Watch the WESH-TV interview with Baez: How Casey Anthony Could Go Free
John Morgan and his law office are asking a judge to force George and Cindy Anthony to respond to many questions they refused to answer at their depositions recently in the defamation lawsuit brought by Zenaida Gonzalez. In those sworn depositions earlier this month, both were hostile towards attorneys Keith Mitnik and the “honorable” John Morgan, presiding. They complained that most of the questions were outside the scope of the lawsuit and hinted that Morgan is in it to seek fame. He’s already worth a considerable fortune.
The questions dealt with issues such as whether Casey stole money from their bank accounts. I can understand that. Zenaida had to get paid somehow for watching Caylee. Where did the money come from? Cindy was asked if she told private investigator Dominic Casey to look in the woods a month before the little girl was found. Sure, and maybe that’s the “park” where the other Zenaida took her. Both were asked about the efforts they made to find the real Zenaida, not the one that Morgan is representing. Morgan has stated that he has every right to ask any and all questions of any kind and about anything. This is his method he shrewdly uses to seek the truth and solve the crime once and for all. At the same time, he said he gets to absolve his client of the crime, who was never a suspect to begin with.
Casey’s former best friend, one of them anyway, has filed a motion asking for a protective order from a subpoena filed by Jose Baez to access her phone records. In it, she is asking the judge to block the attempt because it is too broad, it “constitutes harassment” and it’s just a plain old fashioned invasion of privacy. You go girl. Amy Huizenga is the one who Casey told about the smell of dead squirrels in the car and she’s also the one Cindy called when she couldn’t find Casey or Caylee back on July 15 of last year. That’s what opened up this whole can of worms and took Casey away from a blossoming and lucrative career in pole dancing.
Roy Kronk was the poor fellow who has been accused of being involved in a cover-up. He’s also been called a pedophile. Well, he filed a similar motion, only he’s not afraid of any dates that might help out during his appearance in all this. He just wants to keep his other calls private, you know, the ones he doesn’t want you to know about. What’s he trying to hide?
Here’s a really important tidbit: Today, prosecutors turned hundreds of more pages of discovery evidence over to the defense, including interviews with bail bondsman Leonard Padilla’s employees. One of them, Tracy McLaughlin, spent over a week in close contact with Casey back in August, inside the Anthony home. And here some of you thought Lennie was sleeping next to her. Get ready for a new dump coming soon.
Finally, the state added 6 more expert prosecution witnesses to the growing roster today. Most of them are from the FBI crime lab.
Finis.
214 responses so far ↓
nena22303 // April 24, 2009 at 7:19 pm
That’s what opened up this whole can of worms and took Casey away from a blossoming and lucrative career in pole dancing.
LOL!!!!!! you are a great writer Dave
Marinade Dave // April 24, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Thank you, nena22303. I needed a laugh today.
detwill39 // April 24, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Dave~~I liked that post . Did I detect a little more lenience towards Morgan and his line of questioning? You did not once mention that alot of his questions were not relevant to the Zenaida case….hmmmm
I watched Baez late last night. I found it rather boring and there was nothing much said that we have not already heard. I expected to hear a few bombshells. Last nite, I also checked out another one of your previous blogs and I noticed today that you acknowledged that commenter this am. Can a person just go to the SA ’s office and pick up info ( phone records) that the media did not release to the public? I found that rather odd. I also thought there was a descrepency in some of the info provided by the commenter but I was too tired to try and verify it by going into Casey’s cell records.
Baez is running scared or has way more stamina than he is getting credit for.
detwill39 // April 24, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Six more witnesses for the prosecution, most from FBI crime lab …..now that sounds real good in my books. It brings that ‘Death Penalty’ back to mind. Maybe I am on the right track after all.
Now reading Padilla’s interview should be interesting. I cannot see him answering direct questions without going off the beaten path with his ….”now here’s how I see it…Cindy was…”
I am glad Amy and Kronk are fighting back…their private converstions is none of Baez’ business…does he want to know if they ordered the same kind of pizza as was in the trunk? ..you know….lots of pepperoni but hold the anchovies.
Marinade Dave // April 24, 2009 at 9:25 pm
I don’t think I feel more lenient towards Morgan, detwill39. I do think he’s asking for more than he should get and he’s turning himself into what Padilla did to himself, too, sort of a class clown. Everybody loved Padilla at first and then, he turned everything into a carnival. Morgan comes into this case like he’s this big cowboy out to settle it once and for all. Only, he’s not all that sharp. He could have gotten more answers from the Anthonys had he not asked so many meaningless questions. If the prosecutor wants to ask those questions at trial, then sure, I’m all for it, but at a defamation lawsuit?
To be honest, I was hoping that the guy would have come back and I would have loved to have seen him and Maura discuss the facts as they both know them, but that ain’t gonna happen. I know that the prosecutor releases documents to the media and the media chooses what it wants to make public. We could get information, but it would be more difficult and time consuming for a private person to go after. I have not read the Anthonys’ phone records and I think it would have been difficult for him, living in Connecticut. Yes, I looked up his IP address because I wanted to verify he knew what he was talking about.
Laura // April 24, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Hi guys, thanks for the update. I see you have been busy today Dave, I am sorry people don’t always understand you, but we still LOVE YOU right detwill, weezie anybody????? lol Thanks for all your hard work.
Marinade Dave // April 24, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I think by the time this goes to trial, Baez will be in a heap of trouble. I read that he was going through the wrong door with the motions for cell phone records. He could have gone directly to the phone companies and bypassed Huizenga and Kronk. It shows how inept he really is.
Marinade Dave // April 24, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Hi, Laura. I knew I should have stayed out of that post.
detwill39 // April 24, 2009 at 10:12 pm
All Baez had to do, during his depositions, of Amy H and Kronk, was to ask who was their cell phone providers….poor Baez!
Marinade Dave // April 24, 2009 at 10:15 pm
So I heard and I’m surprised no one really challenged him on it, like the media. I think it was the WFTV, channel 9 legal authority who mentioned it.
stoppage // April 24, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Despite what everyone says….Baez could come out at the end of this with his own talk show! or Crime Defenders Show! He would be on Entertainment Tonight and people could buy posters of him at Wal Mart.
Yes, he could be the first self-proclaimed hispanic Defense Lawyer to have his own Law show. It would be like the Judge Alex show, but since he’s not a judge, the show would have to run a little differently.
Hmmm…perhaps, qualified pretty contenders could plead his help with the bizarrest of cases…and by the end of the show, he would delineate his own magjical defense strategy, with a disclaimer of sorts.
The show would have Leonard Padilla as a special guest several times to keep the ratings up, which would also help Leonard sell his personalized action figures.
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If there is was One and Only One Thing that Could Be Learned from this Case:
Never, No Never, let your adult child drive/use/have a car (especially a white Pontiac) that in your name and address….
Just think…if not for the car, Caylee’s death would never have come to light.
Casey would have married Tony and birthed several boys. (Except, unlike her notebook scrawlings, Tony would have changed his last name to hers, just for fun)
Leonard Padilla would be somewhere in Texas or California, but otherwise unheard of.
Tim Miller would have fewer gray hairs. Lots more money in his business’s account
Nancy Grace would have to run more shows centered around her twins.
And Marinade Dave would have to piece out his special cook book, one recipe at a time, for filler
But then, I suppose, suddenly!! Kronk would have found a bag Dec 11, near his outdoor spot. Then what? By then, Caylee would have been packed away forever in lies. They would have no DNA on file to match up the remains Kronk found, so Caylee’s remains (sorry) would never be ID’d.
Marinade Dave // April 24, 2009 at 10:35 pm
I like it, but I have a question for you. You say, “Casey would have married Tony and birthed several boys.” Would Casey know for sure just who the father(s) of those boys would be?
Laura // April 24, 2009 at 10:42 pm
it’s okay we have had our moments and believe me I am hot tempered (red head) and I got past it, don’t fret we will all be fine. I hope Maura comes back but whatever….
detwill39 // April 24, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Dave~~re Morgan….it seems that anyone out to dispose (no pun intended) of the Anthonys will be rated quite high. We both viewed Morgan’s questioning quite differently. I thought he was brilliant in his tactics. Some questions may have been meant to annoy but that also can incite someone to blurt out info. I know it is not supposed to be an interrogation but, at the very last few minutes, when Morgan took over in Cindy’s dep, he got the answer ‘yes’ on record to a very relevant question.
stoppage // April 24, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Father(s) Schmathers, who cares? Just don’t do the math…..And for Pete’s Sake! Lie! Duh…If necessary, say the fella died or something…it worked for Caylee, and for Zach’s momma. **sob**
Oh, and BTW, the sons will of course each have the initials C M A …….. and look like Lee…….
michellefrommadison // April 25, 2009 at 12:29 am
It’s different when people that think they know the facts as compared to people that actually know the facts of cases. Her-in lies the problem with this case too. Facts always win over emotions in court. And, by accounts of many experts, Casey will surely walk on the first degree charge.
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 12:57 am
michelle~~one little question….do you copy and paste or just run around making it all up at each port of call?
Sophie // April 25, 2009 at 12:58 am
“Her-in”????????????????????????
It’s “herein”.
A ‘legal’ mind would know that.
‘Nuff said.
Ina // April 25, 2009 at 1:10 am
Not your best post, I think. Making fun over a suspect in a tragedy like this, why? But hey, you are only human
Hope you are not offended.
michellefrommadison // April 25, 2009 at 1:34 am
See? Just what I proved, the facts about this case are really starting to scare some uneducated people out there. And, thanks for proving my points!
Ina // April 25, 2009 at 7:42 am
I saw the video, thank you for putting it there. Nothing suprising. There is no cause of death known, there are no eyewitnesses, there is no way they can tie Casey to the burrying of the remains and the forensic evidence, the 17 hairs, had no sign of decomposure. It is all witch hunting. No proof whatsover. But still this will go on and on and on…
They (the prosecution) already threw in the electric chair, as a bone to a hungry wolf, and they have a long way to go. I wonder what they will have to come up with before the public is happy. Just my opinion as a foreigner who has no business in this thread.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 8:39 am
The Defamation lawsuit is not to exonerate ZFG as a suspect but merely to restore her good name. We know she was not identified as the “real” ZFG but she was considered a person of interest and was interviewed by police and cleared only when it was clear to LE that she played no role in abducting or kidnapping Caylee Anthony. When shown a picture of ZFG she said it was not the ZFG that she knew. So what. ZFG was identified and questioned and released and for her honest efforts to set the record and the investigation straight she paid the price with the loss of her job and her standing in the community. We know that Casey’s intention for naming her as the person who abducted her child was to deflect blame and potential punishment. Casey Anthony was the only one who knew that the name would suffice for both the abduction and the murder.
The inference or the implication that Zanny was not only a child abductor but a murderer cannot be overlooked by Morgan if he is to clear her name. If, in the process of clearing his clients’ name, the real killer is identified than Morgan has done a good job.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 9:16 am
Here is a direct quote from John Morgan:
“If we can prove that someone else killed Caylee Anthony, then it exonerates our client,” said Morgan.
Reference: http://www.wftv.com/news/18812752/detail.html
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 9:41 am
Thank you Dave!I read that article and I noticed that Lee kept saying that he “believed everything my sister tells me” and in the next breath he says he never saw or heard about a ZFG prior to June 15. This isn;t the topic of our conversation today but it is good to look back and hear inconsistent statements but ones that have some element truth to them.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 10:08 am
BTW Dave, did you pick up on Padilla’s admission that he had a “JD just like you” when he was on the NancyGrace show the other evening? I thought I saw a raised eyebrow from Nancy. The conversation about “going to the poisonous tree” was very skilled and insightful.
Padilla has a lot of good things to say and, more often than not, he doesn’t get to finish his sentence. I like him and I find him very credible most of the time. I remember way back when LaLama and JVM really tore into him and made him look like a fool. He’s down for the count and he’s not the kind of person who takes that kind of treatment laying down. LaLama and JVM do not sub for Nancy anymore. He smiles all the way to the bank.
lulu // April 25, 2009 at 10:37 am
I like Leonard. I think he has the most interesting comments. I wish I could tune in and get an hour of Leonard instead of NG.
Dave, Casey has the magic wand that will make the defamation case moot. She has never cleared this Zenaida Gonzalez. So long as she doesn’t Morgan has free rein.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 11:04 am
lulu-Nancy works her show 4 nights a week and I would like to see Leonard take over once and a while. What a hoot that would be!
stoppage // April 25, 2009 at 11:28 am
Y’all better watch it! Dave has said time and time again that he is not pro-Anthony nor anti-Anthony…but he has made it clear that Morgan, in his opinion, is a very bad boy. So if you want a war with Dave over ZFG, keep it up!
Yes, I think Leonard in all his grandeur is very entertaining. It’s like you know to take him for a grain of salt, but NG is so serious and full of herself. She does that to appear no-nonsense and ferocious, but I prefer Leonard’s toothpick and crack of a smile, relaxed gaze, and finger pointing.
I guess it can be dangerous, though,
to put opinions as fact.
To have some fun in a post in dire, sad situation, breaks up the stalemate and the violent, angry comments. To me, it’s comic relief. A comment about selling or buying a poster of Baez, or his having his own show is so absurd, but harmless. He may be a good, calm lawyer at times, but he has no photogenic charisma and his speech is monotone.
What is harmful are the comments of death with verbage with asterisks against the Anthonys or anyone else.
I’m also not making fun of Caylee herself or the Anthony’s agony. I believe it true that if the car was not in Cindy and George’s name and address, it may still be in the pound and Caylee’s death would have gone unnoticed for some time. Casey would have come up with something about Caylee by the time she married Tony, which seemed to be her next conquest. There are oddities about this family, I suppose every family has them, and these make them interesting.
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 11:48 am
I watched Leonard on ustream a couple of times. He was on for an hour each time answering questions. I like Leonard but sometimes he can come out with some far fetched things just to peak our curosity. He sure does not like Cindy tactics.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 12:17 pm
I don’t quite understand, at least not fully, why Lee, George and Cindy believe everything Casey says, but I do see why they might do it; because that’s all they have left. I don’t agree, like most everyone else, but I do understand as parents and a brother, they want so desperately to believe her.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I like Leonard, too, but I think he’s worn out part of his welcome. Some of his ideas, like implicating Kronk in a weird daisy chain theory, are really off the wall to me.
I knew LP had a JD and it was discussed here a while back. Actually, I have a link to his website on the sidebar and he lists his credentials.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Not many people do.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Lulu – Actually, back when Casey was being interviewed by LE, she was shown a picture of Zenaida Gonzalez, the one who is now suing, and Casey told police that it was not her. Nope, not the right Zenaida at all. What Morgan is doing is basing this on Casey’s deposition, where she refused to answer questions that would incriminate her in the criminal trial, so he’s pressing it by stating she hasn’t exonerated his client of wrongdoing. Technically, she has. Morgan has every right to ask any question he wants. He could ask George when was the last time he went number 2. Should George have to answer that question, too? You see, some of the questioning does border on absurd, but he can ask them just the same. The judge will ultimately decide.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 12:26 pm
No, detwill39, Padilla lost his fondness for all things Anthony a long time ago, although I haven’t heard him say much of anything about Lee. Maybe George.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Dave-If you go back to this weeks NG shows you will see that Nancy Grace may not have known that.
I am not surprised he has a law degree but it sure does make the Daisey Chain stuff sounds more than incredible coming from a lawyer. I went to his website and did not see his credentials mentioned. Thank you for the info-very, very interesting.
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Leonard has alot of respect for Lee. Morgan is actually going after Cindy for getting in front of the media re Zenaida. Cindy, believing Casey’s line of bull, went on the media and said that Casey was not shown a picture. The last part of Morgan’s dep with Cindy is very interesting, if you listen closely.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Actually, stoppage, I know John Morgan. I know more about him than I care to discuss for several reasons. One is that it’s not my place and another one is that it doesn’t pertain directly to this case. I will say that plenty of minds, legal and otherwise, think the lawsuit is frivolous and has no merit. So, it’s not coming to any of the Anthonys’ defense, it’s just not supporting Morgan’s cause.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 12:54 pm
On his Web site, he lists his credentials:
Law Degree, Lincoln Law School, 1980
President and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Lorenzo Patino Law School 1982-present.
His law degree is the key.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Yeah, detwill39, but he’s going after George, too, right?
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Sure, Morgan went after both George and Cindy. It looks like Morgan wants his hand in helping to solve a murder trial and using the Zenaida defamation suit as a ploy to do it. I think that things would have gone alot smoother if George and Cindy had not been so combative.
This really hurt them and Brad should have had them more prepared. I can understand why Mark NeJame pulled out. Brad may be just a little too passive. It all comes down to Cindy ruling the roost and maybe she is unaware of the destruction she is doing.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Dave-When I read that I noticed that he was on the board of directors/govenors but I didn’t think he was a graduate of the school. The one Padilla I did see was J. Leonard Padilla. Oh well -good to know.
Eurglarsh (?) cannot stand him. They have had a cat fight or two. Mike Brooks has also gotten the perverbial dope slap from Eurglarsh and I think it meanspirited and uncalled for.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Sure, Morgan wants to solve the crime, but it’s already solved, right? He wants to grab headlines wherever and whenever he can. This is his media blitz. Conway should have made sure that both Anthonys were well aware of Morgan’s motive and what his tactics were going to be after witnessing Lee’s deposition and the line of questioning. No doubt, the Anthonys are not very bright and they don’t listen well, but I still think Casey did this to herself. Every time George and Cindy open their mouths, they hurt Casey. The Anthony haters should realize this, too, but they don’t. They should rejoice every time the Anthonys speak because of the harm it does. I think the Anthonys and their most potent detractors are too one sided and they don’t see anything outside of their little boxes. They certainly don’t see the whole picture.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 1:34 pm
He got his degree somewhere at a school in Sacramento, I think. Years ago, it wasn’t accredited, but it was by the time he graduated. Now, having a degree doesn’t mean he passed the California Bar exam. I don’t know anything about that, so can he practice law? I don’t have a clue. Bounty hunting has been very, very good to him.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Stoppage -Tell me, is your comment that this post today is “comic relief” a fact or an opinion?
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Dave/Boston~~ what does JD stand for? Dave, did I hear that you have a JD? Maybe yours mean Just Dave.
I should have more info at my fingertips like Maura. She kept all her info in a Wordpad and kept updating it. I just read the docs and then try to remember them….I run into problems when my memory gets constipated.
BTW, I have a degree in BS.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 2:44 pm
JD = Juris Doctorate. It means a law degree.
I have a BS degree, too, for Bald Scalp.
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Mine is ….Bull Chit….really spelled with an S
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 4:18 pm
BC works fine. C = Crap.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 5:09 pm
MM for me. What would that be in Latin?
Monster Mash? Mucky Muck?
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Boston~~you do have sense of the ho ho…..LOL
michellefrommadison // April 25, 2009 at 5:54 pm
This Anthony case will give a resurgence to the mental heath agencies if Casey walks on the first degree murder charge as predicted by many highly informed, highly educated, and licensed people. The probability appears to be growing nearly weekly as the case of the prosecutors continues to crumble. Anxious to see how the defense will intertwine those eight officers fired, suspended, or re-assigned because of their sexual relations with the defendant after the defendant was taken into custody; documented, acknowledged, and proven by the departments involved. To have so many officers identified by the prosecution to have already compromised the case, it will be interesting to see how the lawsuits begin to accumulate and are later lost due to documented incompetence and un-professionalism on the side of the prosecution. Many people were saying that Mary Winkler would never see the “light of day” or get released after she shot and killed her sleeping preacher/husband, but she’s been out for awhile already, and with full-custody of her kids too. Never say never, especially when there is no direct-evidence.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 7:26 pm
DetWill-I was just listening to CNN and the Swine Flu is getting a lot of air time. None in Nova Scotia thank the good Lord. Margaret is graduating on Mother’s Day weekend! She did 4 years of biology and her lab mates must be all over this one. You’re safe (for now).
They say that people live longer with a sense of ho ho ho!
Ray // April 25, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Aloha, Dave
I’m an avid football fan. Do you like football?
I’m watching the NFL draft, and wondering if you are too. Nice break from Casey Anthony.
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Boston~~are you serious about the swine flu? I thought at first that a oinker got let loose and came in here. I posted a couple links to Nova Scotia at Open Space. You must be so proud of Margaret.
Aloha Ray
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 7:43 pm
I just noticed that Dave thinks I am full of Bull Crap. Now I am deeply hurt so will have to take to my bed and pretend I have the Swine flu.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Hello, Ray. Great to hear from you. I just got home from a bit of socializing, so no, I haven’t had a chance to watch any of it yes. And YES! I am a big NFL fan. I might just go put it on. I had forgotten about it with all my wild partying. Not!
Definitely, it is a nice break. Marinaders. I like it.
Boston // April 25, 2009 at 7:59 pm
DetWill-Yes, she is my pride and joy. Turned 23 on April 20.
Yes, the Swine Flu is not a pandemic yet but it is spreading. It originated in Mexico about two weeks ago. Everyone who has been diagnosed has mild symptoms and apparently recovering. My sister is a NP/ND (adult) in Boston and read the CDC updates to me.
If you want to read a fascinating book on the flu (aka plague) read The Great Influenza of 1918. You will initially be turned off with all the biology but don’ get discouraged, it gets better and better. I read this book at the dinner table and was asked to leave. No word of a lie! I could not put it down. We have not had a pandemic in 100 years that was as bad as 1918 but it could be coming. Yikes.
I wash my hands all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lulu // April 25, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Michellefrommadison-Who exactly are these well educated people and in what are they licensed?
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Boston~~
I am glad you told me as I haven’t heard it mentioned on our local news. I have always been interested in biology , in fact, just sciences in general. I think that I will pass on the plague …sounds yukky and will give me nightmares…LOL
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Sorry, Lulu, you were caught in spam and I was watching TV for a while. I’ve wondered who those well educated people are, too.
SONINHEAVEN // April 25, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Maybe a figment of MFM imagination. She seems to have a very vivid one……..JMO
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 9:43 pm
I wonder??? I mean, every expert I’ve heard has said the complete opposite. The closest to it are from defense attorneys critiquing the case as commentators on news channels, where they try to explain possible avenues of defense. I notice that her comments are always vague and void of anything substantial, such as names of these experts. How come we haven’t heard about all these cops getting kicked off the force for having sexual contact with Ms. Anthony? Heck, we never heard of her before July and then she got arrested. When she was released, she was under constant supervision. What, are they running a bordello at the jail or something?
michellefrommadison // April 25, 2009 at 9:43 pm
There is a difference SONINHEAVEN to your imagination and the actual facts of the Anthony case. Facts cannot be substituted for your unfounded-imagination and speculations if you attempt to apply the concepts of both Psychology and Law to this case that appears to be a certain victory coming to the defense.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Unfounded imagination? Certain victory? Aren’t you speculating, as well? You insinuate that the entire state of Florida’s legal system is unfounded. I’d like you to explain to me why you are right and the state of Florida knows absolutely nothing about psychology and law. Certainly, you have facts to persuade me. I mean facts, not insults. Just who are these experts? Name one besides yourself. One. That should be extremely easy because you know thousands of them.
michellefrommadison // April 25, 2009 at 9:59 pm
No, I am not speculating as you claim. I am, however, simply reiterating what experts following this case have said. I sense a bit of apprehension and fear on your part Dave of the actual facts of this case that may ultimately find that Casey may not be found guilty of first-degree murder as charged. Don’t allow the actual facts and you lack of knowledge on this case continue to hinder you so much Dave.
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 10:12 pm
michelle~~you may not make much sense but I will give you credit for being consistent in the non-sense department. I truly enjoy your comments. They make me realize just how smart I am.
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Michelle – I have always given you a chance to speak. I’ll even go so far as saying I like you, but you question my facts, facts that are backed up by the state of Florida. Obviously, you question the entire judicial system in this state, where you do not reside. The defense has not shown its hand, yet you know more than the entire state and you have no idea who Jose Baez is, let alone what his strategy is. All I have asked you to do is to substantiate something. Anything. You could come here and tell me that I am clueless and experts say the world is flat and the moon is made of cheese. Tell me all you want, but you have offered nothing. No facts, no names, no information of any kind except for your blanket statements that mean nothing. Zero. Zilch. Please, give me a name of one of your experts. Give me the names of all of those fired oversexed and crazy cops or stop wasting our time with hot air that holds no temperature. It gets stale after a while.
michellefrommadison // April 25, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I may not make sense to uneducated and unqualified people, but not to well-educated and to other professionals. It is not my job to help to educate people that are just too lazy to research and find the verifying information that other well-educated people with degrees and licenses have no problem doing so. Might be time to put the cheese-puffs aside Dave, and to start to do an adequate research project so you can help to minimize your current status of denial of the facts of the Anthony case. Good luck to you.
SONINHEAVEN // April 25, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Like I said a figment of her imagination…….she has no facts…she has no names/experts…..she has nothing but time and boredom on her hands. One thing I can say is she is like the energizer bunny…never know when she will pop up and never know what direction she is heading in….oh well maybe I am not so dumb afterall…..
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 10:32 pm
You know who makes sense to me, Michelle? Those “well-educated people with degrees and licenses” you mention. The ones who have done “adequate research.” They work for the state of Florida. All I asked for was one stinking name. You talk like a woman with a paper rear end hole. Yes, I am educated and qualified to say that.
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 10:37 pm
OMG Now I am hysterical….I have heard tell of paper roses, paper plates , paper moons but never once have I heard tell of a paper bum hole….composure needed detwill….
SONINHEAVEN // April 25, 2009 at 10:37 pm
She talks like a person that has a chip on her shoulder the size of Texas. It is obvious that this woman is so full of angry and hate that it totally consumes every waking moment of her life. Anyone that has to toot their own horn is lacking in the self-esteem department….She talks to hear herself rattle…
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Bad Boy~~you son of a gun….you changed it…
lulu // April 25, 2009 at 10:52 pm
What is this Michelle going on about?
michellefrommadison // April 25, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Denial of the facts and the continued lack of knowledge of those facts that other well-educated and licensed people understand is exactly the conduct of the denials and disapprovals by those uneducated to the real facts often do. Thanks for proving my points on this, and, you are welcome. I just have a better sense of competency staying on the side of proven facts, rather than to join those others still confused and too lazy to do their own research projects that other better-educated people often do on their own. But, that is why there are amateurs and why there are professionals in our society.
lulu // April 25, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Michelle, what sort of professional are you?
Marinade Dave // April 25, 2009 at 10:58 pm
I think someone forgot her medications today. Hint. Hint. Wink. Wink.
michellefrommadison // April 25, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Maybe you did Dave, but is that really relaxant if you took your meds or not?
lulu // April 25, 2009 at 11:05 pm
What does that sentence mean?
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 11:05 pm
michelle~~are you going thru menopause? Lot of words but hardly any periods…
detwill39 // April 25, 2009 at 11:08 pm
michelle~~can I offer you an iced tea or warm milk? If you prefer the milk, I will go out to the barn and pull on the goats tail.
Beatrice // April 26, 2009 at 1:44 am
Michelle, I really have to give you credit, at least you get
response.
Sheron // April 26, 2009 at 4:38 am
Hey Ray! I went an NFL draft party today! Texans got Cushings…hope that works out?!
And why is MFM still allowed to spew her studipity here? I am all for freedom of speech, but I love this blog and I hate reading stupid stuff. Most comments are so insightful and heartfelt. Then there is MFM. Turns me off.
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 7:43 am
Sheron – I’ve had enough of Michelle, so there will be no more comments from her until she starts making sense. Needless to say, I am not holding my breath. Let’s just say she educated me.
Boston // April 26, 2009 at 9:32 am
If ideas are food for thought, that person is starving.
Hilde // April 26, 2009 at 12:53 pm
oh michellefrommadision,You are just too funny!
I guess Every One has a Right to her/his Opinion,
even You!
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Yes indeed, Boston. Would that be mentally bulimic or psychotic anorexia?
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Hilde – If you read my comments, I told Michelle I won’t let her comments through again until she says something substantial. There were 3 comments sitting in spam and I deleted them. Who wants to be called stupid by the likes of her?
Ray // April 26, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Aloha, Sheron.
Yes, you guys got Cushings.
Im not so sure about my guys. Being from upstate N.Y. Im a buffalo bills fan. Not that sure about their number one pick with Aaron Maybin. We shall see.
Dave you might consider starting a Marinaders NFL Blog so we dont bore on- NFLers.
Also, I agree about the Michelle decision.
This is a healthy blog. Good people, good comments, good controversy.
Hilde // April 26, 2009 at 2:58 pm
exactly Dave !
I just ignore MFM for the most Part.
She seems to like the Attention she is getting with her rude Remarks.
I guess some People take all the Attention they can get even if it is negative.
detwill39 // April 26, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Dave~~being called stupid by MFM means zilch.
When I call you stupid, now that is a horsie of a different color.
I typed out a nice long winded comment and when I went to copy, in the event I lost it, it flew the coop. Here is a bit of it…
(1) LE showed Casey a picture of Zenaida Gonzales and Casey said that the pic was not the same ZG. (2)During a jailhouse visit, Casey told her mother that she was never shown a pic of ZG. (3)Cindy, then went out and broadcasted to the media that Casey was not shown a picture.
If you listen to the deposition, towards the end, Morgan gets Cindy to say ‘yes’ when asked if she went on the media and said, “Casey was never shown a picture of Zenaida Gonzales.” Morgan was looking for that answer and got it. Cindy may be the next in line to get sued by ZG.
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Hi, Ray – You need to know I am a Jets fan through and through, coming from NJ. Most of my friends from up there are Giants fans and I like them, too, but not as much as the Jets, ever since Joe Namath.
As far as Michelle, I had to make a decision. All she ever said was that we were all stupid and when I asked her for one little scrap of information, she made very stupid excuses. I’ll let her say her peace if her comment has one piece of something that makes sense.
The Marinaders… Nice! I’ll have to think about that one.
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 3:37 pm
You know, Hilde, I kind of got a kick out of her for awhile, but she never said anything worth reading. On top of it, she’s been aggravating the base core of readers and commenters and I’m not about to let that happen. I’ve gotten myself in enough hot water and I don’t need any help from her.
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 3:41 pm
You might be right about another ZG lawsuit, detwill39. Morgan will do whatever it takes to weasel his way to the top of this case. I wonder though, since both George and Cindy stated that this ZG is not the nanny, that might preempt him from suing either one of them. Something tells me he already would have by now, but it could be that it would be a bad publicity stunt at this time.
detwill39 // April 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Dave~~You’ve gotten yourself in enough hot water. So you didn’t enjoy our hot tub last evening? I think I will go and send an email to Lenny Padilla. There are more fish in the sea than you Mr Marinade. Shhhhhh…..
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm
You go ahead, detwill39, but remember one thing… I know Lennie personally. At least, I know he would remember me from the times we met and spoke.
detwill39 // April 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Dave~~I watched Lenny on ustream and it was really interesting. Rob was with him one night asking the questions. He came across a bit different than how he appears on NG. I think when he appears on NG, he likes to throw things out to peak our interest…eg: he heard thru his sources that they found prints on the duct tape. Then again, he may be right, Maura did mention partial prints on some pieces of tape.
I hope we get a doc dump again soon. I need something to give the old noggin a work out. I tend to get in trouble when I am not occupied analyzing this case.
detwill39 // April 26, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Dave~~you are truly amazing! I can mention something on this blog and you answer me in another one. I know how you see our comments when they come thru you….
I will ask Lenny P all about you and get some solid answers. Like, “How long has Dave been with OCSD? Did you guys go to law school together? Can you kiss a girl and not take that toothpick out? Just a few little ones…they don’t call me a sleuth for nothin’ …
Hilde // April 26, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Dave, I didn’t mean MFM is funny in that Way. I guess I meant it in a bit of sarcastic Way, hm Shame on me. I guess I can’t be nice all the time.
Honestly she just got on my Nerve with her Non sense. I am glad You have had enough with those rude Comments of her.
Hilde // April 26, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Back to one of the Subjects in Your Post.
I don’t understand why John Morgan is having the Depositions now. It seems to me it should be done
after Casey’s Trial.
There are too many Questions he is asking which pertain to the Trial and should wait to be answered
at the Trial but that is just my Opinion.
Also about all the Witnesses the State has, I would guess not all of them will be called to testify, they just have them on their List just in Case they need them, is that right?
laura // April 26, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Hey guys, just reading through all the excitement you had this weekend. WOW mfm drives everyone nuts lol. I don’t think anybody on this blog hates the A’s, I don’t I hate their actions. Like on the Early show Cindy said Casey wouldn’t hurt anybody, if we go with the story the nanny did it (that’s the one they want us to believe) how can they say it didn’t hurt Caylee no reporting her missing for 31 days. Now I believe Caylee was dead those 31 days but if I believed their story wouldn’t that hurt Caylee by not reporting her missing??? And if the nanny really did do it, why aren’t they searching and why is their daughter in jail. If I knew and believed my daughter was innocent I would be telling all I knew to get her out. Why did Cindy say to reporters back when Casey was out on bond that they had not received death threats? Isn’t that why she didn’t go to police? The police was involved and nobody harmed them shouldn’t that have been a red flag? Dave this is just a few of my questions I am so confused by what to make of them so I took a small break so if you could help me that would be great.
stoppage // April 26, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Good Questions, Laura.
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Sure, detwill39, you go ahead and ask Lenny all about me. He’ll say, oh you mean that bald headed so and so? I wouldn’t ask him about kissing with that toothpick. He’s liable to tell you about something else.
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 6:57 pm
No, I knew what you meant, Hilde. She got on everyone’s nerves, I think.
Boston // April 26, 2009 at 6:58 pm
laura-I don’t think they bothered to look for the child simply because they got more mileage out of blaming others. So far they have implicated Jesse, Amy H., the regal, beautiful Nanny. Apparently if you’re just cute you don;t belong on this list.
I think when Casey talks about “death threats” she is really talking about what’s threatening her. After all, people are threatening her with death.
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Hi, Laura. I think we are all confused by the Anthonys and that’s why so many people hate them. They keep changing their stories and they sometimes seem to go against not only rational thought, but evidence found by law enforcement. I can understand why they are not going after the nanny because that is the job of law enforcement and no sane PI is going to go looking for an imaginary person. The Anthonys realize that Casey is behind bars. They don’t really come out and claim she’s 100% innocent. They say they have to believe she’s innocent because everyone is until proven guilty. The whole thing comes down to semantics and they are in a very delicate spot. The public screams for them to condemn their daughter without giving any real thought to how they would react under the same conditions. Sure, the Anthonys are lousy at public relations, but listen to the schmucks who spew hatred on blogs. They’re worse or just as bad because they don’t know much more about the Anthonys than the Anthonys know about Casey.
Kari // April 26, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Now, if Michelle were right, and Casey would slip out from the prosecution’s grasp somehow for lack of any eye-witnesses—I think it would go down like OJ, only a lot quicker. She would walk away on the murder charge, but she’d turn around and be back in court pretty quickly on the check fraud charges, and the judge and jury would slam her with the heaviest possible sentence for that…
Besides, even if no one can ever prove murder, there are still the child neglect and child endangerment charges stemming from her failure to report Caylee missing–that’s incontrovertible. Moreover, there are charges for obstructing an investigation by giving false statements to police, and that’s a given. So, there’s no way Casey’s walking free. She’ll be locked up for quite a while, and I think that’s for the best.
laura // April 26, 2009 at 7:08 pm
but not on July 15th, well her mom might have been. She should have beat the truth out of her, I am convinced my mom would have!
laura // April 26, 2009 at 7:17 pm
I am glad you cleared that up. In my state it’s three and out so if Casey walks on murder charges could she still get life for all the other felonies????
Boston // April 26, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Casey did what Scot Peterson did. Both were the last people to see their victims alive. This places them as potential persons of interest. When Casey was brought up on the charge of Child Neglect the bond for such an offense does not normally exceed 10K-20K.
The 500K was because they needed to keep her locked up as a result of decomp in the car. They knew she neglected the child and the possibility that the child was dead was ever present in all investigators minds as well as the presiding judge.
There was a psychological profile done and they had a pretty good idea about who they were dealing with.
It has already been proven that the child was murdered. Dr G reported that her autopsy result indicated that the manner of death was a homicide.
Casey talked therefore she does not “walk”. Her words will be what sinks her. She will be forever immursed in the metaphorical swamp of her own lies.
laura // April 26, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Nice how you put that. I suppose it makes me feel better. I understand what Dave says and I think I get how he feels and actually this case is really not my business but my feelings about this is strong if Casey was to get out she is going to NEED another child to get back in good graces with her parents. jmo And she is young enough to pull that one off I really don’t think she should ever have another child. No child should ever be a victim, I know it’s crazy to worry about the what if but have you thought about that??????
Marinade Dave // April 26, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Also, bear in mind that Florida has sentencing guidelines and the judge can go outside of those areas under extreme conditions.
laura // April 26, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Thanks sweetie that makes me feel better!
Boston // April 26, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I don’t usually think too far in the future about what could happen when facts should be the guiding light in this case. What is more important I think, is to take a look back and assess the future from that perspective.
Are there child killers out there who have killed and acquitted of all charges? More than likely but if the history of sociopathic behavior was present so too is the desire to kill again.
Sociopaths never lose the ability to seduce everyone they come in contact with or anyone who can meet their needs. That is why it is so important to lock up sociopaths whether they rob employees (Enron, etc) or kill the neighbors.
It is highly unlikely that Casey will be starting a family with anyone now or in the future.
detwill39 // April 26, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Boston~~I totally agree that once you kill and show no emotion for the act, you can kill again.
Let’s hope all the rumors that our friend was spreading are untrue, otherwise, Casey may be smuggling a pumpkin right now. Surely they do not issue birth control pills in the jail dispensary.
Boston // April 26, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Do you mean that weird guy Derek? What a wing nut.
detwill39 // April 26, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Boston~~I only went to the weird guy’s blog once and never returned. I meant our visitor last nite who claims a dozen or so police officers or guards have been dismissed because of hanky panky with Casey. For anyone who may read this, it is an outright lie….I dont want to be instrumental in starting rumors and it so easy for someone to come in here , read and then take off with info for their rumor arsenal.
laura // April 26, 2009 at 9:46 pm
what Casey had sex with the police? lol just kidding detwill………
detwill39 // April 26, 2009 at 10:06 pm
laura~~oh please no !
To whom it may concern…Casey did not, I repeat to my knowledge did not, I accentuate did not, I implore everyone, she did not …uh uh…no way…negative… zilch….have any hanky panky with anyone.
laura // April 26, 2009 at 10:08 pm
that’s not what the photos show oh you mean in the police department my bad……
laura // April 26, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Detwill just kidding I don’t think any of us would be confused by that uneducated, misinformed person! I seen that comment before and I believe I asked Dave about it I would assume that would be big news in this case.
Ray // April 26, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Aloha Dave the Jets Fan
Well you guys got Sanchez. Hope he does well except when playing Buffalo.
I hope we continue to be friends after this up coming season. I have Direct TV just so I can watch all the games.
He Knows my Heart // April 26, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Boston, just curious about your thoughts on the Homolka case in Canada, some years back. After killing her sister and watching/ waiting/ possibly assisting while her husband killed women in their own bed and home, she got out of prison, got into a relationship and is now raising a baby.
Admittedly these are VERY different cases, but is Homolka a sociopath? Just curious on your thoughts. I don’t know Homolka’s mental diagnosis and frankly I barely had enough time to write this, but I’d love to hear some thoughts on this.
H.H.
grace // April 27, 2009 at 1:45 am
michelle must be cindy please casey killed caylee everyone knows .and she will get life or death not sure which one dont care she wont make it either way
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 10:21 am
He Knows My Heart-Yes, I know the Homolka case.
I do believe that she is a sociopath. I believe the Canadian authorities believe it as well but in that case it was more important that she lead them to her husband. There were so many unsolved murders in that area over the years and around that university town, if I recall, that in the process of identifying Bernardo, they needed her lies as well as the truth to lock him up for life. She couldn’t get away from her association so she pleaded abuse-she only went along because she feared for her life,was beaten and abused. She was a skilled actress and it would appear that she honed her skills early on in life. She conned lawyers, judges, her family but not her husband. He was her soulmate. Two peas in a pod.
I do not know her diagnosis but I think she fits the mold of a sociopath. There were enormous mistakes made during that investigation but I do not fault the police entirely.
What I do regret is the fact that many good people were taken down by Homolka-that’s what happens when sociopaths run the show or you need them in your “show”. They have an uncanny ability to get what they want and if others are in the way, then by the gods they will be removed. Many lost their jobs and she walked in 12 years. Her darling sister received no justice in my mind.
In having this child I think she is trying to rehabilitate her own persona. It is not because she loves children. She loves herself. She has no anonimity anymore and that may be her saving grace.
Is she considered a sexual predator in Canada and placed on a list and required to stay away from children and schools, etc.?
stoppage // April 27, 2009 at 10:22 am
I thought I heard that Cindy may be writing a book.
I hope she does write one or even several books. Perhaps we will then be able to understand her better. Who would write the Forward?
On the shelf, next to hers, I hope, will be books written by Rick Plesea. They could be companion reads.
Perhaps these could be the names of some of her books, or titles of chapters:
When a Grandchild Dies
The Casey I Never Knew
What Really Happened on July 15, After a Visit with Grandpa
George Mortison Anthony, the Man
Why LE Lied
The Many Finds of PI Dominic Casey
Nursing is Fun
Why I Chose Conway over Nejame
The Decomposition Stages of Pizza
My Phone Call to Oprah
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 10:40 am
DetWill-ssensu oregnad.Weather here in Boston is just beautiful. I am going out to plant some Heather and walk my silly dog Daisy.
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 10:42 am
Stoppage-That’s cruel.
stoppage // April 27, 2009 at 11:01 am
If Cindy writes this book(s), why would it be cruel?
She would be able to explain her grief. She would be able to give her complete side of the story about Father’s Day…apart from what Jesse or others have said about the argument.
Surely, she believes that LE has a personal vendetta against Casey, and she would be able to explain that more thoroughly…just as Dave and others have had his run-ins with bad or unfair policemen.
There is much that Cindy would be able to share that she can’t right now. She is not a dimwit. She is an intelligent woman who is basing her reactions on things she knows … that we don’t know. If or when we know, we will understand her better.
detwill39 // April 27, 2009 at 11:39 am
Stoppage~~’The Decompostion Stages of Pizza’ IMO, that is going just a little too far and I agree with Boston, that is cruel and uncalled for.
Boston~~I am not sure what ’ssenu oregnad’ means in your comments. LOL Ahhh Heather is so fragrant…enjoy your day my friend.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 11:52 am
I think it’s funny, but I have a sick sense of humor.
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 11:54 am
If you had more of a grasp on your own feelings and attitudes towards death and dying I would respond to you.
What I would suggest though is for you to actually read a book on the subject.
Kent Whitaker wrote about the death of his family. This is one father’s jouney to forgiveness that is worth reading. Is it the final word on forgiveness? Certainly not. What it is, in my opinion, is a look at a family dynamic and how death brought about a father’s need to forgive his son so that he could regain his own life. Cindy and George have a long way to go before they recognize who they are and what they have become.
Death has been described as “the theif in the night”.Don’t dishonor Caylee by making a mockery out of her grandmother.
detwill39 // April 27, 2009 at 11:55 am
To each his own….
detwill39 // April 27, 2009 at 11:57 am
My comment ‘To each his own’ was addressed to Dave…
Hi Boston…
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 11:59 am
DetWill-In a “backwards sort of a way” I try to say things that intuitively I feel, but am too shy to come out and say them “out loud”. I know you will understand.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 11:59 am
I don’t think it’s funny in a classical sense. I understand the irony in it, that’s all.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Yes, Ray, I am also a Yankees and Mets fan. Something tells me there’s a Red Sox fan in here somewhere, not to mention the Patriots.
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 12:09 pm
That would be me!
stoppage // April 27, 2009 at 12:19 pm
O-Oh, Oh-kay…
So…I can mow my lawn, rake up the last of winter, come in to my computer and dissect, critique, judge, point out inconsistencies and discrepancies, analyze, categorize, label, call into question, and otherwise butcher Cindy’s character by suggesting she’s a liar about Oprah or other things, or an overbearing, manipulative wife and mother, and taints or hides evidence, amongst other things…..all in a serious, conversational, professional, gossping armchair- sleuth (who really don’t know nothin’) tone…. but I can’t say the same sorta thing in a half-serious, half-mocking tone?
I mean…she’s a nurse, for cryin’ out loud…she’s gotta know more about rotting pizza than I do!!
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 12:36 pm
DetWill-M. no longer has a phone in her room so we will be corresponding with her via email. She was not too upset about the SF as the university is keeping all students aware of the situation through email updates. All students have Acadia computers and this makes communicating so easy.
The DOS has issued travel guidlines and I sure hope that we have no problems leaving the US for NS! (only kidding)
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 12:40 pm
You can say it to me. I understand your point.
stoppage // April 27, 2009 at 12:46 pm
*sob* thanks…Dave…
laura // April 27, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Hi everyone. I hope everyone is having a good day! I was a Colts fan up til last week, now our taxes are going up to pay for a short fall on the new Lucas oil Stadium and these jerks won’t kick in 5 million. The Indiana Felons oops mean Pacers are willing to kick in 5 million for their Fieldhouse. lol
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Sure, stoppage. Always willing to hand a pretty woman a hankie.
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Since when do nurses learn about rotting pizza?
I had to laugh out loud on that one!
Do you think pizza would be one of America’s favorite foods if it had the potential to rot on the counter and grow maggots?
What about all those people who eat it out of the box the next morning for breakfast?
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 12:56 pm
That’s the nature of sports, Laura. Big business and the little guy pays.
Beatrice // April 27, 2009 at 12:59 pm
4/27 – 12:19 Well said here stoppage!
Lori // April 27, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Hey Dave – first things first. I’m an AVID Chicago Bears fan and this year in particular….Jay Cutler! I can’t wait to see what happens – best thing to happen to the Bears in a long, long time, IMO. Think we did pretty good in the draft too…:) I’ve also been digging the NBA playoffs – some great games!
I’m anxious to read the transcripts of Padilla’s people, particularly Tracey. I remember reading a while ago that she, in particular, asked for legal counsel before answering law enforcement questions. I understood from my reading that Casey and Tracey had some close conversations while she stayed there. Casey has such loose lips that it should be interesting to see the spin she gives Tracey.
I know this is such a hot topic but…..not judging the Anthony’s, they did seem more subdued and much less combative in the television interviews but…if you were the parent of Jesse or Amy H. and the Anthonys were throwing suspicion your child’s way, how would you feel? That is the one thing I just can’t get past. It’s one thing, IMO, to have conditional love for your own child and be in complete disbelief, denial..that they could do such a horrendous thing but to implicate others in this situation is just wrong. Sorry if this offends, but IMO, the implications were not genuine, I think they were just smoke, but very dangerous smoke, to shift attention away from Casey. I’ve not had the feel that they care too much who falls under the bus. As always, this is my opinion based on what I’ve read and what I’ve come away with from it…
Hope you are feeling okay today. Thanks for any responses. Lori
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Breaking News: CDC briefing on Swine Flu. During this briefing there was an additional breaking News story: Mexico City has just had an earthguake -5.5 on the Ricktor (sp?) scale. Not so bad but terrible when you consider what these poor people are dealing with at this time.
stoppage // April 27, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Boston,
I didn’t mean to be spiteful about the pizza business. I have the highest regard for pizza and I’m still trying to perfect a recipe…
Dave—Thanks for the hanky…and that’s “petty” not “pretty”
When my husband passed, I had 5 kids under 13. It was a shock, but it was death, a part of life. In my Christian understandings, I believe the spirit separates from the body and that there is much hope in a God who has provided a way of redemption so that those qualified can be with the Father after death.
This is really Open Forum fodder, but I bring it up to preface my story (sob) that in touring the funeral home parlor of possible caskets, the director (who was fully aware of my beliefs) showed me many colorful, fluffy, silken creations, and then he said, “Or, we can use this…” and he picked out a long cardboard box that was stashed behind some lovely mahogany. (laugh)
So, I’m a little off my rocker about death…I have a history.
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Stoppage-We all have a history when it comes to death and dying. Had your post intimated a sense of humor I missed it. I would not have been so misguided in my response.
I liked your story about your funeral experience. I had so much “experience” picking out coffins in 2003 and 2007 that when I went in to pick the last one out, I was, in a manner of speaking, well known to the place and the inventory.
I walked around and looked at everything and I said, “Do you have anything on sale”? I really was serious and the director came over and wrapped his arms around me. I really cried hard and it felt so good. I never knew just how sad I felt until I lightened up. What a support that man was.
I am sorry I upset you. Bless your heart ,you had an awful lot to contend with.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Hi, Lori – I wouldn’t worry about saying something offensive at all. It is true that the Anthonys tried to implicate the Grunds and that was totally wrong, but desperate people do desperate things and I think they feel backed into a corner. Who knows if things went flying behind closed doors between the Anthonys and the Grunds, things we haven’t heard? I’m not making any excuses for the Anthonys and what they said was petty. No, they’ll never win any popularity contests, but I don’t think any of us know all the details behind this case. My problem with some is when they state that the Anthonys should be thrown in jail. OK, fine, feel that way, but isn’t that the job law enforcement and the court system should handle? Until they are arrested for something, i tend to ignore everything they say because it’s without merit in many cases. And, every time they open their traps, it doesn’t help their daughter. For that reason alone, people should be begging them to talk more, just in case they slip.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 1:40 pm
I want to donate my body to science. That way, young students can get a laugh. Actually, I think a burial or cremation is a waste of money and they are merely rituals. There is nothing in the Bible, for instance, that says what must be done with the body after death. All it says is what was done in ancient times. I, for one, do not need oils and spices all around my dead body. Instead, if I can help solve a mystery and it helps future generations, I live on, not by name or spirit, but in promising someone else’s future. Hopefully, by the time I pass, my organs will be too old to harvest.
Beatrice // April 27, 2009 at 1:47 pm
“All Things Must Pass” Beware of Darkness
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Hi, Beatrice. All Things Must Pass was the first album George came out with after the Beatles split in 1969.
Science // April 27, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Hi David…
I come for the donation. No need to dress up…
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 2:15 pm
You’ll have to wait until I’m good and ready.
Ina // April 27, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Well I think she wants you alive?
detwill39 // April 27, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Stoppage~~I apologize if I came across harsh. The decomposing pizza made me think of Caylee. Guess I got off the wrong side of the bed…please forgive me!
Beatrice // April 27, 2009 at 2:26 pm
“Science” is quick
Dave you need to hide for awhile, not time yet! I was stuck on Hey Jude and
McArthurs Park. The split was a little disheartening
for me at that time. Will have to get out my showboxes
and go thru old cassettes, see if I have it. Can’t quite
understand all the words . Like the Title!
Beatrice // April 27, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I mean I like the title!
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 2:40 pm
I liked both Hey Jude and McArthur’s Park, but I know Hey Jude came out in ‘68 and Park in ‘67. Hey Jude stayed at number one for almost a year, I believe. I have both songs if you would like me to send them to you, Beatrice.
SONINHEAVEN // April 27, 2009 at 2:40 pm
detwill; Remembering our lesson on left-handed people, Ina said if you get out of the bed and put your left foot on the floor first you will have a bad day….ever since then I try to always put my right foot on the floor first…I know call me crazy……
Ina // April 27, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I just pasted and cut it, Linda lol, I sure hope you don’t fall over your legs in the morning because of me…
stoppage // April 27, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I sobbed only in jest…my feathers only ruffled…I prefer a little challenge…. although Michelle’s viewpoints are a bit too much out there to even comment on.
Beatrice // April 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Dave, I loved that period in time. A full bloom flower with four little buds. Had to keep personal feelings and acts in proper perspective so they could bloom. I will check thru my keepsakes. Also have some old 8 track reels around here somewhere. Thank you, how would you send, weren’t they mostly on cassettes. I have in the past been successful transferring some music from cassette to cd, but haven’t tried lately.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Michelle will not return until she can say something cohesive.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I have them on iTunes. I attach them to an e-mail. I got the ones you sent me to work when I imported them into iTunes. They just wouldn’t work from my desktop I found out.
Boston // April 27, 2009 at 3:46 pm
I’m glad to hear that Stoppage.
mfm is a typist.
Beatrice // April 27, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Ok, that sounds easy enough, when you have a chance.
Will probably have to import to Itunes also… If I still have
my skills. I am off topic here, if anymore on this subject I
will take to your B of D post. Thanks
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 4:14 pm
OK, Beatrice, I can do that.
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Okay, which one of you is Science? Stoppage I really did lol. Especially about the pizza one. Thanks. Now I have to go look up this Homolka thing.
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Crap, just remembered my brother is working near Mexico City.
laura // April 27, 2009 at 5:24 pm
lulu- I hope your brother is okay!!
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Thanks Laura. I have a call in to his cell and another to his wife.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 5:44 pm
I know who Science is and I’m not telling.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I’m glad I’m not in Mexico. I hope you hear from your family soon, Lulu.
laura // April 27, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Dave- we all know who science is…. It’s someone that wants your body. lmbo
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Well, I guess it wasn’t you, then.
laura // April 27, 2009 at 6:03 pm
I thought about it but science beat me…….
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Gee, Laura I never had you pegged to be the type of girl who’d want a dead body hangin’ around.
laura // April 27, 2009 at 6:23 pm
lol not a dead body know but science came for you today and I am pretty sure dead people can’t type, so you my dear are still a body that is a live and some what well?!?!!! If you are dead I don’t want anything around that smells like a dead squirrel….
Science // April 27, 2009 at 6:30 pm
I came several times , sigh. That body is promisssssed to me…
laura // April 27, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Science, I know and you have it in writing. Maybe you should just zip down to Florida and pick it up(the body), I didn’t mean Dave was a it…….
detwill39 // April 27, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Science~~stand in line. I want to make a stew out of the leftovers.
laura // April 27, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Dave- Detwill is going to eat you up be careful sweetie!!!
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 6:38 pm
I am still very much alive and kicking, thank you.
Science // April 27, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Alive and kicking sounds good to me! Well, not the kicking part. I wil do something about that.
Hey, I am Science. I can do anything!
laura // April 27, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Duct tape his legs…..
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Don’t worry, I feel safe when I’m with you, Laura.
Science // April 27, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Ahum, she just asked me to ductape your legs, David. Are you sure?
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 6:53 pm
No, she’s referring to the judge.
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Haven’t heard anything about my brother, which is good news.
Not everybody hates dead bodies. Juan Peron had Evita stuffed and she made appearances at many family and state functions. I hate to think she had a better social life after death than I have now. lol
Science // April 27, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Oh. Geez. I could swear she meant your legs. Who elses would be inspiring… A judges?
I guess I better go back to the lab then. See if I can fix me something else.
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Just got an e-mail. He’s fine but between this and the swine flu his project is over budget and not on schedule. Not a happy camper.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 7:30 pm
I don’t think so, Lulu. She had a better social death, not a better social life. Anything you do is going to be much better than that!
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Don’t count on it Dave . I spent an hour today watching the swans nesting on the little island in front of the house.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Well, Lulu, I’m glad your brother is safe, even if his project is over budget and not on schedule.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Well, Lulu, I don’t have swans to watch, so that’s one up on me. Besides, my highlight of the day was going to pick up a prescription and dropping mail in the mailbox. How’s that for excitement?
At 8, I am going to watch the new House on Fox. That’ll keep my eyes open and blinking for an hour. How gratifying!!!
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Love House. He’s just such a jerk, but so interesting.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Well, Lulu, watch House with me.
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Okay, you bring the popcorn.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Dang, I ran out of popcorn. What I’d like to know is how Wilson’s girlfriend (the ghost) died. I missed that somewhere down the line.
detwill39 // April 27, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Laura; Lori; Lulu….Dave, you have so many women, you just run down the alphabet. Popcorn and music will do it every time….Fickle man!!
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Well, House was drunk at a bar. He needed a ride home so he called Wilson.Wilson couldn’t go so his girlfriend did. She was taking some med that affected her immune system. They went on a bus, don’t ask me why and she got some fatal disease and died in 12 hours in Wilson’s arms. Or something like that. I didn’t like her anyway.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Who’s fickle? I love them all!
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Oh, thank you, Lulu, I’ve been wondering about her. I think she’s good at that role because she looks and acts like a b*tch and that means she’s a pretty decent actor. My mother likes and dislikes actors because of the roles they play. I keep telling her it’s just a part. She likes House, too, but you know in real life he doesn’t walk with a cane and he is very British. He’s very good at playing that role.
lulu // April 27, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I know. I first saw him in PG Wodehouse’s Jeeves and Wooster with Hugh Laurie.
Marinade Dave // April 27, 2009 at 10:20 pm
I like Hugh Laurie. I just saw him in a movie and I can’t remember which one it was. I guess I’m getting too tired.
Kari // April 28, 2009 at 10:25 am
Ummm, that was a joke about Evita being stuffed, wasn’t it?
I remember seeing in the weird news a picture of a man who requested to be stuffed so he could attend his own wake, propped up in a corner, with a mug o’ suds in his hand, I think.
But apparently that’s not such an unusual thing in some places, where was he from? Trinidad? Jamaica? I’ll have to look it up…
lulu // April 28, 2009 at 10:35 am
I think people take death too seriously. My dad always said he was going to die on a Monday because Tuesday was garbage day and all we would need was a Hefty leaf bag.
stoppage // April 28, 2009 at 10:50 am
Death is very serious, IMO. Accountability and all that.
But your dad, lulu, has a great sense of humor and a sensible answer of which many funeral homes would wish to keep silent. Cha-ching$
It’s the remains (sorry, George) that are taken too seriously. But that is our superstitious quagmire of the unknown. Look at what the Egyptians did with their remains! (sorry, George)
Yet, even the Bible makes reference to the Last Day (that durn accountability stuff, again) when bodies will be reunitied with the souls (no matter the state), and then new bodies will be given. Unfortunately, some people have construed this to mean we should hang onto and have such reverence for the body.
Kari // April 28, 2009 at 11:39 am
Lulu, you gave me a good laugh! And we really need to laugh at Death, because it helps to dispel the dread.
I finally found that little ‘odd news’ bit. The gentleman’s name was Angel Medina, from Puerto Rico, and I guess he wasn’t really stuffed, but just propped up at his funeral. No mug o’ suds, either, that’s part of an Irish joke, I think.
I know a good Irish pub joke.
Jimmie is at the bar, having a few, and finally he says, “Well, boys, I’ve got to be heading home, now, my wife doesn’t like me to stay out late and drink.”
They all say goodnight, and Jimmie gets up to leave, but he only takes a step before he falls flat on his face.
He says, “I’ve really gone and got myself plastered, tonight! What’ll I tell the wife?”
He gets back up, but falls again, before he can make it to the door. Next try he makes it to the door, but falls down the steps to the street.
Now, he decides just to crawl down the block to his house, and he’s thinking the whole time what he can say to his wife so she won’t be mad.
When he gets home, he knocks at the door, and starts in telling her how he got mugged and left in a ditch for dead–
But she says, “Jimmie, you’re a liar and a drunk! You’ve been down at the pub drinking all night!”
“Alright,” he says, “Alright, I was at the pub, but how did you know?”
“They called me, ” she says, “You forgot your wheelchair again!”
lulu // April 28, 2009 at 11:51 am
Good one Kari! You’re right stoppage, we take the body too seriously. I’m happy to hear new ones will be given. Do we get to pick them out?