedophile.

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Kira :) I can think of something, a little organ I think it is, you know, to remove from female pedophiles though, but if I mention that, it would make it too graphic. And horrible. No human been would do things like that to another I hope! (I know, in some muslim countries it is a sort of custom, but that is another matter.)

    About punishing, all cases should be seen in their own contexts. I am very happy the law has some protection for everyone against those bloodthirsty people out for revenge.

    So let me get this: If Dave would have a relationship with a 15 year old, he would go to prison and get medical treatment? Unless Florida is a state where that kind of thing is allowed of course.
    David, where is the nearest highschool? :)

  • Id'claire // July 3, 2009 at 9:36 am

    Detwill and all,

    Sometimes a bunch of “common sense” ladies make more progress in societal solutions, than the Law itself.

    It’ll keep more doctors/ or ace grinders in business.
    More of the populace will have reason to rejoice and feel there is justice (sorry, less work for counselors and psychologists for the families of victims/ and less prescription drug use for depression)
    Fewer pedophiles in the long run!!

    Castration should be followed by lifelong highway cleanup or such…Keep the dirty mind doing the dirty work….

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 9:45 am

    Id’clair ~~you hit it right on the mark. Thank you.

    bbl chores are calling me…

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Boy, Ina, I wouldn’t even kid around about child molestation. I have no respect for those sickos.

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 10:04 am

    And for steeling – cut off an arm? Good thing there are laws that say you need a diploma to be a judge lol.

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 10:06 am

    You have respect for the law and for humans I hope David. Even if those humans are sicko’s. Talking of which … How sick must you be to want castration? :)
    I am going into the sun. Have fun on castrating!

  • Id'claire // July 3, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Ina,

    How sick must people be to want castration, or DP?

    How ’bout VERY SICK of the crimes: VERY SICK of the news stories….VERY SICK of the hurt and pain caused to others…VERY SICK of crime…VERY SICK of money spent on law enforcement and judicial systems whose hands are often tied by softies…VERY SICK of the criminals running the neighborhoods.

    Not everything would get fixed (get it? fixed….) there would still be crime, etc. and suffering. But one element would be better addressed.

    But hey, the sun is shining…

  • Beatrice // July 3, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Kari, I like your broad viewpoints and consideration
    before acting. Certainly you would make a fair juror in
    any criminal situation. Did your neighbor get his
    glass fixed after you gave him $20.00.

  • Beatrice // July 3, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    You ladies must stop castrating. Dave could be stressing just reading about such an acts.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Beatrice~~I keep my kitchen cleaver sharp and at the ready. Dave is a good and decent man so we are leaving his ‘family jewels’ in tact.

    Id’claire~~I was SICK when I heard about Jessica Lunsford being molested for days by a pedofile and then buried alive.

    http://www.personal-injury-info.net/jessica-lunsford-act.htm

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    You’re right, Beatrice. My voice goes up an octave with each castration comment I read. I think they’re trying to make a eunuch out of me. Hang on… I don’t know where I left my bra.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Top left dresser drawer, way in the back, under your lace pink panties.

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Liar. Lace makes me itch.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Send them back to ebay or do they have a return policy? You are a complete nut sir? Or should that be Madam Marinade?

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    I thought it were your woolen undies that made you scratch? Now it is lace…

  • Beatrice // July 3, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Dave, Just don’t wear any and you will be just fine.
    Wow, you sure have an appropriate title to this post :-)

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    I am not just a complete nut, I am two of them, me and I. Instead of scratching, I will just follow Dr. Beatrice’s advice and go sans. Yup, this is the most appropriate title of any post I’ve ever written.

  • Kari // July 3, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Id’Claire, I think Ina was referring to my idea of offering castration as an option to the offender…
    I don’t think she was really calling you ladies sick.

    I feel a bit confused, though. Of the ladies who are calling for bloody castration of pedophiles, how many are against capital punishment?

    I’d rather see our justice system humanely euthanize torturers and serial killers. I don’t want my justice system to be capable of torture and bloody revenge, no matter how richly deserved it may be. Even less would I wish to inflict such punishments myself, I do not wish to ‘fight fire with fire’, we humans are way too flammable!

  • Kari // July 3, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Or, heck, maybe Ina was calling me sick for suggesting the option! That’s ok, Ina, I still love ya. I know I’m crazy.

  • Kari // July 3, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Beatrice, yeah, he fixed his window. He is not always drunk, but he is always a very tidy neighbor, takes care of his yard better than I do.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Options~~castration or behead them.

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Kari lol I don’t think you are sick at all; you were the one that made sense :)

    I just saw a naked man with a very high voice running around this blog? Who can run fast enough to catch him? Laura? :)

  • Id'claire // July 3, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Well…castration allows life to continue, although adjustments have to be made.

    Offing someone is more humane to all concerned, I suppose, but then there’s that dag-burn judgment before God, and eternal damnation.

    See, as long as someone is alive, they can reconcile with God, before that judgment stuff.
    However, I suppose if someone is serious about judgment, and they know their lights are going to be snuffed, then they have a bit of time for a quick reconcile thing.

    In conclusion, I am more for the DP than the castration. DP stops the foolishness altogether, castration only disables a part or three.

    Detwill envsions some sort of personal satisfaction in her diatribe.

    I’m not sure what all Ina is envisioning with Dave and this blog…..

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    I don’t think I want to know.

  • Beatrice // July 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Ina, lol, I liked 2:47! Run Dave Run!

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Your voice just reached soprana. And you are the one who goes without clothes I think, so don’t pretend it is just something I think I see. What is envisions?

  • Beatrice // July 3, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Or, slow down a bit maybe!

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    lol Beatrice I don’t mean you without clothes :)
    As I am not to do oneliners, I add this one :)

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    I think after the DP, castration should follow. :)
    Sure is sure.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Dave~~I knew one day that all your women would gang up on you. I know who your favorite girl is but it will be our secret. Right?

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    You know it’s bad when you get chased out of your own blog.

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Oh sorry about 3.42 I didn’t mean you. I meant castration on general.

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    :) Goodnight anyway. Soprano.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Dave~~what does R.I.P. stand for?

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    You mean Rest In Peace?

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Dave~~Yes that is what I mean. You are my hero!!

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    I think it means Rot In Progress, detwill39 :) But you must now all about that.
    I mean, it is your language?

  • Ina // July 3, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Sleep tight! Very… tight..

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Nancy Grace delays Cindy’s special for Michael Jackson….

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/nancy-grace-delays-cindy-anthony-specials-for-michael-jackson.html

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Darn.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Honest? Nancy was going to play all the old videos of Cindy that we have already watched.

    Want me to find one for you?

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    No, not really. I was just kidding, but I suppose a lot of people are disappointed. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if she didn’t put her feelers out and the general feeling was that plenty of people didn’t want her to go over old stuff, like e-mails between Cindy and her brother and junk like that.

  • Detwill39 // July 3, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Here is a short video that I never watched before…George Anthony…One on One…

    http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/052709george_anthony_interview

  • Marinade Dave // July 3, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Actually, that’s one of the few good videos with George where he is looked at in a positive light. I’d never seen it, either. I don’t understand why anyone would attack the Anthonys for that bear. It’s free. How could they possibly get rich from it? It goes to children, handed out by law enforcement.

  • LosAngeles // July 3, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    I agree, Kari, about the bloodthirstyness. I can’t chime in on that either.
    It’s interesting to note, that under the Mosaic law, matters of justice were handled by the older men of the congregation. If a man murdered a pregnant woman, say, the older men of the congregation took him outside the village and stoned him to death. Justice was meted out swiftly.Now notice that justice was carried out away from the presence of women and children and the rest of the townspeople, so as not to traumatize women and children and others. The man was taken OUTSIDE the village. Quite the opposite of your wanting to have a public castration. Can you see how much more wise and civilized it was under the Mosaic law? Why should they stink up the whole village with that horrific type of public display within the village? And note that every single man in the village is going to be aware of what that man did and what happened to him as a result of his crime. And this way, the man is not able to murder again.

  • LosAngeles // July 3, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    I forgot to add that the Mosaic Law was God’s way of doing things, in His infinite wisdom and love.

  • Id'claire // July 3, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Yes, L.A., God wanted man to cherish life as He did, and condemning to death validated that life that was taken.

  • Kari // July 3, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    Ok, for some reason, while I kind of cringe at my fellow marinaders declaring their desire to personally castrate evil-doers with a blunt kitchen knife—I’m cracking up laughing at Ina’s suggestion that we finish up our humanely administered death penalty by then whacking off the offending part, just to be sure!
    And then what, Ina? Bury it in a separate grave with holy water sprinkled on top?

  • Ina // July 4, 2009 at 7:13 am

    I have to look op cringe.
    No, Kari after that, a ritual frying of the particular parts, chopped in nice parts, takes place followed by a festive dinner. Thus the villain will defenately never do it again!

    I am afraid the voice of David has now reach supersonic values and he can not be heard any more. (As his voice goes up an octave with each castration comment he reads) but chances are he didn’t read :)

  • Id'claire // July 4, 2009 at 10:02 am

    I would suggest starting a new topic….but I would be scared to what THAT topic may be….

  • Marinade Dave // July 4, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I agree, Id’claire. Enough about de-sexing a man.

  • Caleb Law // August 24, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Of course it has brought out the worst in a lot of people. “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone,” Jesus stated. Well, who are we to be so self-righteous?! seriously, all of this talk about her sickens me. My “dark side” finds her situation to be extremely erotic and makes me wanna get a footjob from her, but that is just the side of lust for my own needs, not for what’s right. So, who are we to cast judgement?! Even murderers will go to Heaven if they repent and are truly sorry, yet we treat those people like “dog crud”. In all reality, every sin should be looked on as something as gut-wrenching as murder and sexual abuse-In other words, “a sin is a sin,” which God quotes in the Bible. They should all be considered equally grotesque, yet we make some seem “different” than others. In reality, we aren’t better than her, than the police, or than Hitler. The only significant truth is that there are those who are sorry and who make the decision to try to change, and there are those who do not. Those who do try to change are gonna be better off than those who stick to the ways of the world.

  • snoopysleuth // August 25, 2009 at 12:24 am

    Caleb~~Your comments have been acknowledged but I will reserve my opinion of them until a later time.

  • Coreysmom // August 25, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Caleb Law needs to get as far from this case as possible so he does not fall into temptation! God says that if you even think lustfully after a woman with your thoughts then you have already sinned against God.
    Besides, it sickens him with all this talk about Casey so why does he keep reading about it? Hmmm….

  • Cheyenne // August 25, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Yeah, well….my cerebral side tells me anyone that finds Casey Anthony’s ’situation’ extremely erotic needs their head (and probably other things) examined. Turned on by baby killers are you? There’s no need for such demented commentary. Which I suspect was cushioned with ‘what would Jesus do?’ talk, just to mention. God may forgive (you have to ask first) but WE’RE not God. We should judge right from wrong. And the law says you have to pay for crime (you know, so you recognize it’s wrong and just don’t keep doing it?) What are you supposed to do, say you took the life of Caylee Anthony but we forgive you, have a nice day?

  • Marinade Dave // August 25, 2009 at 10:17 am

    That was a very unusual comment. I figured I’d leave poor Caleb to his “private” thoughts. Perhaps, he thinks he IS God.

  • snoopysleuth // August 25, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Dave~~I was just going to comment with an ‘uh huh’ or ‘my goodness’….but felt I best sound professional re Caleb…LOL

  • Marinade Dave // August 25, 2009 at 10:54 am

    I think his words spoke volumes about his personality, Snoopy. Nothing in the world would make a difference.

  • snoopysleuth // August 25, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Dave~~Well I am not going to paint my toenails any time soon…footjob? Have a good day sir!

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