“The roots growing into the vertebrae and bags indicate that the body was placed there months prior to being found. There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the day of last being seen alive.”
Well, it’s official… The autopsy and other forensic reports released yesterday indicate no drugs were found in Caylee’s body at the time of her death and what those documents tell me is that Casey did not drug her over a period of time, which means no extended exposure to Xanax or chloroform or any other heavy duty medications meant to daze her into a deep sleep. This means that Zani (or Zanny the Nanny, depending on which one you prefer) was not Xanax, AKA Caylee’s elusive babysitter as some have theorized. Throw that one out with the dirty dish water. What it does not deny, though, is the theory that she was drugged on her final day alive, and that chemical compounds did not have a chance to seep their way into her system. Casey did not drug her daily and tote her around in the trunk of her car. No accidental overdose occurred and there is no such thing as an accidental homicide. Duct tape in her hair shows an intent to kill and/or cause great bodily harm. No one places tape over a toddler’s mouth, nose and into the hair to merely silence that child, especially multiple layers. Whether she suffocated or not we will never know, but suffice it to say her mother was the last family member to see her alive and the duct tape found in the house conclusively matches the tape found on the skull, mandible and hair. Did Zani sneak in there to steal a roll of tape when it would have been much simpler to buy a new roll?
Soon after George and Cindy Anthony told authorities that the car reeked of death, like there was a “damn dead body” in there somewhere, they did an about face and said it was from a pizza box. Now, I’ve always eaten a pizza before it had a chance to rot and I never thought about leaving it in the trunk to keep it piping hot in the Florida heat, but on a practical note, it makes all the sense in the world if we are to promote an earth friendly, green environment and take advantage of solar heat instead of a coal burning electric oven, with coal being the source of electricity.
It’s interesting to note that Casey and her parents, for any of the conspiracy theorists out there, do not completely agree on what caused the car to have that nasty stench of death. George and Cindy adhere to the pizza box theory while their not so loving daughter claims it was from dead squirrels that were plastered to the frame of her car, although no putrid flesh was found. Quite simply put, that’s what you call CYA, or cover your ass, in plain language. Casey knew that someone would recognize the smell and she had to have an explanation for it. The friends she text messaged might have believed her but it didn’t wash with the fuzz.
To prove how smart, cagey and thorough these law enforcement types were on this case, they sent a decomposed pizza and a non-breathing – meaning dead – squirrel to the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee where scientists did some analyzing. Trust me, no squirrels were run over in an attempt to duplicate the conditions, so PETA, stay out of it. It was roadkill. Remember, trained K-9 dogs can differentiate between human and animal decomposition and they barked that the trunk odor was definitely from human residue.
The Oak Ridge report emphasized that previous statements about a decomposing pizza found in the trunk were not true, but to allay future issues, they went ahead and ordered a mushroom and pepperoni pie. Hmm… was that a thin crust? They analyzed it, still in its original box – after a lunch break, I’m sure – and after several days of decomposition. “It’s interesting to note that no maggots were found on the pizza,” and it still tasted fresh. No, I added that part.
Like I said, the poor tamiasciurus hudsonicus was the victim of a hit-and-run and was supplied by a zooarcheologist at the University of Tennessee. Researchers allowed poor Rocky J. Squirrel to decompose outdoors for about 10 days in a garbage can with fly access. In other words, no lid. After that time period, the researchers said that maggot activity and odor were “significantly less than expected.”
They also noted, “Results of this analysis showed very little similarity to the Florida carpet sample,” and that no sulfur compounds or chloroform were detected. In my opinion, this could be interpreted as a completely different result because in the Caylee case, the trunk was sealed, it was relatively airtight, and the heat in the Florida climate made it unbearably hot. The defense may try to suppress this evidence, but I believe it would be a losing cause since chloroform was present and there must be a reason for it being so high. I predict it will be one of the key pivotal points at the trial.
Of the 51 found and identified chemicals on the carpet sample from the trunk of Casey’s car, 80% were consistent with decompositional events. “Nearly all the compounds present in early human decomposition were detected in the trunk samples if their concentrations were high enough to detect,” the report said. This would directly lead to the assumption that a human body was in the trunk and nowhere else on or in the vehicle. Circumstantial, yes, but Casey said squirrels were stuck to the frame, not in the trunk where the concentrations were found.
Here are some other findings:
Crime scene technicians spent over a week minutely scouring the woods off Suburban Drive trying to find every little piece of the remains and anything else tied to the case. The autopsy report states that they collected “an almost complete skeleton of a young child with only multiple small bones missing. The missing bones include small bones from the wrists and hands, as well as fingers and ankle, hyoid and patella.” The hyoid is the only bone in the human skeleton not articulated to any other bone. It is held in place by thyroid ligaments. What this means is that as the flesh decomposes, it separates from the remaining skeletal remains and in this case, it drifted away.
I’ve already mentioned that the report shows several overlapping pieces of duct tape on the skull. “Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair,” it said. “This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition keeping the mandible in place.”
Parts of the skeleton were intermixed with the two plastic garbage bags and a canvas laundry bag. “The bags have a woodsy, outdoor odor with no smell of decomposition.” The report also noted that vertebrae were found clustered away from the skull. This means that water and/or other natural weather conditions and animals were responsible.
Medical examiners made note of multiple roots extending through parts of the plastic bag and bones. At least one root was 10 centimeters in length and “completely extends through the bag.”
“The roots growing into the vertebrae and bags indicate that the body was placed there months prior to being found. There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the day of last being seen alive.” Roots had also grown through a Winnie the Pooh blanket found at the scene with the plastic bags.
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Since the release of these reports, I’ve noticed plenty of commenters mention that justice was served when the results were published. I find this to be rather perplexing and it highlights some of the things wrong with this case and how people unfamiliar with law interpret the issues and many of the factors involved. Clearly, Caylee’s body was in those woods longer than the theorists claim, yet many of them will not back down when facts are staring them straight in the face. The most viable conclusion is that she was in those woods since the end of June, minimally. Please cut Kronk some slack. Baez, Dominic Casey, George & Cindy and Brad Conway do not sit around kissing each other’s rear ends, so you should discount any theories about them absolutely knowing beyond a shadow of doubt that the body was in there and Kronk had something to do with it. If anyone really knew it was there, it would have been disposed of or found much earlier.
But the biggest and most offensive obstacle is justice itself. Yesterday’s hearing was about allowing the autopsy and forensic reports to be released because of Florida’s open laws. Some of you call them Sunshine Laws. This was not at all about justice. It was strictly about our right to know since all autopsy reports are a matter of public record. It is the legal right for an attorney to fight the release as much as it is my right as a Floridian to read it. Just because you can read it too does not make it justice. The Anthonys had every right to beg and if you went through the same type of misery, you would do the same thing, no matter how biased and filled with hate you are for them. I was almost completely convinced that the judge would be compelled to rule the way he did. He didn’t like it, but the law is the law and in the end, he did the right and only thing. What we get to see from those open laws has absolutely nothing to do with justice. All of these documents will be presented at trial, whether they are released to us or not. Then, and only then, is when justice will be served. Justice is all about Caylee and it has nothing to do with me, you or anyone else. Because of the subject matter in this case, I understand how emotions run high, but we all need to find the line that separates facts from emotions and keep them apart.









658 responses so far ↓
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 4:23 pm
No, I refuse to back out of our plans, Laura. No way. You own me.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 4:26 pm
The heart sticker was an unusually cruel thing to do, Id’claire, at least in my opinion. It was as if she was saying good riddance, you are out of my life forever.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Well it’s about time! No Dave you are the daddy, but I will over look it. I love babies, Detwill will share hopefully!
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Hmm, LosAngeles, that would be news to Baez.
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Very funny, Detwill, about Baden, Padilla or Strickland being Casey’s father.
As someone else brought up the possibility of Baez being the father,
I replied it could be a POSSIBILITY,
along with other guys that could be possiblities also, as Casey used to be friends with Baez’s daughter in the past.
See, there’s the difference. I didn’t say Baez is the father. I said it’s another possibility.
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 4:43 pm
If it wasn’t important who the father was, the FBI would not have wasted their time finding out who it was, as they have better things to do.
In the murder of a baby, it’s always important to know who the biological father was.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Dave~~omg, it should be on Breaking News anytime.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I think there’s a possibility that Baez could get his client off the charges and it is also possible that George W. Bush fathered Paris Hilton, but I don’t want to go there.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 4:50 pm
So, LosAngeles, if the FBI didn’t waste their time, who did it end up being? You see, they don’t know and the purpose of the DNA testing was not at all to find out who the father was, it was to eliminate possibilities. The FBI did not test every male Casey ever came into contact with and they certainly didn’t test every other male in the world. Baez was never tested, either, but that doesn’t make him a potential father of Caylee. That’s like saying, OK, it’s not Lee, so out of 157,087,321,156 potential men, we now only have to look at 157,087,321,155 others.
knight Owl // June 22, 2009 at 4:53 pm
okay you guys, i came to give this information for any that may not know it.
Baez was born in Puerto Rico, year 69. that makes him only 40 today. three years ago when casey was 19 Baez was only 37. The reason Geraldo popped up and made the comment he is married to a drop dead gorgeous wife was Geraldo was attempting to help do damage control for his friend Baez on his show, as Baez was on the hot seat so to speak by being asked about his behavoir circuling about him and Casey by Geraldo’s panel. I know this myself to be a fact as i was watching Geraldo’s show and saw it all. that is all i am going to say on Baez forever. promise Dave.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Dave~~you just be glad that you wrote that as a commenter and not as a blogger…or did you?
Keep in mind the blog laws in your fair state! Well you did use the word ‘possible’ so maybe George W will be quite honored that you think his sperm count was tickety poo…
knight Owl // June 22, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Las Angeles, hang in there your doing good. see you.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 4:57 pm
LA- The comments were trying to figure out who the father is when I said it does not matter now, it is because Caylee is dead they obviously can’t be a father now and protect her.
Id'claire // June 22, 2009 at 5:01 pm
So, have all the possible documents that can be released dried up?
Are we done until trial?
What happens next?
Anymore Caylee anniversaries coming up?
Which show may the Anthony’s do next? What could they possibly cover?
How about an update: The Boyfriends: Where they are now.(not you, Dave)
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:05 pm
You can talk about Baez, knight Owl, I don’t care about that, but the likelihood of Baez being the father is no different than mine. He wasn’t a lawyer at that time and he lived in Miami, someplace Casey was not known to frequent. At least, I live in the same area and, actually, that makes me – statistically speaking – a better candidate than him. Besides, I had (notice I said had) blond hair and so did Caylee.
Id'claire // June 22, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Pappa? Casey was an active child. Once upon a time, she might have been able to nail down a few possibilities.
But Jesse was in the picture at the birth, and identifying a one-nighter would be so uncomfortable and complicated. The Anthonys have never been up for embarrassments, so the pregnancy cover-up. They like to take the challenges in stride and cover the expenses with their own finances, as opposed to getting child support, or calling the cops on their daughter’s stealing credit cards and $20 out of pocketbooks. Just keep all that Love in the family.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 5:08 pm
LE had tests run to see if Lee could be the father and to dispel so many rumors that he may be.
Casey did tell Tony Lazarro and Jesse Grund that Lee made sexual advances towards her.
True or false, who knows? I commend LE for being thorough in their investigation.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:09 pm
You know, detwill39, speaking of Paris Hilton and jail, I wrote a piece about her 2 years ago. Gee, was it that long ago we saw her cry on her way to jail?
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2007/06/07/message-from-paris/
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:13 pm
As detwill39 recently alerted us to, the defense stated that it expects more documents from the prosecution, but how many pages and how many dumps? I don’t know. Caylee’s birthday is August 9. I’m sure something will be planned around here commemorating that day.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:16 pm
The FBI ordered testing on Lee. Many of Casey’s former boyfriends volunteered just to clear themselves for peace of mind. The tests were run to eliminate people, not to find out specifically who the father was. There’s a difference between the two.
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Id’Claire, I agree with your comment at June 22, 3:39 pm.
Dave, the FBI has not made it public knowledge who the father is. I’m not saying it was from one particular DNA testing that they did. I know they did several different DNA testings for several different reasons. I didn’t say FBI tested every male in the world.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:23 pm
I don’t think it’s fair to bring Casey’s parents into the pregnancy scheme that’s being conjured up here. Casey went and got knocked up on her own. Do you think George and Cindy were in the bedroom with her? Casey covered up who the father is. Casey tried to pin it on Jesse. Jesse is the one Casey told her parents was the father. How would they have known he wasn’t? We can’t look at everything they do as a conniving lie. Casey made up these stories about the father. Jesse had himself tested on his own, not to eliminate himself, because he loved that little girl, but because things didn’t add up. She had him convinced he was the father until she gave birth and the timeline didn’t equal 9 months. As for stealing money, how many parents in the world cover up for their children’s mistakes? Just the Anthonys? I’m not buying it. Sure, there comes a time to draw the line, but every family is different.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Dave~~omg, that was priceless…a sense of humor is a virtue….Poor Paris… I recall when she went on Larry King and he asked her what her favorite quote of the Bible was…she couldn’t answer so said she didn’t realllllly have one. This was after telling Larry about reading theBible alot.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:28 pm
But you’re missing the whole point, LosAngeles. The FBI does not know who the father is and they will never know unless they test every white male in the universe. It is not important to them to find out because the girl is DEAD. The person who allegedly killed her sits in jail. Law enforcement is only interested in finding the killer. Why on earth would the FBI care who the father is? Explain the relevancy of how it pertains to the case. No one is saying “find the father and you’ll have the killer.” No one.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:30 pm
She may have read the Bible because I believe she can read, but is her brain capable of absorbing what she reads? In her favor, we must admit that she hasn’t been in any trouble since then.
I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Pozelenore // June 22, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I wonder what would have happened had LE brought Casey into a room for further questioning and told her THEY FOUND CAYLEE ALIVE AND WELL.
And her kidnappper too. And film THAT reaction. I wonder what Casey might have said
THEN. She lied to them, maybe they should have used the same medicine on her.
I can only imagine. Shist, I would be willing to try THAT today even.
Pozelenore // June 22, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I should qualify that; the only reason it might work today is that Im assuming Casey isnt very informed or very bright.
But it was just a muse … Would Casey have said … Can I see her?
Who had taken her?
Is she okay? or … do I get out now?
Or would Casey have squinted and said …
no, you did not find her alive. I just think a whole lot more would have been thumped up outta her like worms.
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Oh, sure, Laura, I know what you mean. From Caylee’s view, it doesn’t matter at all now who the father is. It’s too late to protect her.
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 5:48 pm
That’s an interesting thought, Pozelenore.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Pozelenore~~you may find this interesting. How far can police go to get a confession?
http://www.williams.edu/Psychology/Faculty/Kassin/files/FindLawFearFactor11-02.pdf
I would love to scare the prison garb off Casey by visiting her as a ghost. I doubt if that would work, she has no conscious.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Please believe me when I say I am not trying to instigate anything. I am very much a pragmatist and I tend to look at facts more than theories.
Pozelenore // June 22, 2009 at 5:52 pm
okay, im leaving Dave, just one more stooopid:
If they told her caylee had been found alive, she probably would have asked caylee if she remembered Tony’s number.
Dang, what a waste of F* time that would have been. I smile, I know I am odd, and Im leavin.
Take care all of you Ina, Laura, Det ..
Los Ang Boston Deb Newbie
Night Owl and of course
Chocolate eclair .. i mean I’ddclaire ..
and the Beas/Bees with and without knees:
you are a fun and bouncin read every day!
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:52 pm
That’s a very interesting scenario, Pozelenore. My guess is that she would have reacted the same way when word got out that bones may have been found in the Little Econ River at Jay Blanchard Park.
Pozelenore // June 22, 2009 at 5:55 pm
thankx detwill, i actually was circling that question – how far can LE lie too?
its exactly what I wanted to poze, thanks for the info link.
You rock
laura // June 22, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Detwill what kind of documents are coming out next? I think I read that my “future husband” said per our sleuth more was coming. lol How was the ice cream?
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Y’all come back, now, Pozelenore. That was an interesting question and that is always fun to discuss.
Pozelenore // June 22, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Yes, Detwill, yes, the ghost visit!
I hope that happens spiritually, I do.
In the Raven, the ghost of Lenore … says it will not leave him.
Hence, the nevermore. Lets hope she has one on HER CHAMBER DOOR.
And thats why I call myself – Poe’s lenore.
Im just not sure how much of that and my own
crap that I really believe or just play with. But if ever there is a haunting, im here to skootch it along its way.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Aaahhh, Laura. I like it when you talk about me and ice cream in the same comment. I’m hoping that it means you think I’m sweet.
Newbie // June 22, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Good heavens, I sure hope whoever the father is does not become public. He surely would be burned at the stake before even opening his mouth. You think Kronk was thrown under the bus, think what it would be for the father. Whew!
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Dave, early in the case, the FBI was investigating the case, during those investigations , indications as to who the father was could have come up (not that the FBI specifically set out to test every male in Florida to see who the father was or that they even wanted to) but in the course of their investigations earlier in the case, indications may have come up as to who the father may have been, and from there, they would have pursued it for testing.
When Padilla bailed out Casey and was actively involved in the case, he often talked with FBI agent Nick Savage. Padilla stated on national TV, on the Nancy Grace show, that the FBI indeed knows who the father is but have not revealed it to the public.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 6:07 pm
You got that right, Newbie.
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Good bye, Pozelenore, and thank you.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Well, LosAngeles, Leonard Padilla is also the guy who directly implicated Roy Kronk in the daisy chain conspiracy. The FBI does not know who the father is. Let’s look at this from two positions:
1) When Lee was asked to submit to a DNA test, he said OK because he knew he had nothing to fear.
2) All other men involved with Casey may or may not have submitted, but in both instances, the objective was clear:
If, at any time prior to, or during trial, the defense brings up a probable cause for Casey’s odd behavior, it could be argued that she was raped, beaten or coerced into performing a sexual act that caused a pregnancy she did not want. It is established that her mother insisted that she carry the child to term, and she did, but at that time, she was an adult and in full control of her faculties. In the current stage of the defense’s plans, there is not a hint of that coming up because she insists she’s innocent of the crime, but in all of these instances LE, prosecutors and federal agencies involved in this case are covering as many angles as possible to avoid possible problems in the future. Please remember that all DNA testing in this particular case has been voluntary and many of her former partners have wanted themselves completely exonerated so they never have to live with the burden of ‘what if’ they are the father. Sure, we’d all like to know who the father is, but it does nothing to help or hinder the state’s investigation.
Pozelenore // June 22, 2009 at 6:18 pm
What happens if a person commits a crime, they are lucid, aware, wrong, guilty .. all of that.
but then in jail the incarceration itself drives them just brainless, nutz. They cant stand trial.
But they werent nutz when they comitted the crime. Now what do you have, do you know ?
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Pozelenore~~hey I like your style so come back soon and we shall rock their socks off.
If it hadn’t of been for your question, I would never have bothered to look up that…”How far can police go to get a confession?” I just finished reading it and it is very interesting. If Casey had waived her Miranda rights, the LE had alot of leeway in getting a confession. The Supreme Court will go along with alot of the tactics as well…
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 6:24 pm
If the court system deems that person incapable of standing trial, they are remanded to the custody of the state (depending on where this occurs) and undergoes psychiatric treatment. When (and if) the person is found to be mentally stable enough at a later date to stand trial, the court will be waiting. Bear in mind, a long stint in a hospital like that is no dream. It is a prison to people who know better, and it’s tough to prove insanity in most states.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Pozelenore~~have you been drinking cranberry juice? Once a nutz, always nutz….that bad copper just knocked the brain matter out of that poor criminal….now if they could just learn to knock the sense in ‘em…the jails would be empty and you and me could visit all them bars.
Pozelenore // June 22, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Thx dave
In forming final thoughts on this case I just cant think what else she is going to come up with besides blame for WHY she did it, its gonna have to come down to she did it and she is nutz.
So I leave it there for a while, I’ll be back to read you all again, thank you for all your help and company.
Dave, if you ever set up that “hotel” dont forget to leave a key hidden for me, perhaps on the rail above the door.
Newbie // June 22, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Pozelenore, I have often wondered if Casey had not been called on her lies so quickly, how far her foot would have gone into the mouth cavity !
Everyone understand please…..I am not saying the detectives did anything wrong !!!!
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 6:37 pm
I will tell you exactly where to find that key, Pozelenore.
I don’t get the impression that the defense is going to sway from its present stance. Casey is innocent and the plan is to whittle away at the circumstantial evidence and form a vast shadow of doubt in the jurists’ minds.
Thank you, by the way.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 6:40 pm
I don’t think anyone would argue that the detectives haven’ been doing a great job, Newbie. They’ve been very thorough on this one. We have good cops around here.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Dave, I guess Jose was on a morning news show today and said that the medical examiner cannot prove murder. Now how do you suppose he is going to play this out in court Caylee did it to herself? Just curious, this is why he should really shut up. That makes no sense.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Oh yea you are very sweet! So I meant to say that first off and forgot.
Newbie // June 22, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Before going back to my own business, I need to say something that keeps popping into my head. Caylee had no father on this earth. She was sired.
She is with her true Father now.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 6:53 pm
There you go, Newbie. That was very nice.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 6:55 pm
The medical examiner cannot prove murder so that leaves, accidental or by natural causes.
So, we do not know of any congenital conditions that Caylee had. I am assuming that because Cindy was a nurse, that Caylee had regular medical check-ups. We can rule out natural causes and that leaves us with , accidental.
Mr Baez, sir, and with no disrespect, please tell us when, where and how this accident happened and under whose watch.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Dave I know he is kind of doing his job but shouldn’t he say Casey is innocent and I will prove it, but to say that the medical examiner can’t prove murder that is really stupid.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Baez can say whatever he wants, now and in court, but in the end, someone is going to be on trial for murdering that little girl. It happens to be his client and the jury is going to see graphic evidence of a duct taped skull. How is he ever going to convince a jury her death was anything but murder?
I wouldn’t worry about what he says today. Talk is cheap.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 6:58 pm
He’s already said that Casey is innocent at least a thousand times. Trust me, what he says on the news is irrelevant. He can say Obama is from Mars. What he tells the jury is all that counts.
Jeopardy.
Barbie Girl // June 22, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Dave – Thanks for the thoughtful post and for reminding everyone to keep their heads. I don’t know what it is about this case that makes people so crazy. I have tried to keep my senses about me but I do find it easier when I keep my thoughts to myself. I find that sometimes the mass hysteria sometimes takes over. Don’t you see that happening??
I don’t know which is worse, the thought of poor little Caylee knocked out with choloform and then dying somehow or other, or innocent helpless Caylee struggling to breathe with layers of duct tape over her mouth.
I agree with everyone who says that George needs to separate himself from Cindy and come clean. He needs to clear the air. I know he can’t because Casey’s life is at stake. He will never be at peace until he does.
The new evidence regarding the autopsy result isn’t really anything new at all. We have known about the duct tape placed over her mouth for a long time now. The chloroform was just speculation.
It seems to have incited everyone.
The trial is such a long, long way off and a lot can happen until then.
Getting hysterical will not solve anything. Everyone needs to remain strong for Caylee and hope that justice will be served in the end.
Barbie Girl
Kari // June 22, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Id’claire–Thanks for your response. Your theory is coherent and I think it’s about what most people believe happened.
I have two problems with this theory:
If Casey was really planning this ahead of time–why did she make so many abysmally stupid mistakes? There really doesn’t seem to be much of a plan, beyond accusing the fictional babysitter.
If she was not planning it, or if she committed the murder too soon, in a moment of rage–why the duct tape? I just can’t picture the enraged person who says, “I can’t stand the sight of you any more, just hold still while I tear off a few strips of tape, and let me duct tape you to death!!”
What sort of death would be natural for an enraged adult to inflict on a small child? Most often, it’s head trauma from blows, or throwing them against a wall, etc. Sometimes it’s internal bleeding from a blow to the abdomen. Sometimes it’s a choking death, or shaken-baby syndrome.
I am becoming more convinced that the people who said the duct tape was put on after death must be right.
Even if Casey somehow was found innocent, I think she’ll end up a sort of legend, like Lizzie Borden. I wonder if that pleases her?
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 7:42 pm
That is very wise of you to try to sort it all out and keep everything in as proper a perspective as possible, Barbie Girl. Yes, it is tough. I know that I may sometimes come across as a tough guy, but I assure you and everyone else I am not. There is a proclivity to wander and suppose and conjecture and things do get grossly out of hand and distorted at times. I try to keep things as even and level as possible and I realize people are going to get their noses bent out of joint, but in the end my sole purpose is to stay on the ground instead of allowing the blog to float off to some distant planet ruled by anarchy. We have witnessed the downfall of several blogs. I don’t mean their popularity, because this is not about “our” popularity. It is about Caylee and justice, but we have seen blogs fall apart with what the content is and what the comments say. For sure, there are people attacking each other, for crying out loud, and that is a senseless shame. I guess the fact that there is nothing earth shattering coming out in the news makes some people edgy, but if we have created a community at our respective blogs, why not discuss other things to keep our minds from becoming to idle that we go after each other like pit bulls or even for the mere sake of argument?
I’m with you. I will continue to find new angles to probe and write about. I hope my posts are there to stimulate the mind because I sure don’t do it to fight with anyone.
Thanks, Barbie Girl. That was very nice.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Here are a few things to ponder…..
It is the evening of June 15/08. Cindy and Caylee, earlier in the day, visited Cindy’s father at the nursing home and also visited Shirley Pleasea, Cindy’s mother. While visiting with Shirley, Cindy learns that Casey has stolen money from her grandparents.
When Casey arrives home at Hopespring, Cindy confronts her about the money. A heated argument ensues and Cindy tries to choke Casey.
Where was Caylee when this argument was going on? It must have been pretty loud if the neighbors heard it. Caylee must have been terrified to see her nanny try to kill her mother.
Casey storms out of the house and takes Caylee with her. Do you ever wonder if Caylee was crying out for her nanny? The more she cried out for her nanny, the more enraged Casey became.
With all the pent up anger that Casey had towards her mother, for trying to steal the affections of her daughter, do you think Caylee’s crying out her nanny’s name …that just maybe, that is what put Casey over the edge to the point she had to shut the child up?
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Interesting, detwill39, but who is the nanny? Law enforcement, with all their talents, could not find one.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Dave~~I have no idea what you are talking about. I put some points out there to ponder and they go against the June 16th, 12:40pm siting of Caylee and Casey by George. That vivid memory of George’s, after one whole month, he knew exactly what they were wearing. Don’t worry, I am not telling any of this to OSCO, it will be our secret.
The nanny and LE are all after the fact. Would you rather I go back to discussing ‘ who’s the daddy?’
You have been eating too many castor beans!
Newbie // June 22, 2009 at 8:05 pm
detwill, you are referring to Caylee calling out for her nanny meaning Cindy, right.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 8:08 pm
lol Detwill. I can understand why the nanny wanted to choke Casey….
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Newbie~~if Caylee was scared, I think she would be crying out for Cindy…. not the other nanny…LOL
Newbie // June 22, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I am having brain burps….when was it Cindy showed up at Tony’s picking Casey up? Caylee was also with them while that “fight” went on?
Newbie // June 22, 2009 at 8:16 pm
I think I better go talk to my flowers. My pea brain has had it.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Cindy went to pick up Casey at Tony’s on July 15th when all this went down….
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I don’t think so, but I don’t know and none of us do. Padilla is the one who said Lee confided in him about the fight. Was Lee even there that night? Have the authorities made that clear? I think not. If it was the 15th, what is wrong with the police? I mean, they say the 16th. Why must we always go back to the 15th? I don’t care if we do, but I still like to base my thoughts on what we have been told by legitimate sources, like LE, not Padilla. Not looking for a fight, but why go back there?
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Sry I was on phone with my Toronto daughter…
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Dave~~I am not picking any fights. I put out some food for thought, not facts for thought.
I am sorry if this June 15 versus the 16th seems to be ….what can I say? I will refrain from mentioning that date again.
I was just trying to keep the conversation flowing. What I wrote about Caylee being exposed to arguments did cross my mind.
If we cannot give opinions and theories, then we may as well discuss other topics until we get some facts from more documents.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Something just tells me that LE would know more about the night of the 15th than any of us and we would be told of it by now. I would be more interested in discussing a valid reason for George and Cindy to lie about a 15 hour difference from the evening of the 15th to the early afternoon of the 16th. What purpose would it serve for the Anthonys to lie about it? Just to prove that they are bigger liars? One day is not going to make a difference and I don’t understand this fascination with proving LE wrong. Can anyone answer why the discrepancy in the two dates is worth it? The girl is dead. The Anthonys have already stated that Casey was the person who took her out of the house and that was the last time they saw her. I just don’t get it. Too many castor beans?
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I love to discuss everything, detwill39, but I would be a lot happier if just one agency said it was the 15th. Then, I would welcome it with open arms. If the 15th ever is brought up as a strong possibility, I will embrace it, believe me, but I haven’t heard anyone besides Padilla and other commenters discuss the fight and the 15th. And where did she go with Caylee that night? She couldn’t have slept in her car with the engine running. It is in the upper 90s that time of year. She didn’t sleep at Lee’s.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Dave~~one day can make all the difference in the world. It is called MOTIVE and also indicate the state of mind of the murderer.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Then why hasn’t law enforcement addressed that date as a possibility? You know they would love to use it against her.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:34 pm
How about the wee hours of the morning of the 16th and I wont say the month….’cause I promised not to?
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Dave~~do you think Yuri Melich and Sgt Allen and Edwards argue back and forth like us? It wouldn’t look right if they kissed and made up but we can…..smooch…. I am gonna take a little break…
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 8:43 pm
On separate interviews, and when Caylee was simply listed as missing, Cindy said she heard Casey and Caylee talking that morning of the 16th before she left for work. George said he saw them leave early in the afternoon. This was said before murder came into the equation and they were not trying to protect Casey like they are now. Law enforcement has chosen to believe them. That would be law enforcement I just said. If the fight gave a motive, why would the prosecutors not jump at the chance to show the fight on the night of the 15th as a motive after Casey stomped out the door? Suppose Casey and Caylee went into Mommy’s room and Mommy slammed the door shut and didn’t come out until she knew Cindy would be out of the house and on her way to work. That would explain George’s statement that he had breakfast with her. H
Casey’s cell phone records proved she stayed within range of the house. Did she go across the street and kill her daughter? One of the key issues in this crime is centered on the date. It is of the utmost importance. Why would LE say the 16th? Please, just give me a reason and I will love you forever.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 8:44 pm
The thing is, detwill39, Melich, Allen and Edwards are not arguing over the 15th and 16th. They are in unison. Why can’t we be?
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Dave~~I did try and leave…
First off, where does it say that Cindy heard Caylee and Casey talking in the bedroom on the morning of J___ 16th? Cindy said the door was closed, I believe she said they were asleep because she heard them in there.
George did not make any mention of having breakfast with Caylee in any interviews with FBI or LE. He mentioned having breakfast in the past two weeks.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Dave~~we dont know if Melich, Allen and Edwards are arguing. If they do, it’s behind closed doors. We do it right in public….shame on us…LOL
laura // June 22, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Hey I am just putting my 2 cents in here since you 2 are kicking around ideas, I believe when they picked the car they knew something bad had happened. Law enforcement/nurse they knew the smell. jmo
laura // June 22, 2009 at 8:56 pm
lol Detwill if I get in trouble for my comment the wedding is off!!!
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 8:57 pm
I am beginning to feel like Casper and am dealing with a stubborn exorcist…
Dave, I really like you a big bunch, even tho we don’t agree on very much…
Breaktime…
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 9:00 pm
laura~~well I am not going before a minister with Dave…If I say, “I do,” he will say, “I don’t.”
They say unlikes attract…no wonder I love your man… I am really going this time..
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 9:06 pm
I don’t know why you are going anywhere, detwill39. We work well together as a team. We have a problem with that one date and I bent over backwords to make my point. You know how much it bothered me when you left. Why bring this up today? We were having a great time until then. Maybe, I should just stop writing about this case.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Dave don’t stop writing! Detwill don’t leave us!! I am going to drive to N.S. and pick Detwill up and then drive her to Florida we need family counseling. Detwill I need directions!!!!!! lol
Id'claire // June 22, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Barbie Girl–I found that some facts of the report was new to me. I appreciated the info.
Kari, Casey may have been planning before hand in a fantasy way with intention, but not thorough. When she killed, I think she did it without so much planning…thus, the mistakes. I think Casey is clever, but even the most intelligent slips up here or there. Casey seemed the type of person to act or react, and cover up later in lies, not a thorough planner at all.
My question regarding the 15th or 16th is the Casey’s state of mind. If she killed Caylee right away after the argument, I would see it as more a fit of rage. Otherwise, Casey would have to “hold ” that rage in X number of hours, until she did the deed. That should’ve given her time to come to her senses, but instead maybe it just gave her rage time to steep and brew. If done on the 16th, the death would seem even more deliberate.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Dave~~are you serious? This has nothing to do with cell phone pings. I am not leaving, I just needed to pee. LOL
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 9:17 pm
You scared the living crap out of me, detwill39. I was seriously thinking of shutting down the blog. I feel much better and OK, it was the 15th.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 9:20 pm
No stop. Read my 9:09 post I am on my way!
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Dave~~ I have not forgot ‘Hard Cell’…we both made a boo boo back then and that is all history. Those dates are going to come up but just let’s overlook them.. The trial can’t come soon enough for me for then we will know what the state will put on the table.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I think that sounds like a smart plan. I do want to do some exploratory stories about the crime, you know, not just things based on news. I really liked working on the piece about mothers who kill, which delved into psyche issues. I might take up a few things that are more controversial.
Laura, I’m not going anywhere yet and neither is detwill39. Things are alright. I would still give you a backrub, though.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Okay, you can do that I need one now. You and Detwill are killing me, we have to stick together so if you two keep it up it is family counseling!
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Dave~~maybe a combination of some of your previous posts.
If my kidneys start to fail…do you know who I am going to blame it on? I had to burn rubber to make it…LOL
laura // June 22, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Detwill now that was funny. Oh my gosh you are silly!
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Dave~~it is strange how I am viewing the comments and can scroll back to see the latest ones. How in the world do you view all of our comments? I am wondering if this can cause some confusion. If you go back, you can see that I did not indicate I was leaving…I was taking a break. Hey, but it goes to prove one thing….you loves me don’t ya?
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Yeah, I see all comments and when you said you were leaving, I thought you meant it that way. I didn’t want anything like that to happen at all. With you gone, Laura wouldn’t want me anymore, either. I would have been all alone in the world and my heart would… OW, what is that sharp pain?
laura // June 22, 2009 at 9:50 pm
We aren’t leaving you!!!!!!! We love ya to much for that.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 9:56 pm
That’s good to hear. I feel the same way about all of you, too, especially you.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 10:09 pm
You are such a doll, but you need to talk to Detwill she is ignoring me. Don’t tell her I said so! Okay?
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 10:10 pm
And so I play second fiddle….but that’s okay, with a little rosin, a fine tune can be played on an old fiddle.. I almost played ‘The Rippling Water Jig’… Dave, don’t you joke about any Ow- sharp pain.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 10:13 pm
I actually did have heart pains today. Angina, I believe. I am going to make another appointment tomorrow.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 10:15 pm
laura~~I always come in here thru the front page of WordPress. I noticed one of the natives is restless again. I did make a couple comments at Kreuzer’s , he doesn’t write a very long post and most is copied but I feel bad he doesn’t get many hits. He seems like a nice family man and does other writing but I have not read any. I can’t keep up with Dave’s writings.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Keep us posted!
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Dave~~do you have nitro spray and are you on isordil?
laura // June 22, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Yea I try to post at his just because it does seem like a nice guy. What do you mean you can’t keep up with Dave’s? If we have a question you find the answer.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I noticed the restless one again. To bad they can’t all get along.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 10:24 pm
laura~~I meant the articles that Dave writes. There are loads of them and they are real good. Good ‘ down to earth’ reading with a sense of humor thrown in.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Oh yeah. I love reading what he writes. He is a very good writer. I would buy his books, if he wrote some.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 10:34 pm
So, you are going to leave me?
No, no nitro yet, but I think I need it. I’m not familiar with isordil.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Hey is it true they want to take Casey to trial in the next 60 days for the check fraud?
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Dave~~you take the isordil before you get any pain. If you planned to do physical work that you were not used to, you would take the isordil a couple hrs before hand…my hubby took it…
Isosorbide is used to prevent or treat chest pain (angina). It works by relaxing the blood vessels to the heart, so the blood and oxygen supply to the heart is increased.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 10:41 pm
NO WE ARE NOT! STOP THAT! lol
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Prosecutors want to do that, yes. I will try to look more into it in the morning.
laura // June 22, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Thank you goodnight see you for coffee!
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 10:43 pm
OK, we can do that. Good night, Laura.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Goodnight folks….our forecast is calling for nasty weather tomorrow with thunderstorms most of the day…
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 10:46 pm
I will look into that, detwill39. Thank you for the info. The pain came on this afternoon and progressively got worse. They hit me every once in a while.
Marinade Dave // June 22, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Good night, detwill39. Be safe.
Detwill39 // June 22, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Goodnight sir…stay well.
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 11:09 pm
I’m not saying there’s any hard evidence that a fight took place.
But the purpose it would serve for the Anthonys to lie about a fight, if a fight took place on June 15th, would be that a fight between Cindy and Casey would give Casey motive for murder.
Now I’m not saying LE has any provable evidence that a fight took place on June 15th.
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 11:18 pm
The only reason I’ll comment at a blog site is if I feel that whoever’s blog it is, has something valid to say.
LosAngeles // June 22, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Laura, I haven’t heard anything about them wanting to take Casey to trial within the next 60 days for check fraud.
Detwill, that sounds like terrible weather.
LosAngeles // June 23, 2009 at 12:13 am
I forgot to say also to talk with the other commenters as well.
marylee // June 23, 2009 at 1:10 am
OMG! Dave, I’m so happy you two kissed and made up!
Detwill39>>take care of your bladder,
Dave will wait for you so take a pee when
needed!
laura, study counselling you’re a natural!
laura // June 23, 2009 at 8:40 am
Marylee, I need to study for that, these kids I swear! Hello everyone! I hope everyone is feeling great today.
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 9:38 am
LosAngeles – You must understand that when George and Cindy were asked about the 15th, Casey was only charged with child neglect and lying to authorities. There was no motive for murder at that time.
As for the fraud trial request, read today’s post.
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 9:40 am
LosAngeles (from 2009/06/23 at 12:13am) – You should always feel comfortable talking with the other commenters and they should feel the same way about you.
laura // June 23, 2009 at 9:46 am
I don’t think it is because of the “argument” that might have played a roll but we must remember Casey’s boyfriend did not want Caylee staying all night at his place. Which honestly I don’t think she should either they only knew each other a month. jmo Caylee was keeping Casey from the life that she wanted. Casey did not change her life to fit Caylee into it.
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 9:46 am
Yes, marylee, everything is fine, thank you.
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 9:51 am
Good morning, Laura. Your heads up about the trial request was the basis of today’s post. Thank you for the tip. Coffee?
laura // June 23, 2009 at 9:54 am
Yes I have coffee and your welcome I have finely contributed to your blog!!!!! It is going to be a good day, I am no longer baggage I contributed. lol
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 9:54 am
You’re right, Laura.
laura // June 23, 2009 at 10:05 am
About what? Being baggage or Caylee not fitting into Casey’s life?
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 10:05 am
You were never baggage, Laura. Never!
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 10:08 am
No, you said, “I am no longer baggage I contributed.” I wrote back saying you could never be baggage.
laura // June 23, 2009 at 10:14 am
Well thank you.
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 10:15 am
My pleasure. You’re the BB.
Detwill39 // June 23, 2009 at 10:22 am
It would be much easier to argue over…”Do y0u want your eggs sunny side up?”
laura // June 23, 2009 at 10:23 am
Okay what is BB. Is that best biotch, best buddy, or best boss?
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 10:24 am
Blog Babe.
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 10:27 am
I haven’t had eggs in over a week. It was when we stopped for breakfast in Enterprise, home of the boll weevil, at Waffle House. I ordered mine over well and Stew ordered his over light. Dang idiot waffle brain cook got our eggs cornfused and by the time either of us knew it, it was too late.
Detwill39 // June 23, 2009 at 10:38 am
Dave~~what happened hon, did you end up with yolk on your face?
laura // June 23, 2009 at 10:39 am
I like it!
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 10:42 am
Well, you are, Laura. I just tell it like it is.
laura // June 23, 2009 at 11:31 am
Dave, I see where people are trying to put the argument in there but who knows the icing on the cake could be Tony telling Casey that Caylee can’t stay all night. It is just more what ifs…. I don’t think a argument with your mom leads to murder if it did I would be a serial killer. By the way I am not a serial killer, I couldn’t hurt a fly.
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 11:40 am
President Obama hurt a fly and PETA went after him. That’s plain nutty.
I don’t buy the fight theory as the murder motive, either. I think she planned on getting rid of Caylee long before that, if the fight happened at all. The prosecution seems to be going in the direction of search terms, such as neck-breaking and chloroform. I feel the motive came up before a fight and it has to do with jealousy and vengeance she felt she needed to take out on her mother. Casey hated her mother for smothering Caylee and for trying to take Caylee away from her. I go with that motive because there are testimonials from her friends that back up the theory.
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 11:59 am
Let me clarify that a bit. I do believe the motive I stated above is correct, but there is a good chance that if the fight did, in fact, occur, then that may be what put her over the edge.
LosAngeles // June 23, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Hi, everyone. I guess I should go read our newer blogs.
Barbie Girl // June 23, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Dave – Thanks for the thanks. This is the only blog site I ever felt comfortable on. I think the individuals on here, for the most part, are intelligent and thoughtful.
I was perviewing blog sites last fall and some of the women (mostly) were getting ready to hang poor Crystal Sheffield out to dry. Then there were the Misty and Ron haters, and we won’t even go into the ones who degraded the grandmothers!! I read but never responded because I felt either not informed enough to know what they did (or did not) know. I had no reason to hate anyone although I did feel Misty was naive maybe and hiding something.
I think in the name of justice for Haylee we should not be attacking her grandparents. I have lost respect for them, over time, but I would never want to walk in their shoes.
I don’t know even after the trial if we will ever know the truth or feel justice has been served.
But you are so right, Dave, the lack of information makes one want to “connect the dots.” And sometimes in our zeal we make some connections that maybe are not really there.
Unfortunately, some of the sleuthers on here get carried away, too. I know sometimes my imagination gets carried away with me.
That’s why I am glad you are a good and true journalist who keeps parameters and always reminds us not to become irrational or vindictive.
I think for Caylee’s sake we should be ever so thoughtful and not become hateful….in her name…that would also be a grave injustice.
Wouldn’t it?
Barbie Girl
Marinade Dave // June 23, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Thank you, Barbie Girl, but I am only one cog in the gear here. I do try to keep everything on the level, yet I understand where and why minds wander. Most of the time, great ideas pop up. I know I am more of a stick with the facts purist, but if I kept strictly to what I know and nothing more, I would be boring and one-sided, not to mention near-sighted.
Sleuthers get carried away at every chance. I’m reminded of House, MD, and I find it to be a fascinating look into medical sleuthing. I realize it’s fiction, but in real life, detectives must think abstractly; sort of always looking at facts and saying to themselves, “What if this instead of that?” Sometimes, commenters do go overboard and the abstract becomes more distorted, but I’m very glad to take it all in. You never know when something will pop out.
I also think everyone here is aware that we won’t tolerate hate, spite, malice and degrading name calling. That just doesn’t fit in the equation of justice for Caylee and as far as I’m concerned, insults like that went out after 3rd grade. Well, not to a lot of people on these blogs, obviously, but not here.
In the end, I would expect and hope that imaginations get carried away. It reminds me of a good Sherlock Holmes book, too. Do I think everyone should be more respectfull of the Anthony family? Yes, but I can understand people’s frustrations. The only problem with it is that too many people take it all way too personally, yet they never walked in the same place as them. Often, I’ve mentioned WWCD, meaning What Would Caylee Do if she could hear and see all of the hatred towards her grandparents. She might have unkind thoughts about her mother, but Jo Jo and Ci Ci were always there for her until almost the end and if it wasn’t for Cindy’s pressing, who knows how long this crime would have remained hidden?
He Knows my Heart // June 24, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Hi everyone, I was just thinking that this is a well written article because it shows one point that most novices will not get on their own.
The fact that Casey told friends that there was a dead animal making her car smell was a dumb, dumb move on her part. You see, any number of things can smell extremely foul, like propane tanks for barbecue grills, dirty diapers, even rotting food. But to make a statement that a dead anything (really) squirrel, skunk, etc, is very dumb, without Casey’s words of something dead (in) on the car, there would only be the words of her very excitable parents claiming something smelled of death in the car; and those words could be more easily dismissed due to the Anthony’s penchant for exaggeration.
But, thanks to Casey, she gave some good solid fuel for prosecutors, by explaining away a smell of death coming from her car. Couple the two accounts of the smell of death, canine sniffing evidence, chloroform, and matching duct tape; this to me is a pretty solid case.
Caylee deserves that kind of justice and solid evidence in my opinion.
Another point to ponder surrounds the idea that lack of drug evidence can hurt this case badly. To me, as far as there being no evidence of continued drugging of Caylee, I think it could be dealt with well by prosecutors. I do not think that Casey’s guilt or innocence is going to hang on whether or not Caylee was constantly drugged… afterall, you duct tape your child and place in her in a trunk once and get caught, who is not to believe that this didn’t happen before, drugs or no drugs… in similar or nearly identical circumstances? If it did happen before, or just once, once was enough to kill Caylee.
The argument that Caylee had to have been somewhere while Casey said she was with the nanny, so maybe she was drugged? may not be a huge argument…. when you can prove that Caylee, even just the one time was duct taped and in the trunk. Lord only knows what she did with her the other times, it doesn’t have to be drugging her. Because, given Caseys lack of regard for Caylee, it would be pretty easy for a jury to conclude that Casey had no money to pay a nanny and no actual job to go to in which to require a nanny. Its pretty clear there was no nanny. By the way… is there a complete accounting of how many times Casey was NOT with Caylee when Caylee was supposedly with the nanny?
Consider this.. Its sad but true but, I know of a case right here in my town where two parents left their babies in the van in the parking lot of a casino on a regular basis. They covered them up, and sometimes gave them alcohol or cold medicine to keep them quiet. they admitted to the drug and alcohol administration, but toxicology reports did not show the substances as they do not stay in tissue long and the duration was not long enough to cause permanent damage to the tissues such as the liver.
Would it be a be a huge stretch to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that they would duct tape their babies mouth and place them in the trunk to keep them quiet and out of the way if they owned a car and not a van? In my opion, yes, as they showed with their character that they could put their child in harms way, the circumstances can vary, the potential of doing so and the carrying out of the act of harming the child is the issue.
What if it just seemed easier one day to cover both the mouth and nose, just to be done with them? Would that be too much to believe?
Not for me, and in Caylees case, I think that anyone who was willing to lie, cheat, steal and create elaborate schemes to rid herself of her child for an hour or for her lifetime, could very well have done just about anything she damn well pleased … including placing Caylee in closets, trunks or wherever was convenient, one time, two times, it doesn’t matter, the lack of drug evidence is minor in my view.
I know this may not sit well with some of you, but I have seen a lot in my life and I have even seen women leave their babies in cars outside of bars just to be with “their” man. More than that, some years ago I heard a man in court describe how he placed his hand over his baby’s mouth until his baby turned blue and then shook him to revive him. He tried to kill his two year old son because he simply was done being a father and couldn’t take it anymore.
The fact is that I don’t know what Casey did to Caylee and how many times it happened, drugging or no drugging, there are (unfortunately) far worse things Casey could have been having occur to her, things that we will probably never know, it only took one time to go too far. I’m thinking that the parents and grandparents on the jury are the ones who will think past tricky issues as their GUT instincts will kick in.
Just my thoughts… H.H.
Marinade Dave // June 24, 2009 at 9:16 pm
I just want to pop in and say hello, especially to Boston, He Knows my Heart, and Weezie. Very good to see your smiling words again.
marylee // June 25, 2009 at 2:34 am
marylee says:
June 24, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Honestly~ Are these freaks just trying to get on NG?
It’s like the new “FAD” kidnap/abuse and kill
a child?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Enjoyed reading the comments tonight.