A hearing took place this morning at 11:00 am in the case against Casey when George and Cindy Anthony asked Orange County District Court Judge Stan Strickland to stop the release of their granddaughter’s autopsy report, which is public record. Authorities have previously said Caylee was murdered but the cause of death could not be determined.
In the request, Brad Conway, George and Cindy’s attorney, wrote that disclosing the autopsy report at this time would “cause great anguish to the Anthony family” as they continue to mourn and struggle with the loss of their only grandchild. The Anthonys do not want to endure “endless comment and speculation in the media and public forums.”
Casey was not at the hearing, but her attorney, Jose Baez asked the judge for a 48-hour stay on the release of the documents. Strickland denied the request and in the end, he denied the motion request. He said the public “has a right to view the same items I look at.” Strickland added that the autopsy report can be released as early as today. [I have since updated and it includes the autopsy report, along with key findings, and a video of the hearing, along with the motions.]
A very emotional George Anthony stormed out of the courtroom near the end after hearing the ruling, followed by his wife. “This last year has been an emotional strain on our entire family,” George told Strickland this morning. “Although the public has a right to know… we ask the court to hold the release.”
George returned to his seat next to his wife, Cindy, clutching a crumpled tissue and a framed picture of Caylee.
The Orlando Sentinel had requested the report, along with other media outlets. The Sentinel’s attorney, Rachel Fugate told the judge “I sympathize with the Anthonys… but that doesn’t mean a public record, an autopsy report, should be closed.”
In his decision, Judge Strickland stated, “It is just findings and medical examiner’s reports. No photos. Information is just factual. No editorializing. It’s quite dry, other than the terrible content.” He added that the public “has a right to view the same items I look at.”
After the hearing, Brad Conway said the autopsy report, which is very specific, has not been read by the Anthonys. “Because of the advanced state of decomposition that the coroner was dealing with, there was very little to work with. It was very thorough, but it doesn’t answer any questions. What it does do is leave speculation open for everybody that wants to decide what did or what didn’t happen,” he added, and that he was very disappointed for his clients.
In my opinion, there has been all kinds of speculation on blogs, forums and other media sources since the crime made the headlines. If anything, this will stir up more of the same whether the report had been released or not, so I see no harm in releasing what, by Florida law, is a matter of public record. For those of you who believe motions like this are slowing down the wheels of justice for little Caylee, get your heads out of the sand. This has nothing to do with the trial. Start thinking with your brain instead of your heart.
>>>>>Report of Examination<<<<<
>>>>>Forensic Report Released June, 19, 2009<<<<<
>>>>>FBI Lab Report<<<<<
WFTV VIDEO OF HEARING
Motion to Restrict Disclosure of Autopsy
Order to Stay
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Boston // June 19, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Right on.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 12:17 pm
George Anthony’s plea…
http://www.wesh.com/video/19800997/index.html
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Thank you Det. That was tough. I know how hard this is but I am glad that it has been released. How could they never cried during the jailhouse phone calls? I know they are crying over their loss but why now? How can they say that this offends their dignity? Why don’t they ask Casey how she can come into court smile, write notes to her attorney and shake hands with new counsel? Last time it was Ms Lyon. Where did her sense of right and wrong go?
Why place the burdon on the judge to “give us peace”. It’s too late for peace. It’s time for justice.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Boston~~I am trying to find the entire video of the hearing. bb as soon as I find it
laura // June 19, 2009 at 12:33 pm
No surprise in that. Anguish is not a good enough reason. I do feel bad for them. Why did they ask about tv appearances?
lulu // June 19, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I’m surprised that George and Cindy made this motion. They have no standing. I’m also surprised that George has never seen the report. Either he doesn’t want to see it or Baez is not sharing it. I suspect it’s the latter.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 12:43 pm
lulu~~I think George Anthony and Baez are on the opposite sides of the fence lately. George and Cindy should prepare for more heartbreak as this case unfolds. Hey nice to see you back here!
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 12:53 pm
I hope you don’t mind if I add my 2 cents on this blog, but I never suspected that Baez and the Anthonys were playing on the same team. They have common interests, but that’s where it stops. They were never really in bed together, just sleeping in the same room on numerous occasions.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I added the autopsy report.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Dave~~ahhh honey, you can add your 2 cents worth on my blog anytime….ooops I almost forgot, darn, this is your blog. LOL
I found the uncut hearing video. The advertisements play but video wont start. It is at WESH 2… thanks for posting report.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Well put Dave. Your 2 cents…lol.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I also added the highlights of the report.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I wonder if they took Casey to medical area again to film her reaction to the autopsy report? Yes, sour grapes.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 1:27 pm
She won’t have automatic access to the autopsy report. She will be able to hear about it on the radio, but she has already been informed by Baez that no cuse of death could be determined. The rest, I’m sure, is irrelevant to her.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Thank you for highlighting the report.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Thanks for giving me a clue what it says, I do not want to read it.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 1:32 pm
It is my civic duty to report it for you. You are very welcome, but there really is no need to thank me. It’s sad, but it has to be released.
mixologist74 // June 19, 2009 at 1:34 pm
So what was Dr G’s “strong opinion”? IMO, since there didn’t appear to be trauma to the bones, I think she was suffocated.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Oh I agree. I knew it would be released today, it’s just I can’t get past that she was a two year old. So I look forwarded to reading opinions.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 1:44 pm
People can die from all sorts of different reasons. The only thing Dr. G had determined was that it was a homicide. Murder is murder and the cause of death, while nice to know, isn’t as important as the determination of murder and that warranted the arrest and death penalty. Calling it a homicide was her “strong opinion” and it carries an awful lot of weight.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Hey I have a question, does she estimate how long Caylee was in the woods?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I believe the determination that was made stated she was dead and in the trunk from 16 June – 27 June. That means she could have died on any day during that period and she could have remained in the trunk for any number of days, as well. She was obviously in those woulds by no later than the end of June by plant and bug samples collected at the scene.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Okay. So does that blow the theory someone put her there while Casey was in jail? I guess what I am asking is it the opinion of them that she was there the whole time since she was missing? I am confused!
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Evidence shows duct tape was placed on before decomposition because mandible was still attached. I noticed the hyoid bone was not found that may have shown asphyxiation.
What I found disturbing was the letters…B-I-G and T-R-O-U-B-L-E as well as C-O-M-E-S and S-M-A-L-L.
After going through the autopsy results, I will be willing to administer the lethal injection.
Kari // June 19, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Thanks, Dave, for making the autopsy available to us. It contained no surprises, but one likes to see with one’s own eyes.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 2:08 pm
The opinion is that she was in those woods by the end of June, a full 2 weeks before Casey was arrested.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Although I agree with your assessment, detwill39, there was no information that proved the tape was there before she died. I could kill a person first and later put tape over their mouth to keep liquids and toxins from escaping in the trunk until I find a place to stash the body.
I think there’s a chance that the alleged murderer later removed clothing the victim was last reported seeing, disposed of them and put new clothes on to try to move the blame to a fictitious nanny later on. That would cover the confusion over last seen and found wearing.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Was the information regarding no drugs in bone or hair samples already known?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 2:18 pm
You’re quite welcome, Kari. That’s me, always the bearer of bad, but important news.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Okay that makes me feel a little better. Now they can’t say she wasn’t there. I mean they can but I don’t buy it because she was scattered (sorry) over a large area and from what you say plant like growing to or around or however you put it.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Yes, Newbie, yet so many people clung to the belief that drugs would be found in the body. If the killer drugged her on the same day that she died, her skeletal remains would never show anything in her bones or hair. They wouldn’t have had a chance to migrate there.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 2:24 pm
It was always speculation from bloggers and forums that made those claims. I mean, that was how these idiotic rumors all got started – that Roy Kronk placed the body in there. Why? To report it found in August, when he didn’t find it? Or to implicate himself in some sort of ridiculous conspiracy involving Casey, Baez, George and Cindy. Because I so firmly disagreed, I became an Anthony lover to those people. I could go on, but I won’t.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 2:30 pm
One of the interesting comments I read elsewhere about today’s ruling said to “chalk one up for justice” or something to that effect. That had nothing to do with justice and it proves to me how mixed up people are with regard to this case. They have no concept of the law. That report would have, HANDS DOWN, surfaced at the criminal trial anyway. How does this impact justice? Justice has nothing to do with what the public is allowed to see. Justice is about punishing Caylee’s killer.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Between one thing and another, I am surprised a motion for a gag order has not been filed since there is concern about the jury pool and Casey’s getting a fair trial.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Yea Dave I saw that comment too. I have a question someone else said something about her being poisoned because of them taking pool chemicals from the house but I don’t think so. I think something happened and Casey kind of snapped like the day with her parents at the jail do you think she was poisoned? I am not reading report I am getting opinions SORRY!
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 2:55 pm
David, you have been busy
I thought perhaps your trip would be here now to see.
So if I get it correctly there is no proof Casey Anthony was killed? Proof from the corpse then? (I like the short version. My eyes won’t read all.)
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 3:01 pm
DEt-Big Trouble. I think if the shirt was in it’s original form it could have said “Here Comes Big Trouble”. They found everything but the “Here”.
God bless that child’s little heart and soul.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Dave~~when was duct tape was placed around skull and mouth? -unknown Dr G concluded it was placed before body started to decompose. I doubt if Casey was familar with the process of decomp. Computer forensics did not show a search for decomposition.
Was drugs administered to Caylee before or during her murder?- unknown due to deterioration of hair and bone samples and lack of tissue. This was due to length of time remains were exposed to the elements and wild life at location of remains.
Length of time remains were at location off Suburban-forensic botanists estimate that the body was there since, at least, July. This conclusion was made from plant growth native to the area.
Length of time body was in the trunk of car- estimate at least 2 and 1/2 days. My own estimate, somewhere June 20th, body was placed in woods.
My theory- whoever murdered Caylee and disposed of her remains had access to the Anthony home.
My conclusion- they have the right person sitting in the jail cell and she acted alone.
Dr D.
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 3:02 pm
You’re right Ina there is no proof that Caylee Anthony was killed.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 3:12 pm
LOL Boston…your are persceptive my dear.
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Next question: if there is no proof she was murdered, why do they keep the mother of the dead girl in jail? Just because of some vague circumstancial evidence? From what I read, there is not much of that too. No eyewitnesses, nobody ever saw her abuse her daughter.
Still she is locked up. Is that normal procedure? ( I never follow murder cases.) I would think she could be released then?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I found that comment strange, Laura. That’s certainly not the only one, nor is she alone in her thinking, but it shows me that a lot of people out there have no clue about law and what legal maneuvering is all about. That’s why I get angry sometimes. Maybe it’s a guy thing.
The report doesn’t dispute any theories about how she died. She could have drowned, she could have been poisoned, she could have been strangled. We will never know. People can guess all they want, and even I wrote my theory about a possible murder scenario, but I labeled it fiction because I just don’t know.
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I am filtered dear David. As if I am coffee.
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 3:15 pm
( I was thinking of the song there is a hole in my buckett, that explains the dear. Festival here. I go nuts. )
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:15 pm
I’ve been busy writing about my trip, but this is news today. The medical examiner stated that the girl was a victim of homicide. Her mother is in jail facing the death penalty. That’s pretty clear to me. What would you think if a body was found stuffed in a garbage bag with duct tape attached to its mouth and hair? Accidental?
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Dr. D-I always assumed that the duct tape was placed there so that the child would not make noise or placed there so that if she woke up she would not be able to cry out. She could have given her an excessive amount of Sudafed (remember the Day Care provider who bought cases of it at BJ’s for her day care? She was convicted of manslauter for the death of one of the children placed in her care) and placed it over the mouth while she slept. It has always been my contention that the child was placed in the trunk alive. She remained in the trunk until decomposition made it impossible to drive the car-prior to July 23 when she and Tony drove the car to 4937 HopeSpring Drive. The trunk had to have been empty. So the 20th sounds good to me.
I doubt if it matters that the bones tested negative for drugs-the air samples test positive for chorolform and even if they dismiss it as “junk science” the jurors more than likely will not. If it turns out that they believe the computer forensics it won;t be much of a leap to believe she cooked up a batch. I think it is reasonable to assume. Casey had access to the movable crime scenes and the vehicle.
She should have plead out knowing from day one that the special circumstances were in effect and carried the death penalty. She goes forward at her own peril.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:20 pm
There are a lot of ifs in this case, detwill39. All I’m saying is that since no cause of death was determined, it leaves wide open a whole array of possibilities. We knew all of that before today, when Dr. G gave her initial assessment on 19 December. We know she was murdered.
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 3:22 pm
She was burried. Who says murdered?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Ina, that is what we have trials for. At the bare minimum, she sits in jail for neglecting her child. Tell me there’s no proof of that. All evidence, circumstantial or not, leads to the mother. Should they let her go because someone other than the state of Florida thinks she’s innocent? She is innocent. Until proven guilty.
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Ina it is impossible that a two year older could commit s——e. Can someone accidently wrap themselves in trash bags and fall into a swamp? Even if we didn’t have a body we have clear and convincing evidence that something happened to this child. The mother was the last person to state that she handed the child over to her Nanny. Other than the Nanny she was the last person to see her alive. We do not have to have the body to know that the child is dead. Officer Melisch/Allen testified in court on July 17, 2008 that they had evidence that a dead body had been in the trunk.
The case of First Degree Murder can still proceed without a body.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Boston, I am going to have to ask you to be clear on the Dr. D thing since detwill39 and I share the same first initial.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 3:25 pm
We must keep in mind that air samples taken of the trunk at the body farm showed high levels of chloroform. The levels were higher than what is present during the process of decomposition. They made a theory that the corpse would had to have ingested chloroform over a period to time for the levels to be that high.
I realize that the defense will argue that the body farm is relatively new in performing these tests.
When all the prosecution’s evidence is amassed and presented at trial, I believe they have a strong case.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Dave~~I signed my comment with Dr G….we share the same initials but not brains…lucky me huh?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:29 pm
OK, detwill39, then explain why no drugs of any kind were present in bone and hair samples if high levels of chloroform would have to have been ingested over a long period of time. I’m not disagreeing with you, but the defense clearly is.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:30 pm
OK, I see it now.
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Ina-Good Luck.
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 3:33 pm
David, has she been accused of child neglect, then surely she won’t have to face death penalty. No, they want her for murder, but as there is no proof, where is the case?
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Thank you Boston
But I think whatever I say, it won’t make a difference. Casey is guilty! to some.
I give up.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Dave~~First of all, we are not 100% sure Caylee was murdered. There is always the possibility, tho slight, it was an accidental death. You said and I quote…
We knew all of that before today, when Dr. G gave her initial assessment on 19 December. We know she was murdered.
If you find I am being too repeticious in rehashing info, please let me know okay!
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Where is the case? In Florida, Ina. Do people get away with murder in Holland if there are 999 pieces of evidence against them instead of 1,000? All of that evidence points to the mother.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Dave~~if a child had ingested chloroform over a period of time prior to death, levels of chloroform would be higher during decomposition. The body farm was testing air samples from the trunk which had a decomp stain therein. They had no body so worked with what they had. As I recall, they had a strand of hair and possibly not of a quality that could be tested for drugs.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:47 pm
No, that’s not my point, detwill39. All I’m saying is that Dr. G made the assessment back in December that the child was a victim of homicide. That was established then and reiterated today. The state made the determination of murder the moment Casey was charged with the crime. Of course, the state has to prove it and the defense will do its best to negate all of the evidence presented at trial, but there was nothing earth shattering in the report today, was there? Was there anything all that new other than no drugs of any kind were found in her hair and bone samples?
Like I said, I’m not disagreeing with you. We both agree that the right person sits in jail.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 3:47 pm
I just watched the YouTube video on Cindy Adams Crime Reporter’s Post(?). The fourth section at 7:36 minutes is rather interesting. hmmmm……..
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 3:48 pm
I don’t see it that way. It could all be from somebody elses doing. Proof is if people can say: I saw what happened. Or if there are fingerprints on a gun etc. But what has been found and made public can all be handled by the defense. If there is so much doubt about what happened, surely also in Florida the case will be dismissed? Say yes, I need to go to bed lol.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:49 pm
… and you didn’t provide a link, Newbie?
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Dave~~I will be back later to discuss the autopsy report …it will not be so confusing later with all the asides you have to anwer…so carry on…bbl
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Actually, I’d rather if you stick around and I leave, to be honest, not that there isn’t room for all of us.
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Jesus. Asides…
David, am I an aside?
Is better than an ass side
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 3:55 pm
No, I guess I should have?
Hilde // June 19, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Hi Every One..
I did read the Autopsy Report.
Thanks Dave for posting the Report.
It was no Surprise to read it, we already had Knowledge of most of what was in the Report.
At the same time it still was hard to actually read
it on black and white. It made me sad to know
how that beautiful innocent Child must have died.
Caylee’s Promise of a Future whatever it might would have brought for her was taken away in such a cruel Way, she never had a Chance to grow up!
The Way I see it, the Report does state very clearly it was Homicide, just because it can’t be determined how she was killed as of right now, the Fact still remains it was Homicide,
Homicide means some one murdered Caylee and it was not an Accident.
The State must have had enough Evidence to charge Casey Anthony with Murder of her Daughter Caylee.
It would be beneficial if the Prosecution would be able to determine how Caylee was killed but I do not believe it is necessary.
All the Prosecution needs to show that it was
Homicide. I believe the Prosecution will have enough Evidence to show that the right Person is sitting in Jail awaiting Trial for the Murder of Caylee Marie.
JMO
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Newbie~~hi honey….I love your rose…please stay…I find it a little confusing to try and concentrate as I take this case serious..
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 4:03 pm
hey detwill. Seems like there are always more questions than answers.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Newbie do you have a link?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Ina, let me put it this way. If your child went missing and months later the body was found inside garbage bags with duct tape wrapped tightly around the skull, tossed in woods to rot, would you tell police not to worry, that it must have been an accident, whoever did it? Or would you guess the dead body put itself in a bag in those woods?
What if evidence showed that the bags and duct tape came from your neighbor’s house? Would you tell the police they have no proof and therefore the suspect must be set free? Believe me, there’s tons more evidence than that.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Nah, Newbie, but it would have made it easier to find. No big deal.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Lord, I thought of asking Dave to change my red rose into a pink rose this morning. Slap me!! The pink roses at the recent memorial remain in my mind.
Off subject for a quick minute, a book should be entitled Void of Yesterday with the picture of the swing set on the cover. Back cover should have the picture of the flowers with one butterfly.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Newbie~~you have that right for sure! I would never make a good school teacher, I just don’t have the patience for it. If the students kept asking me silly questions, I would be charged with abuse. Dave has the patience of a saint!
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Well there is no need to take this so serious, as we have nothing to do with the case anyway
Lighten up! The mother is the one who is in jail facing this time in prison or even death, not us.
Never heard that word. I think I will go asiding 
Goodnight!
Hi newbie. I am an aside.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 4:10 pm
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m6d19-Video-Judge-releases-autopsy-report-of-Caylee-Anthony-parts-4-and-5
I don’t know how to just get section four.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Nite Ina.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Thank you, Hilde. I kind of look at it this way: Suppose a guy jumps off a 30 story building. SPLAT! He’s dead. There were no witnesses. Nothing except the fact that the guy is flattened like a pancake and lying at the base of that 30 story building. Without proof, how do we know for sure he fell from that building? Can we make a determination based on factual information? Yup, the body is fresh. Yup, the body is creamed. Yup, he did work on the 30th floor. He even left circumstantial evidence behind. His office window was left open, along with his shoes. His office door was even locked from the inside.
Now, I just wonder, can we guess what happened based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:15 pm
That would make for an interesting title and art work, Newbie. Let me know if you want a pink rose. I can find a very pretty one for you.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Thank you, Newbie. I will go take a peek.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Good example Dave.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I don’t know where you get the aside idea, Ina, but some of us do take this case seriously. I’m surprised you haven’t noticed that by now.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Thank you, Newbie, I try.
Hilde // June 19, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Dave… You do know how to make a Point
Point well taken!
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 4:18 pm
David, that comparising goes limping around your blog. In this case, the prosecution needs a bit more then what they have got. You know that?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I can’t say that, Ina. Do you know more than the state of Florida? Why would they charge her with murder if they have no evidence linking her to the crime of murder if it’s no murder after all and it wasn’t her? Silly us.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Thank you, Hilde. To some, there will never be enough evidence.
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I thought Detwill39 signed off above as Dr. D. Sorry, Dr. D! So many people walking around here in white coats today. I have been prompted to ask myself where am I today!
Hi Newbie. By the way, when I don’t see you for a while I often wonder where Weezie is? anyone know? I hope she isn’t walking around in a white coat somewhere!!
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Gee I am still up
David, the aside idea came from commenter Detwill39. The seriousness I never saw really. This is all entertainment for the bored, right? Junk as you call it yourself? The people really involved can only watch in tears what everyone says about them. For them this is serious. I feel deeply for them. But in here… Come on.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:24 pm
That’s OK, Boston. Comments slip by me occasionally since I see them all in one common area. She did sign off with that name and she led me to the errors of my ways. I am sorry about that.
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 4:25 pm
But the prosecution doesn’t claim to have any evidence, now do they?( does it?)
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Boston, yes on weezie. I also wonder about Sheron. I saw her briefly late last night/early morn.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:28 pm
When detwill39 used the word “aside” she wasn’t even referencing you. She was saying that I was getting hit with a lot of questions, or asides, at one time. Don’t take things so personally. It had nothing to do with you.
Don’t you think it would be stupid for the prosecution to charge someone with a crime if they didn’t have any evidence?
laura // June 19, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Newbie was it the video from court today? I think my brain must be shut down, what did I miss?
laura // June 19, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Dave I thought you was taking a break? Isn’t it about dinner time?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Laura – Are you trying to get rid of me? By the way, there’s a link to the video on the main post today.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I wonder about Weezie and magog2, too. I think some people just need a break from all this once in a while.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Laura, I posted the “link” at 4:10 p.m. If you start at about 7 minutes and watch closely at about 7.30 seconds. It just surprised me and took me back a bit.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 4:35 pm
No not at all. I thought you was leaving and Detwill was staying. It would be hard to get rid of you since I am at “your place!” lol
Ina // June 19, 2009 at 4:36 pm
David, please finish that story. Much more fun. I was joking about with that word. You know that. i didn’t take it personally.
Now stop answering my comments or I will never get out of here.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Newbie okay I seen it this time. I think George has taken about all he can handle at this point. I really believe he knows and this is all getting to him. My opinion is that he would have rather not gone the route and stance that they have but he is just pleasing Cindy. In the beginning he was honest and I think he believes this is the only way for Casey to know that they love her. I could be wrong, but I truly believe he wants to be a honest man!
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I don’t mind taking a break, either, by the way, but I do believe detwill39 is sleuthing at the moment and trying to avoid the superfluous stuff.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I know. It gets nuts in here at times. Keeps it interesting!
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Interesting to say the least. I think you are right about George, though.
Detwill39 // June 19, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Dave~~detwill is just ‘limping’ around, as Ina put it, making comparisons.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Oh, I see, detwill39. Wait until I post the story about my trip. Then, you can compare me and Stewart. Which one looks older and fatter.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 4:53 pm
For a second I thought you meant Tony Stewart then I realized you meant your friend Stewart. Not enough coffee today. lol
laura // June 19, 2009 at 4:55 pm
By the way thank you for saying I “may be right” about George because most of the time I am wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 5:02 pm
No you’re not wrong, Laura. You picked us as friends, didn’t you? You raised well mannered children, right? And you want to move to Florida. That’s the right thing to do one day.
Yes, Stew is my best friend. Old fart.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Lol yes. I have very good taste in friends!
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 5:07 pm
All that needs to happen is for George to go one step too far in his anger and blurt something out when upset by Cindy or the media. I figured Cindy may have insisted on the motion ruled on
today and also wanted George to carry that picture. Ugh.
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 5:10 pm
That’s not true laura. I read your post and also agree. The poor man looked defeated. He loved that child and now look at what they have to deal with. Yes, he more than likely has asked himself “Why, are we doing this”? Cindy no doubt is the driving force. I was glad she put her hand on his back-he has some comfort in knowing that he’s really doing it so that he “can keep his family together”. He has always been protective of Cindy. Without her who has he got left?
Dr. Dave-No problem. No need to apologize to me.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Oh dear, I just had a nonsense thought. I wonder if the neighbors have bought the $20 hearing device to clearly hear the arguments in the Anthony household. Naahhh…..air conditioning is used in Florida at this time of year I would think.
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 5:15 pm
I just hope someone is watching George’s blood pressure or that he is taking the proper medication.
Sometimes I wonder if Cindy grew into being controlling due to mistrust. Guess it really doesn’t matter.
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Ina-(1)If the DA had no evidence to charge Casey Anthony than they wouldn;t have moved forward with Felony Murder. No one is Nifonging Casey Anthony.
(2)Even if you do not believe a crime was commited you can address the question about whether or not a child went missing. We know this to be true because everyone who cared about her wanted to find her. Don’t worry your head about who is responsible just think about what you know now-a year later. The child’s remains were found and today an autopsy was released identifying the missing child.
So, what do we know? A child went missing last year and she has been found. We don’t know how she died or who killed her. All we know is that she was found in a swamp by a Good Samaritan.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 5:35 pm
So do I, Laura, so do I.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 5:39 pm
I don’t know, Newbie. It could have been Conway’s idea, but he should have understood the law no matter who came up with it. At the same time, he does what every good lawyer does and it never hurts to ask. Several people have claimed that it clutters up the system, but it does not. For one thing, the judge and all state and county personnel are going to be at work that day and it has nothing to do with the criminal trial and Casey, since the reports would be used at trial. To us, it’s just more fodder to feast on. It keeps the blogs and forums busy for awhile.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Thank you, Boston.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Every house in Florida that I know of has air conditioning. Certainly in that neighborhood because there aren’t a lot of shade trees. The sun and heat, including humidity, are brutal down here. Even Paris Hilton would stink by the end of the day, although she’d never admit it.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 5:44 pm
I know if something like that happened to me, my heart would have given out by now. George is a really sensitive guy and I feel badly for him.
Dee // June 19, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I am just listening (reading) – thanks for all your thoughts and ideas. I am just to busy right now to think on all this – so hearing your opinions is great. Have a great weekend – all.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Well then, you keep on reading and have yourself a great weekend, too, Dee!
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I don’t know how after all this time anyone could think this was entertainment for the bored. I hardly think the cure for boredom is discussing the death of a young child.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I don’t know how anyone could think this case is for boring people. Obviously, someone hasn’t been paying attention to the threads around here and elsewhere. Or they have no real grasp on this case.
lulu // June 19, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Newbie, I watched the video but did not pick up on what you’re talking about. What surprised you?
Id'claire // June 19, 2009 at 6:54 pm
It is amazing how thorough their reports on the bones were and all that could be tested and determined.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Boston, this is in reference to your comment to me on your post at June 19, 7:29 am on Dave’s previous blog wherein you were referring to my comment on my post at June 18, 7:34 pm on Dave’s previous blog:
Boston, I didn’t “slam” anybody.
I was stating facts about Tony Rusciano
from the documents in evidence.Those were Tony’s own words.
“Slamming” is something different. I’ll give you an examples of slamming:
#1 John Doe has a lump on his back. He looks like the hunchback of Notre Dame. hahaha.
#2 I just dug up John Doe’s records from 20 years ago him and his wife were separated, but neither could move out because they couldn’t afford to, and he was seeing another woman. Well, well, well, looks like you’re caught, Johnny boy. hahaha. Bingo!
#3 John Doe is a Loser! haha.
#4 OMG I just found out. John Doe works in a donut shop. hah!
Again, I did none of the above. I was just quoting Tony R.’s own words from the documents in evidence.
You said what Tony R. did was peanuts compared to what Casey did. I don’t understand what that has to do with anything because:
#1 This isn’t a contest.
#2 It’s not like if two people are being talked about, one has to be the good guy, and therefore the other one is the bad guy.
It’s so obvious what Casey did. It goes without saying. Almost everyone here knows about Casey and knows how I feel about Casey. It’s already a given, and just because we don’t constantly repeat it about her, doesn’t mean we feel any different about it. It’s a given. We already know how Casey is.
Also there have been people who knew Casey who were very cooperative with the police and conducted themselves in an honorable manner. I’ve talked about them with other people on other blogs. So, therefore, when you say:
“Why is it okay to take everyone who knew Casey Anthony to the public square and ’slam’ them? ” that doesn’t make any sense to me.
And the OCSD didn’t want Tony R. on their police force either. So are you saying the Orange County Sheriff’s Department are “slamming” Tony R.?
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 7:10 pm
lulu, the camera was on George and Cindy. George made a movement with his left arm after which Cindy put her hand on George’s arm. George pulled his arm away.
Coreysmom // June 19, 2009 at 7:13 pm
I must make a quick comment due to a storm brewing outside. Thanks for being thorough with your reporting providing links to the report and other info. Good comments, everyone.
I believe George is going to have a stroke before all of this comes to trial, if not at that time.
What brought me near to tears was reading about more than one piece of duct tape on the mouth. It’s one thing to put one piece of tape on the child’s mouth to keep her quiet, which is awful enough, but why more than one? Casey must have been very angry!
Newbie // June 19, 2009 at 7:24 pm
lulu…it happens at about 7:36 on the tape. After reading my answer to you it sounds so simple yet when watching the video and feeling the emotion that moment did make me gasp.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Yes, Id’claire, you’re right. We’ve come a long way since the days of Lizzie Borden, haven’t we?
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Thank you, Coreysmom, and it’s almost as if she was tearing off pieces of duct tape in a hurry and slapping it on her face and into her hair – while very angry.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Dave, thank you for this post about what happened with regard to the release of the autopsy report.
I really appreciate how you ONLY reported the facts about what took place, for our information, and then toward the end you said, “Now in my opinion….”
I found this very refreshing because I can come here and find out what happened with your reporting just the facts, with your opinion reserved toward the end.
At other sites, I find it tasteless and uninviting to read information about an event with someone’s personal feelings and emotions intertwined in the story. I have no use for it when they get sidetracked that way, and the news gets muddled up in an array of emotion.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Boston, I don’t see the relevance of whether someone cries during a jailhouse conversation with their daughter or not.
When you say, “How can they say this offends their dignity?” Well, they have the right by law to try and suppress the autopsy report. Anyone would prefer that to remain private, but the law says autopsy reports are to be made public, with very few exceptions.
As to your question of, “Why don’t they ask Casey how she can come into court smile, write notes to her attorney and shake hands with new counsel?”
All defendants are allowed to write notes to their attorneys during trials and hearings. It’s nothing out of the ordinary. And, yes, defendants will shake hands with their new counsel.
As to placing a burden on the judge, who’s placing a burden on the judge. That’s the judge’s job. It’s his job to oversee the trial.
I am not a fan of Casey’s or anything, but I don’t understand your questions.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I agree, Dave, that the important thing is that it was ruled a homicide. That does carry a lot of weight.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Thanks, LosAngeles. Since I did have an opinion, I decided to end the piece with it instead of mingling it in with the rest of the story.
deb // June 19, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Great read tonight everyone. I can’t bare to read the autopsy report, thanks for all the info and opinions tonight. Dave , always the voice of reason, thank you.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Why of course, Deb, and thank you right back!
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Hi, Deb.
Because she was in those woods by no
later than the end of June by plant and bug samples collected at the scene, no one can claim that someone put her there, say, in December or any other time. Scientific evidence cannot be disputed.
lulu // June 19, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Newbie, I watched it again and saw what you were referring to. They do look like they are suffering. I feel sorry for them but I wonder how they lived so many years in such a state of denial.
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I often don’t understand how others feel but I don;t go after them non stop.I like to have a civilized conversation.
It’s been swell Dave. Take care of yourself.
Det and laura it’s been a pleasure knowing you.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Dave, I remember those wacky claims about Roy Kronk putting the body there. Those statements were beyond absurd. How people can come up with such oddball assertions is beyond me.
I, for one, didn’t think you were an Anthony lover. I thought you had a functioning brain.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Boston where are you going? That sounded finale, you can’t leave us if that is what you meant I NEED YOU!
laura // June 19, 2009 at 10:08 pm
FINAL sorry. it’s late.
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Hey, Boston! What happened? Where are you going? Did I miss something? E-mail me, please!
laura // June 19, 2009 at 10:11 pm
What happened? Will you talk to Boston please!!!!
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 10:15 pm
As for all the people saying there was no proof Caylee was killed, the autopsy report ruled her death a homicide.
Homicide – the killing of one human being by another.
That means that someone killed Caylee.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 10:18 pm
I did that once, accidentally wrapped myself in trash bags and fell into a swamp.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Dave What happened? Is Boston okay? We are having bad storms just in case I loose internet, I will keep checking until it is gone. Try to fix it okay? Did me or Detwill do something, I am confused!
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 10:23 pm
I’m not sure what happened. It wasn’t you or detwill39 or me for that matter. I’ve been writing.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Can you email Boston. She can’t leave us. I didn’t think we did anything but I wasn’t sure.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Where is Detwill when we need her she is our sleuth she has all the answers. DETWILL HELP BOSTON FLEW THE COUP!
Marinade Dave // June 19, 2009 at 10:36 pm
I will e-mail her in the morning if I don’t hear from her first. I have an idea about what happened and I know that some of the back and forth comments can be taken the wrong way sometimes. In writing, no one can understand inflexion that’s easily perceived in spoken words. I’ll wait a little while and let things simmer down.
I don’t know why detwill39 hasn’t been around tonight. Maybe I should stop writing about this Anthony case.
Hilde // June 19, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Boston…
I have to make this quick, there is severe Weather coming
Just wanted to tell You, don’t let any one discourage You of giving Your honest Opinion.
I enjoy reading Your Comments, it always gives me something to think about .
Got to get off here, its getting bad.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 10:39 pm
I understand if you did. I hope you don’t though. I love reading what you write. I know it’s late see you for coffee, sweet dreams.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Aside from the fact that Ina thinks she’s an aside, and aside from the fact that we know Dave is not an aside, who really is an aside, if one can confide?
Or, is such information denied?
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Laura, when you said you think George
would have rather not gone the route and stance that they have and that he is just pleasing Cindy, and that in the beginning he was honest and you think that he believes this is the only way for Casey to know that they love her, I think that is a possibility.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Thanks LA. I can see the pain in his eyes. I know he is bursting and trying to do the right thing for Cindy, but this isn’t going to work for him. I would not be surprised if he snaps one day. George is trying to be something he is not, a liar. He loved Caylee, she was the only one in that house that loved him unconditionly.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 11:30 pm
That’s true, Laura. Do you think when George is on the stand at trial, that he will tell the truth then?
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Well, actually, Dave, some people don’t smell, even at the end of a hot day. If you don’t believe me, take a poll on it.
laura // June 19, 2009 at 11:35 pm
I hope he does. I think he will but I think he will be angry. They should never have been put in this position. He loves Casey and he feels guilty because they raised her. I think in the end Caylee’s love will trump all else, I hope that is what happens.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Have a good weekend too, Dee. Sometimes I just listen(read) too because my mind is on other things and busy. Thank you for your comment.
LosAngeles // June 19, 2009 at 11:58 pm
I hope so too, Laura, and I think it’s very possible.
Id’Claire, I concur that it’s incredible the different tests that can be done with science and the information they can find out.
Hi, Coreysmom. Thank you for your comment. Yes, sad about the tape.
LosAngeles // June 20, 2009 at 12:02 am
Boston, if it was me, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to say anything bad.
Newbie // June 20, 2009 at 12:20 am
Los Angeles.
Newbie // June 20, 2009 at 12:37 am
lulu….your 9:53 p.m. comment I am just responding now. All I can say is “ditto”. Quite the response, huh.
Newbie // June 20, 2009 at 12:43 am
Well, since all have evidently gone to bed, I will have to congratulate myself on keeping my fingers away from the keys.
Coreysmom // June 20, 2009 at 12:53 am
I haven’t read all the autopsy reports today but heard that in the bones report that the duct tape covered both nose and mouth.
grace // June 20, 2009 at 2:33 am
i really feel bad for george .he is really hurting i know he wants to be honest but he trying to save casey at the same time i pray for you .
Kari // June 20, 2009 at 9:00 am
Los Angelos, I like the logical way you think.
Kari // June 20, 2009 at 9:29 am
Ina, believe or not, I still cherish the tiniest hope, like you, that Caylee’s death was accidental. Most people are going with the theory that Casey intentionally killed her in a fit of rage against Cindy. Some people see it as a planned out way of getting her freedom back, done in cold blood.
I don’t like either of those scenarios. Casey has not publicly shown much emotion at all for Caylee, and only spiteful anger toward Cindy. It’s hard for me to picture her in such a sudden fit of rage that she impulsively murders her own child. And, seeing how she began by telling such ridiculous lies to police that they immediately disproved them and turned their investigative gaze upon her—well, I also don’t believe she planned this out for months before she did it.
No, I actually still believe she did not mean to kill Caylee, but just to keep her quiet for a while. When she found Caylee was dead she panicked, and maybe she even went into a sort of fugue state afterward and has really blocked it from her mind. Maybe.
The reason I do believe Casey did it, whatever she did, is because if there was someone else, Casey surely, surely would have given them up to the police long since, in hopes of getting out of jail. And if there really had been a Zenaida, well, someone, somewhere would have come forward by now to say they knew her, she babysat for them, she shopped at their store, something.
That’s my thinking on the subject, but say what we want, all of us must admit that you are right, of course. Innocent until proven guilty is the American way, and Casey remains innocent until she goes to trial by a jury of her peers. Then, if the state does not have enough evidence to convince the jury–Casey might still go free, though I doubt it.
Coreysmom // June 20, 2009 at 11:20 am
I wish I could have your thinking, Kari. But one doesn’t cover both nose and mouth of a child with tape to keep them quiet. Bad enough to cover the mouth….
laura // June 20, 2009 at 11:34 am
I agree with you Coreysmom. I have never even thought of using duct tape on my children.
Newbie // June 20, 2009 at 2:38 pm
While I care to hold onto the thought Caylee’s death was accidental, there is always something substantial that contradicts my thinking. But, that doesn’t mean I have given up my thoughts of accidental death !!!
Marinade Dave // June 20, 2009 at 2:43 pm
I think you have every right to believe that, Newbie, and until the trial, any one of us could be right. In this case, I am reporting what the autopsy and forensic reports say and it definitely leans towards murder. Baez and his team think otherwise and there’s never anything wrong with being optimistic.
Newbie // June 20, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Until the final blow, I more than likely will keep my wishful thinking. lol Speaking of wishful thinking, I still CARE to believe some where along the line a plea agreement will happen. lol lol lol
I also think about winning the lottery with my one ticket !!
Marinade Dave // June 20, 2009 at 3:09 pm
And in my heart, I’m still just a 27 year old man with women chasing me everywhere.
Newbie // June 20, 2009 at 3:11 pm
lol…you got it Dave.
Beatrice // June 20, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Dave, maybe that is a problem for your heart. Toooooooo
many women chaaasssssinng you. Run Dave, Run!
Rest, Dave, Rest!!
Marinade Dave // June 20, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Too many women? Oh, that’s a funny one, Beatrice. A broken heart is more like it. Well, that was a long time ago.
Lacilu // June 23, 2009 at 3:33 am
Boston // June 19, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Dr. D-I always assumed that the duct tape was placed there so that the child would not make noise or placed there so that if she woke up she would not be able to cry out.
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Nope, that’s not believable anymore. I always thought Caylee was murdered & the autopsy proves it.
If the skank was just trying to shut Caylee up for awhile what’s with the tape over the nose? I can’t wait to see the Scamanthony’s on their next stop for the Alibi Tour on TV.
With the horrifying details in the autopsy their lies will be even more blatant & will backfire in their ugly faces,
Barbie Girl // June 24, 2009 at 6:37 pm
BOSTON/DAVE – I hope you don’t leave us because your comments are very insightful. I hope Dave has talked you out of your distress. I know I value your input anyway.
I think some of us take our opinions of this case too seriously. It is difficult, believing as we do, when someone else disagrees with us, especially when we can’t hear their tone, and they come across as sounding harsh.
On another topic, I heard Padilla say some time ago that maybe Casey put the duct tape over Caylee’s mouth after she died to make it look like a kidnapping, by the babysitter, as she claimed.
I didn’t take Padilla’s idea seriously back then, but of course, the defense can make all of the claims they want.
I know the autopsy says the duct tape was put there before she died, but who is to say it wasn’t put on afterwards>
Barbie Girl
Detwill39 // June 24, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Barbie~~Dr G said the duct tape was placed on Caylee before decomposition. I do not recall reading that it was placed on before she died. If that was the case, Dr G would probably had ruled ’suffocation’ as a possible cause of death. She ruled, homicide by unknown means.
Boston is back in fine form…thank God!!
Barbie Girl // June 26, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Detwill – Thanks for the clarification. I really was only making a point about what Leonard Padilla said some time ago, that Casey may have placed the duct tape there to make it look like a kidnapping. But I don’t know how much credence anyone gives to Padillas theories (although I like him) I also don’t take this as seriously as some of you guys, although I respect your tenacity for the facts and truths of the case!!
Barbie Girl