Timeline:
June 16: George Anthony sees Casey taking daughter Caylee from their home. Hours later, Casey makes a series of phone calls to friends and family. Detectives believe something happened to Caylee on this day. Casey’s boyfriend tells investigators she was not in a panic, not searching for her daughter.
June 17: Casey borrows a shovel from the Anthonys’ next door neighbor.
June 18: A witness sees Casey backing her white Pontiac into the family garage.
July 15: Police are notified about a report of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony.
July 16: Caylee’s mother, Casey, is arrested after investigators said she’s told a battery of lies about her daughter’s whereabouts.
July 17: Detectives obtain Casey’s cell phone records. Casey claimed she talked to her daughter, but a police warrant said there were no incoming calls at the time Casey said she last heard from Caylee.
July 21: Investigators meet with the Anthonys and take several items from the home to use for DNA testing. Among the items taken are toothbrushes, a hair brush, a comb and a thermometer that Caylee used. Police also took hair strands from Casey at the jail.
July 25: During a jail visit, Casey tells her brother how to contact several people who could prove that the mystery baby sitter, Zenaida Gonzalez, exists.
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There is a difference between common sense and intelligence. Unfortunatately, the only one who thought Casey Anthony excelled in both areas was Casey Anthony. She probably still does.
“I’m not going around and around with you,” Lee Anthony told his sister. “You know, that is pretty pointless. I’m not going to put everyone else through the same stuff that you’ve been putting the police and everybody else for the last 24 hours and the stuff you’ve been putting mom through for the last four or five weeks. I’m done with that. So, you can tell me what’s going on.”
I want to take a moment to dissect some of the phone conversation Casey had with her brother, Lee, on July 26, 2008, at the Orange County jail.
LEE: So that will help me extremely, um, did you ever have, or did you ever call the baby sitter on your cell phone or ever receive a call from the baby sitter on your cell phone number?
CASEY: I most definitely did.
The conversation continued…
LEE: Did you speak with Caylee over the phone at any time?
CASEY: I did one time, yes, and that was actually the day that mom called the police.
LEE: Do you remember what time you spoke to her?
CASEY: Around noon, it was through a private call.
About searching for Caylee…
LEE: Would you have had her [Zenaida's] or anybody’s information, even Jeff that’s introduced you or Juliet that also or correct me is there anybody else that knew that you were searching for Caylee?
CASEY: Outside of them, no.
LEE: Ok, outside Zani, Jeff, and Juliet, nobody else knew correct?
CASEY: I hadn’t talked to anyone else about it, no.
Casey was clearly lying. Zani, Jeff and Juliet do not exist. If Lee knew then that Caylee was dead, why would he have asked her if she had talked to the babysitter and Caylee since her disappearance? Why would he ask her who all was helping her in the search? For a whole month, she never let the family know Caylee was missing. Was it to make it only appear like he knew nothing about it? What would he have gained by it? Immunity? From what? Why ask her anything pertaining to Zenaida Gonzalez?
They continued the conversation and later, he asked her a very good question about her lost Black Jack cell phone (what she called it) and how she had taken the SIM card out and placed it in her new phone. She explained that you can store numbers directly on the phone or the SIM card.
LEE: Case, if you had your Black Jack with you and you lost your Black Jack, but you still have your SIM card in your other phone, I’m trying just to figure out why you wouldn’t lose both, you know what I mean?
Her response was vague and she changed the subject. The fact that he even asked the question tells me he just didn’t know anything about Caylee at that time. That was a very inquisitive question. She replaced her cell phone with a new one after she lost the old one. Why wouldn’t she have lost the SIM card at the same time? What would be the motive to remove it? Clearly, she hadn’t thought things through and her brother caught her in a lie. Whether he was aware it would help the prosecution is another matter, but I give him credit for having problems with her story.
Some people love to play mind games. They bask in the unfounded superiority they feel they have over you. They love to tell riddles. Casey was good at that. If I told you a riddle, would you figure it out? Would I be incriminating you because of it? Yes, of course I would if you follow the same logic that because Casey told her brother a riddle about Caylee’s whereabouts, he was guilty of complicity.
LEE: What do you think, where do you think. You think Caylee’s ok right now?
CASEY: My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I got through the court, um in my gut she’s still ok. And it still feels like she’s close to home.
It’s no longer a secret that there could very well be a tie-in with Zenaida Gonzalez and where the body was found. What fascinates me, though, is that everyone is claiming that Casey was secretly conveying the location of Caylee’s body to Lee. No doubt, Casey is creepy and cryptic, but I just didn’t read that in the transcript of the conversation between the two of them, and that’s the last time they spoke about “Zani” before she was bonded out by Leonard Padilla. Any ensuing conversation at the Anthony house has not been made public. Meanwhile, the police, George, Cindy, Lee and the entire world were told about Zenaida Gonzalez. Was she telling us ALL a riddle? Or is there a conspiracy?
(Click images to enlarge)
Is this where “Zenaida” and “Gonzalez” have been all along?
To listen to the audio of the conversation, click HERE.
118 responses so far ↓
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Could it be my suspicions of Lee are baseless?
I dunno. I think he was a bit too helpful with his “investigation”
Another good article written to bring us back to common sense thinking when we want to make a mountain out of a molehill. Thanks.
And, no surprise, I must share this article at The Caylee Daily. I’ll be curious as to what your commentors will have to say.
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Oh, and if you should happen to write an article about the meter reader, i will have to share that, too. Even after his GMA appearance, there are those who still suspect him. They need a common sense article on it. (chuckle)
bellalu0 // January 13, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Dave, thank you for putting up the timeline.
But do you mean that the babysitter Zenaida lived on Hopespring? I must have missed that part.
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Thank you so much, Coreysmom. I can’t say Lee knew absolutely nothing at all since I have not been sitting by his side this whole time, but from the evidence I see before me, I have to question where all of these sensational ideas come from. If anyone reads the entire transcript of the jail house conversation, they’ll see that she wasn’t telling him where to find the body.
Just because you asked, I will do my best to dig into the meter reader’s story, but my guess is it’s going to end up the same way.
Ina // January 13, 2009 at 2:13 pm
That she borrowed a shovel from the neighbor doesnot make sense. She would know that was a suspicious thing to do?
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 2:13 pm
No, “the” Zenaida Gonzalez didn’t live there because there is no real, true Zenaida Gonzalez, not one that Casey knew, but a Zenaida and a Gonzalez do live on that street and they are the closest people, the closest houses, to where the body was discovered. I hope that explains it. Thanks, bellalu0.
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 2:14 pm
No, not necessarily, Ina. She probably thought she’d get away with it and no one would ask any questions about the shovel.
artgal16 // January 13, 2009 at 3:37 pm
court, um in my gut she’s still ok. And it still feels like she’s close to home.
If you listen to the above conversation again she actually says “And it still feel like she’s close
to HOPE” not home
check it out
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Hi, artgal16 –
I am going by the transcript released by the prosecution. It is their translation of the conversation. ‘Close to hope’ doesn’t make grammatical sense. ‘Close to home’ does. Had she said, ‘I hope she’s close’ I could understand it. Maybe, her sinuses were clogged. In any event, it wasn’t the best connection and recording I’ve ever listened to.
artgal16 // January 13, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Close to Hope makes sense if they were using a code
between them – close to Hopespring drive
is close to where the body was found.
so close to hope was a code
its just a thought
artgal16 // January 13, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I read the transcripts I know they translated
it as home – but listen to the tape
It sure sounds like hope to me
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 4:08 pm
You may well have a point there, artgal16, and that’s certainly something to consider, but I wonder… does it matter in a broader sense? I mean, close to home or close to Hopespring. What’s the difference? Either way, that means not far from home. It certainly didn’t tell him where to look, and he gave no cryptic message during that conversation about “Zenaida” or “Gonzalez” because neither name was mentioned. That would have been more of a clue, don’t you think? Oh, I did listen to the tape.
seesee // January 13, 2009 at 4:14 pm
In casey’s twisted mind, caylee was indeed close to home and “with” Zenaida + Gonzalez. This helped her to convince herself that she was, in her own mind, telling the truth. She could have even passed a polygraph with those two questions if that was all that was asked. I do wonder if she knew who lived in those two homes, but this seems too big of a coincidence that she would not know and come up with that name randomly. She cannot tell the truth but can certainly believe that her lies are her own “truths”.
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Hello, seesee. I agree. I think she scouted the neighborhood on a few of those Internet searches. If it was all premeditated, which I think it was, she knew where she was going to dispose of the body. If John Smith lived at one house and Mary Jones lived at the other, she could have told everyone that Mary Smith was her babysitter, assuming no one would ever figure out her scheme. I think you’re right about the lie detector test, too. Although not allowable in court as evidence, it would have made the case more one sided. Well, even more so than it is now.
Thanks for your input and add more if you want.
detwill39 // January 13, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Dave~~okay, how do you explain that a Zenaida Gonzales checked out the apartment at Sawgrass? Casey said she dropped Caylee off with Zenaida at Sawgrass. Casey knew the make and model of Zenaida’s vehicle and I believe knew Z’s two children’s names. Zenaida Gonzales frequented the same tatoo parlor as Casey. Just too many to be coincidental??
Dave, your imput on the above PLEASE!
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 4:44 pm
You know, I can’t say for sure, detwill39, and that’s a really good question. Maybe, she was stalking the real Zenaida? The only thing is, Casey couldn’t pick out her picture from any of the others the police showed her. She didn’t know who she was. Could it be that when Casey decided on a name from the combination in the neighborhood, she Googled a Zenaida Gonzalez in Orlando? Or could it have been the other way around? Did she follow Zenaida into the Sawgrass apartments and watch her enter the office? Did she call that office asking for Zenaida, only to be told she didn’t work there, that she was looking at an apartment? I don’t know.
You really got my attention. I’ll have to look into the Sawgrass connection. Very, very good, detwill39. You got me. I’ll get back to you, though. Trust me.
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Let me work on the neighborhood/high school classmates angle and see if there’s a connection between Casey and anyone affiliated with Sawgrass and how it might tie in with Zenaida. You know, the 6 degrees of separation. And there is the astute possibility that the Gonzalez/Zenaida up the street is purely coincidental.
detwill39 // January 13, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Dave~~the name Zenaida Gonzales’ name was searched on the Anthonys computer on July 16th…. after all this went down. Lee, Casey or Cindy may have searched.
Someone mentioned that a search for Zenaida was done back in June…It was supposed to have been in the forensic disclosure….I checked on it but couldn’t figure it out. It did look like a file had been set up for a ‘zenaida’…maybe you can make some sense of this.
I don’t believe Casey knew what Zenaida Gonzales ( the one we know) looked like. I think the girl was in luck by combining those two names. As you said, it would be like matching up a Mary Jones or John Smith.
Geez, maybe LE should have got Casey to view those two lots of land. Can you tell this is all driving me nuts?
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Yes, detwill39, and I can understand why. At the same time, I can understand the police not seeing a correlation until, most likely, a sharp private citizen did some sleuthing. That was what happened with the “One Tree Hill” connection. By a woman in Canada, of all places.
Believe me, if anything surfaces, I will let you know ASAP!
detwill39 // January 13, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Dave~~a bit of info that may help…
Vicky Aleman went to the same school as Casey. Vicky lived at sawgrass, employed as daycare, and had a 3 yr old son.
Vicky had relative/friends with the names Victor, Samantha and Rachel…names used by Casey for relatives of Zenaida
Casey’s boyfriend Anthony Rusciano….cop who got fired for lying to LE…he could have easily got a check on that licence plate of Z’s or vice versa.. Jesse Grund…cop ??
detwill39 // January 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Hey I am in Canada!!! Smart folks north of you eh?
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Yes, smart people up north. I used to visit Canade in my youth. My aunt and uncle live in Potsdam, NY. He’s a retired sci-fi writer. David Kyle. I’ve been to Quebec and Ontario. Montreal for EXPO 67 and after that, when it was Man and His World. I remember Toronto being a very clean city.
Back to the matter at hand. Yes, I knew about Vicky, or let me say, I have gotten that far, so far. If I can ever piece this together, and I don’t believe anyone has yet, I’ll bet you she put snippets of information together she unwittingly culled from friends and acquaintances. In other words, did any of them know at the time what they were doing? This might be part of the smoking gun the state has against her and is not divulging, not to the public, anyway.
I’ll continue to dig, aye?
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 5:44 pm
There has to be a connection with someone working for Sawgrass. Casey gained access to the application Zenaida filled out giving the type of vehicle she drove and the names of her children.
weezie10 // January 13, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Ok Marinade: I found what you wrote. New to the site so just feeling my way around. Thanks for the transcript of the Lee/Casey jail conversation. You are completely right on with this one. There was no cryptic message here. He was actually trying to catch her lies, knowing how good she is at it. He is the one person she can’t fool, and he really did catch her in a pool of lies. She was saved by her lawyer’s appearance. Even so, he was going to love her, stand by her, defend her from others. It’s just his nature. I know why he needs immunity, and if I was his Lawyer, I would be making sure I got it. He is not as suspicous to me , now that I have had a chance to really disect the conversation. But I will say one thing; Zanaida and Gonzales is the key to prosecutor’s case. These names are no coincidence, nor their locations.
As always Dave, you have plenty to chew on.
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Thank you so much, weezie10. I hope I haven’t bitten off more than I can chew. I don’t think I have. The whole immunity thing stems from a very broad interpretation of the law. That’s what an attorney friend told me after I had lots of questions concerning it in regard to the Anthony family. It’s not just because they might have said or done anything wrong. It’s more of a cover your butt sort of thing. Charges may be filed for any simple reason. Also, it puts the person in a better position to negotiate what they must say and how it should be said. Too many times, people say things they don’t mean because they don’t understand the law and legalese.
At the same time, I’m finding that there is no way to prove the Zenaida/Zenaida connection. My educated guess, and it is only a guess, is that Casey grew up on that street and after the years, knew most of the names of the residents. Coincidentally, she ran across a name that matched 2 of the residents and BINGO! It all came together in her head. Remember, if it turns out to be premeditated, that could play a crucial role in the case, that Casey plotted to kill Caylee and she figured out a way to cover her tracks. The perfect alibi! Only, it didn’t work.
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 6:37 pm
here’s a link for the Zenaida files found by computer forensics
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_OCSO_ComputerForensics.htm
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 6:38 pm
OOPS! You have to scroll down to where it says Zenaida.
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Excellent work, Coreysmom! I took a good look at it and I will explore it later. At 7:00pm, it’s time for Jeopardy. Thank you. There’s some very interesting stuff to look into.
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 7:07 pm
okay, here’s a link for Vicki Aleman’s comment on the caylee Anthony blog. Hope this works. I will try it after it posts.
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/casey-anthonys-connection-with-sawgrass-apartments/#comment-136643
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Yes! It worked!
hey, I owed one or two links!
Hope this helps for our Canadian friend, detwill39!
That whole article is interesting, but I just wanted to cut to the chase for you.
Now. I’m off to copy the link to your Marinades link for a friend on another blog!
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 7:34 pm
OK, Jeopardy’s over. Thank you so much for doing so much research. This is great and very much appreciated. Now, off to do some more reading on those links you provided.
I think this is great to be willing to share, too. There shouldn’t be any friction at all or competition between bloggers on this important matter. This gives everyone the opportunity to read whatever is out there and to formulate their own opinions. Hopefully, they will add to the mix. Thanks for wanting to share my blog with others. I’m more than happy to return the favor.
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 7:44 pm
You are so verywelcome. I try to help where I can.
detwill39 // January 13, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Coreysmom~~a big thank you..
Dave~~answer this in the form of a question okay?
Zenaida Gonzales.
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Which Zenaida Gonzalez?
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 8:03 pm
You are welcome, Detwill39!
detwill39 // January 13, 2009 at 8:06 pm
I’m gonna need a shrink who answers everything in the form of a question. Dave, do you ever get info from inside sources? I need to know when some new documents are going to be released.
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 9:11 pm
The only inside information I get is when I talk to someone involved with the case and it’s not really inside information. Most of it is already public but it’s trying to put the pieces together that makes it more like a complex puzzle, which it is, as are all crimes. Occasionally, I ask a good question, though, and that may garner something new. As soon as I have some free time, I’m going to do more research on a child who’s been missing since August 27, 2006. Trenton Duckett. I already spoke to the lead detective. I want to arrange a meeting with his father and everyone else involved in his search.
If and when something new pops up, I will be sure to let you know, but in the meantime, I will try to analyze what is out there.
detwill39 // January 13, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Dave~~you may find this of interest.
http://www.truveo.com/Mystery-Surrounds-Abandoned-House-Shown-On/id/3424906045
detwill39 // January 13, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I followed the Trenton Duckett case back in 2006. Do you think he may still be alive somewhere? Murtwitnessone got into a bit of hot water over that case. I never did find out how Nancy Grace’s fared with the lawsuit brought against her.
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 10:05 pm
As far as I know, and I’m almost positive, the Nancy Grace lawsuit is pending. The lead detective told me there is not much, virtually nothing. They don’t know if he is dead or alive and most people in the Leesburg area are split on it, 50/50. The owner of the dive company that searched for Caylee at Jay Blanchard Park called me one afternoon and asked me what I knew about the case. I told him I’d look more into it. I talked to the detective the next day. We both came to the conclusion, the detective and me, that it would be a good idea to talk to Trenton’s family and search team, so that’s what I plan to do. You never know, you know.
Interesting video, too. I had heard about the psychic, but I didn’t know whether he was talking to her on his cell phone or not. Casey has said all along that he was talking to his sick daughter. As far as the Anthony’s involvement in that Gonzalez house search, I think there needs to be more light shed. I’m still a little bothered by WFTV’s paying Jim Hoover for that video. I live here and Channel 9 has always overemphasized things. Everything is a drama trauma, including the weather. Now, I’m not discrediting them, mind you, I’m just a little more leery of their intentions. Everything is front page news to them.
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 10:12 pm
This may be an interesting read for you , Detwill39 and Dave
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1055
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Interesting, but I don’t see a link between the two. Not directly, anyway, and the detective in the Duckett case didn’t see one, either. If anything, Casey might have looked into that case to pick up tips on strategy, but even that’s sort of a stretch. I think if you did a study on missing children/murders, you’d likely find similarities in M.O.s and that is purely coincidental. In other words, I’ll bet a missing tot/murder in Moscow might have the same pattern of clues as one in Peoria. Gee, could it have anything to do with an unstable teenage girl bearing children?
Coreysmom // January 13, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Yes, I know you are right on that. And, yes, it could have everything to do with unstable teenage girls bearing children. Let me add that having a father and husband who can actually be the father and husband in the home would help greatly. The radical feminist group, NOW, did no favors for the family unit. And let’s try discipline in the home! No, you are parents, not your kid’s best friend! Haven’t they got enough friends?
I digress…
Marinade Dave // January 13, 2009 at 10:55 pm
I think Casey grew up in a fantasy world of lies. I doubt if she had a lot of friends; none that she would have kept for a long time or been very close to because of her lies and stealing. I don’t think she ever grew up. Fortunately, most single mothers do.
Well, time for bed. I hope we can continue this tomorrow.
Sharon day // January 13, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Dave, Dave, Dave, My hat is completely off to you! This is jaw dropping info! I never could figure out how Casey could ever have gotten any info on just who filled out application info from the Sawgrass Apts. This never made any since to me at all. But this, this is huge! This makes all the since in the wold and in her sick mind it also explains in her sick mind world when she says this person was the last to see Casey and that it is the babysitter their houses are watching over Caylee WOW Have you contacted the police Dept. with this ? I am sure this info could only help their case on how she came up with this Zenaida Gongalez ! AMAZING
You should be a P.I. I just about fell off my couch when I saw your google map!
How was your oats this morning? Take care even my husband is now asking me about your investigating work he thinks you are amazing also! GREAT WORK!!!
Molly // January 14, 2009 at 12:32 am
Casey also told a different story to LE about the phones & sim cards when they were interviewing her. This was before she talked to Lee. She said she had 2 phones, one wouldn’t hold a charge & that’s why she took the sim card from 1st one to use in the 2nd one. Then she lost the first phone. But she said all the numbers were stored directly to the (1st) phone, not the sim card.
Guess she forgot part of her story when she told Lee.
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 7:30 am
Hi, Sharon -
Thank you, but I’m not the only person who exposed the Zenaida+Gonzalez connection, nor am I the first. This is just a theory and here is still plenty of confusion between that and the Sawgrass Apartments tie-in. How are the two related? I gave my thoughts about it in one of my comments.
Anyway, the gist of the post was to dispel all of the rumors floating around the Lee was receiving secret messages from Casey. Once a rumor starts, it has a tendency to get out of hand, especially in cases like this, which has mass appeal.
I appreciate your comment, and yes, I did create the map, but I’m not the person who originated the idea. All I tried to do was take it to a different level.
Boston // January 14, 2009 at 7:36 am
She lies so much her own lies trip her up. She is the quintesesstial liar and not always in her own favor. She committed the crime and is just casually stating a pack of lies and doesn’t look , most of the time, like she is distressed. The lies are one thing but being unmoved is chilling to me.
Sawgrass: Casey went over to Sawgrass while using Tony’s car. She had friends there and after meeting with them briefly she goes over to the rental office and sees a card with ZFG name on it. She also saw her license number and connected the dots incorrrectly and said she owned a Focus when in fact it was a Kia. We all know that.
What shouldn’t be overlooked: Casey is a disordered thinker with impulse control issues. She did not commit “the perfect crime” but was protected early on from telling anything other than lies. Lawyering up was her ace in the whole for much of this investigation. When you consisder she did not look for her child, never reported her child missing , gave no credible leads to LE and allowed her parents to be her advance team speaks volumes about guilt.
Her lies will be silenced by the Science.
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 7:41 am
Hello, Molly -
Here’s the conversation with her brother about the battery:
CASEY: Yeah, it was a Black Jack. I’d only had it for probably a week, a week and half. It didn’t keep its charge so that’s why I started using that other phone.
LEE: So on the Black Jack, do you remember the phone number that the Black Jack was associated with?
CASEY: It was my same number; I just swapped the SIM card back and forth.
LEE: Ok, um…Here’s how these things work Casey, the contact information, the contact stuff is on your SIM card, so if you switched it back and forth.
CASEY: It doesn’t always save to the SIM card. You can sometimes save things to the SIM card or save it specifically to the phone, it just depends on the way the phone’s set up I thought about that too. The phone that I was currently using, the one I guess that the police still have, or you guys have it, I had set it up after the fact to just save things to my SIM card but you can also save it to just the phone or to the SIM card and the phone so there’s copy’s on both.
What’s interesting, too, is she said both phones shared the same number and she switched the SIM card back and forth. In order to switch the card between both phones, they must both be active or what’s the point? As far as I know, no carrier, or separate ones for that matter, will allow two phones to share the same number. Clearly, that’s another lie.
Thank you for commenting. Please add more if anything else comes to mind.
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 7:50 am
Hi, Boston -
Oh, she’s a liar, alright, and it will spell her downfall. Let’s say we can absolutely establish a Sawgrass connection, although Vicky A. denies she knows Casey, she had to be a slick thinker to tie Zenaida Gonzalez together with the 2 neighbors where Caylee was found. I think she had gotten so used to snowing her parents and friends all her life, she figured she could get away with murder, that even LE would believe her. What a sick idiot.
Filipa // January 14, 2009 at 9:04 am
To ALL
This doent add to me!!!I dont know about american laws, but ,how come, being the Anthony’s the bunch of LIARS, we all know…THEY DONT GET CHARGED for lying to LE?????
As far as my brain goes…. Martha Stewart was nailed for “little stock market BS”, Stuart Lybbie for the” WMD issue” WE’RE TALKING MURDER HERE!!!!
Whats going on???how can they get away with this???
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 9:22 am
There’s a difference between committing a crime and obstruction of justice. There’s a fine line that determines what is and what isn’t obstruction, too. It is very easy to be charged with it and that’s one of the reasons why they have retained legal counsel, free of charge, I must add.
Since the discovery of Caylee’s body, the Anthonys have fully cooperated. Remember, their main bone of contention was that the authorities were looking for a dead Caylee, while they insisted she was still alive.
The state has already said no charges will be filed against them and it is their decision to make, not ours. Something tells me the state knows more than we do. Of course, they are free to decide otherwise, too.
What we keep forgetting here is that no matter what you think of George and Cindy Anthony, they lost their granddaughter. They didn’t murder her. The state has taken that into consideration.
Coreysmom // January 14, 2009 at 11:39 am
Do you see any charges against Cindy from the FBI? There were emails that Kathi Belich received when Cindy claimed her email account had been hacked. Kathi sent them to the FBI.
Kathi did share the “hairbrush” email.
And, good morning!
I may not make it back here for your answer until later.
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 11:55 am
I haven’t heard of any charges yet, but I can’t check anything until I get back from having lunch with my sister. Who knows, we may be back at the same time.
weezie10 // January 14, 2009 at 4:10 pm
TO: Coreysmom, thank you for the link below which I read with great intensity. It appears someone (that likely being Casey), did a search back in 2007 for a Zanaida! Wow now we are talking planning here. The other item of great interest was the email written by Cindy regarding her daughter’s lying, betrayal, jealousy and whereabouts of Caylee back in June 2008. I have reposted the address in case anyone missed it. Do you have any other forensice sites to go to?
This case is becoming quite a detailed mystery of linking the dots. I guess all crimes are like that, but we have a group here that are pretty smart invetigators, all are mystified by the events. Just a quick question> what does LE stand for?
2nd. Did anyone watch NG last night? What’s up with the woman from channel whatever, saying she heard the investigator say “It’s right there in that spot” or something close to that. I mean we have to take her word for it, that Casey said that? There seems to be a lot of panic about this video and who knew what, when and where to look, also linking Meter guy, (poor thing). I hope the state starts to put out some real info, to stop the speculation that is rolling out of control.
Marinade: as always thanks for your wonderful sleuthing and Detwill 39, I’m also a wise Canadian, but you are the master.
Thanks all. See you later.
Weezie
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_OCSO_ComputerForensics.htm
weezie10 // January 14, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Coreysmom: Who is Kathy Belich and what are you referring to re : Cindy’s emails? Are you saying that Cindy lied about the state of her computer (ie it was not hacked ) and she was using it?
Weezie
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 4:38 pm
I don’t know where everybody is right now. As a matter of fact, I just returned, but I can at least answer a couple of your questions in the meantime. Kathi Belich is the reporter from WFTV (Channel 9, Eyewitness News,) the ABC affiliate in Orlando. She has been the primary investigator on this case from that station.
Cindy Anthony has not been charged with a crime. The issue is not about hacking. Back in November, the fired Anthony publicity hog, Larry Garrison, forwarded an e-mail to Kathi Belich that Cindy had sent him. Belich then forwarded it to the FBI. It’s old news now. It’s about giving the FBI the wrong hairbrush. In the e-mail, Cindy allegedly told Garrison she never lied to police.
weezie10 // January 14, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Dear MD- thanks for that enlightenment. I don’t think there is any crime here for sure. I heard on NG that Cindy wrote a recent email stating she believes her daughter is innocent and that ZG did it. I mean really, she does need immunity if for nothing more than contradictory statements like the last one I mentioned. She knows her daughter lies, steals and is full of deception. I guess she just can’t take the final leap, that her daughter used Caylee as the pawn. What a dysfunctional family. There deep rooted ugliness between Cindy and Casey with jealousy at the core. Poor George is just the onlooker, led by Cindy with the noose closely tied. Whatever happens, George, Cindy, and Lee will stick by the liar just because one pinky is missing and they don’t want another to go.
My thoughts only.
Weezie
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I think Cindy is sort of a whack job, too. You know why? Because after all those lies, after all those thefts, she still thinks there’s no way Casey could have killed her child. Or, at least she did think that way. We haven’t heard a peep out of her since Caylee was found. The only things we hear come from their attorney and all he says is that the family supports Casey. OK, I can understand a family supporting a member through thick or thin, but the support doesn’t sound as radical as it used to. There are no rants about Casey’s innocence like before.
I wonder how they will handle it when they are subpoenaed by the prosecution as hostile witnesses. There are going to be some very strong questioning and they’ve got to tell the truth, like what George told the police during the taped interview. The ‘you know what’ will hit the fan, I think.
Dave
weezie10 // January 14, 2009 at 5:30 pm
MD, we did hear from her because on NG, apparently that email was written this week, emphatically stating her daugher is innocent. She really needs a shrink here. Again my question to all is: what does LE stand for?
Who is paying for all the lawyers and specialists for Casey? hmmm. Maybe ET, Larry King, GMA? Noone does anything for nothing.
Weezie
weezie10 // January 14, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Oh and by the way, why would the prosectuion handle them as hostile, unless those statements aren’t allowed before the jury? I mean you get more flies with honey, and if the state is clever they will play the sympathy card, saying “we know how difficult this must be for you, but all we want is the truth of what you saw, smelled and heard, the day you found your abandoned car”. In fact I’m pretty sure those statements will come in, so they speak for themselves, the immediate urgency of fear in both Cindy and George.
Weezie
detwill39 // January 14, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Dave~~I will add that in the email where Cindy replied to Garrison’s query about giving LE the wrong brush, she said “I didn’t lie, I just didn’t go in the bathroom and give them the brush we use for Caylee”…maybe not in those exact words but similar. Cindy deliberately gave them a hair brush that she was used both by Casey and Caylee. IMO, the LE should have been made aware of who used the brush. I assume the DNA of the hair of both Casey and Caylee would be a close match.
Weezie~~LE=Law
OCSD=Orange County Sheriffs Department
Weezie~~if you have not watched the FBI video interviews of Cindy and George , just go to this site…
http://www.wftv.com/news/18032990/detail.html#-
lots of transcripts here to read…
http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/casey_anthony_files_released.html
detwill39 // January 14, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Weezie~~I just read your previous post and got a chuckle. The prosecution will not offer the Anthony toast and tea with a bit of honey. The A’s are considered ‘hostile’ because what they say under oath, will no doubt, play a big part in incrimination their own daughter. I suspect that Cindy will have to be told several times, “let me remind you that you are under oath” by the prosecuting attorney. Cindy cannot use the “but I am a grieving grandmother” as she did with LE and the FBI.
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Hostile in law doesn’t have the same meaning as it does in, let’s say, war, or the cop pulled over a hostile drunk. Hostile in this case means the witness is not willingly testifying for the state. The defense doesn’t want to call them to the stand because that allows the prosecution to cross examine. Therefore, the state must call them to the witness stand. It has nothing to do with being sweet and talking nice. That would get you nowhere in court because the witnesses are sworn to tell the truth only, whether the questioning comes from the prosecution or the defense. Sometimes, defense attorneys call persons to the stand that are considered hostile, too.
detwill39 // January 14, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Dave~~you explained that much better. Thank You!
It is no secret that in Canada as well as Great Breton, once a case goes before the courts , it is not discussed in the media. This is one reason I find this case, especially with The Sunshine Law, so intriguing.
I love to watch the interviews and try to analyze them…. cross reference LE with FBI ….take notice of the body language etc etc .
Even the um um huhs in the written documents are interesting.
In order to be a good liar, you must have a good memory!
weezie10 // January 14, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Thanks you two, for the information, but I watched every second of the O.J. trail and I watch Court TV constantly so I do know what hostile means, but you know sometimes even though it is my wishful thinking, common sense can pervail. If they really want a conviction, you pull out the hostile statement to the jury but handle them with kid gloves, until they (any Anthony on the stand), starts to play games. That’s when you go after them! It’s a dance so to speak. I must say I would hope noone would have to go through this, but it happens all over the world. There will always be crimes of passion. Let’s just hope JUSTICE still flourishes.
Weezie
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 6:40 pm
At first, detwill39, I wasn’t sure about what e-mail you were talking about. That whole thing came down in November. Don’t you think the FBI or any other LE agency would have acted by now if they thought it was worthy? Sure, it was most likely obstruction, but don’t you think the feds, having done this sort of thing for so long, take emotions and confusion into consideration? I would think, after 2 months, we would have seen some sort of prosecution. As a matter of fact, it was weeks after the hairbrush story broke that the state saisd it would pursue no charges of that nature against any of the Anthonys. That’s why I was wondering what you meant this morning, like, did I miss something?
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 6:44 pm
True, weezie10, but I would never call Casey’s killing Caylee a crime of passion. It’s more like a crime of hatred.
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Personally, I think all lawyers involved in this case will sign book deals. That’s where they will make the big bucks. Until then, most of them are probably working for free. The poorest one in the bunch is Baez. He’ll end up making the most and certainly, he’ll never be an obscure DUI lawyer again.
weezie10 // January 14, 2009 at 6:51 pm
MD: Hate is a passion too. Passion does not only relate to the good of love but the bad of hate.
Weezie
weezie10 // January 14, 2009 at 6:54 pm
MD: Ever taken a look at his clothing? He ain’t poor that’s for sure, DUI or otherwise. And you are right about him making the big enchelata. I wonder why, other than the Anthony’s being so stubborn about their feelings for Casey, did their Lawyer resign from respresenting them. Do you think he knows more than what he can reveal? I mean that is a pretty poor excuse for firing your clients. There is more here and I’m sure if anyone can find what it is, it will be you or detwill39!!!!
Weezie
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 6:55 pm
detwill39, I think we both explained it well. You got to admit, the Sunshine Law sure does make it more interesting.
(For anyone not aware of what the Sunshine Law is: State or federal law, also called government in the sunshine law, that requires most meetings of regulatory bodies to be held in public and most of their decisions and records to be disclosed.)
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 7:00 pm
They didn’t fire their lawyer. Larry Garrison was their publicist. They fired him after he sold an image to NBC. The Anthonys said then that they didn’t want anyone to make any money off of Caylee. Actually, it’s standard practice in the industry. Just wait until the trial is over and see how many are going to make money.
I’m sure Baez has some backing at this point. besides, part of a lawyers persona is his fancy attire.
Time for Jeopardy! Back in a half.
weezie10 // January 14, 2009 at 7:05 pm
MD: I think you should go here. It was posted earlier today. Nejemi is the Anthony’s Lawyer and he gave them the boot. read it there, after your Jeopardy. I have to go too. Wine and dinner await me. I hope this makes sense to my last statement.
Weezie
http://www.wftv.com/news/18025838/detail.html
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Ah yes, Mark NeJame. I had forgotten about him. His problem was that he concluded that Caylee was dead and Casey did it and the Anthonys wanted no part of that theory, so he quit. I’ve met him before. He’s very well known and respected in the Central Florida area. He also was frustrated because Cindy did not heed his advice to keep her yap shut. I’ve also met John “For the People” Morgan, Zenaida Gonzalez’s lawyer. I used to belly up to the bar with him a number of years ago. I could tell you stories about him.
NeJame (when he quit and Caylee had not yet been found):
“I had come to a personal opinion and theory for quite some time whether Caylee was still with us or not. However, my opinion was only one like any other … an opinion. The only person without an opinion though is Casey Anthony as only she knows the truth.
“I believe that the singular person out of the 6 billion people in the world who holds the key to finding Caylee is her mother, Casey Anthony. Although I was quite successful in resolving a multitude of matters, I am unable to go further to help George and Cindy find Caylee in my current role. I can only provide my best advice and must respect any client’s prerogative to do what they deem is best, whether they choose to follow my guidance or not. However, there is little value or use I can provide to any client if they choose to act and comment at will.
“As someone who has learned and knows the inner workings and details of the case and its various characters intimately, the rampant sensationalism and unfounded accusations must stop. Allow Cindy and George Anthony the respect and decency of dealing with their hope and efforts to find their missing and beloved Caylee as they need to. Allow those with differing opinions on finding and searching for Caylee, whether she is with us or not, to do their jobs without interruption. Finally, the judicial system is in play and justice will be best served by mindless meddlers staying out of something they know little of. There are many wonderful people involved in efforts to find Caylee and there are, unfortunately, many who are exploiting this child. Sadly, most in the public are clueless about who is doing what and what is really going on. The negative actions of some are only counterproductive and hurtful to the cause of those many good people who are doing so much to do something positive with this most sad and tragic situation.
“There should only be one goal and that is to find Caylee Marie Anthony.”
Coreysmom // January 14, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Poppin’ in to say, Hi!
You are welcome, Weezie10, my friend!
It looks as though your questions have been answered and by those who are far better at explaining than I.
I was cleaning off my desk and ran across a note concerning the Zenaida files. And, Weezie spotted it. Two files created- one on 10/22/07 and one on 612/08. It does look like she was trying to put together a file for the babysitter in case Cindy should be nosy. Like she made up her fake co-workers by sending fake emails to herself.
On how Casey got the info on Zenaida Gonzales, my one time theory was that Casey used her computer and found Zenaida’s MySpce account and perhaps saw that she was going to look at that Apartment. Casey also looked up other Zenaidas and put together bits and pieces of each one for her final composite of her nanny.
Anyway, I’m poohed so I will stop in later before I go to bed and check out the good comments.
Detwill39, Thanks for the links!
detwill39 // January 14, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Dave~~I have the greatest respect for Mark NeJame. The Anthony’s did not want to heed anyones advice who didn’t totally agree with them that Caylee was alive. I will give NeJame credit for trying . He was very well spoken when he made his exit.
My concern is not with Cindy getting obstruction charges re the hair brush, cleaning the car and those slacks…but you do not lie to the FBI…George and Cindy’s interviews just didnt coincide. Cindy didn’t know she was on video….George was supposed to be in shock…this speaks volumes.
Dave~~you have peaked my curosity! You bellied up to the bar with Morgan?? A bar where they sell whiskey and beer or a side bar??
Coreysmom // January 14, 2009 at 8:21 pm
One more thing to say.
As far as George and Cindy taking the stand, I wonder if prosecution will just use the tapes and911 calls and George’s GJ testimony. The only thing that I can see would to bring Cindy to the stand to explain the fight on June 15th. I think it might be risky for prosecution to have them on the stand, or Cindy at least.
detwill39 // January 14, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Coreysmom~~Cindy will be one tough witness. I believe in Lee’s interview, he mentioned the ‘choking’… I am wondering how he learned of this…did he witness it or was it hearsay? The neighbor heard Casey swear at her mother and loud voices…but unless she was right there and witnessed it…I don’t think it would stand up in a court of law…Cindy will definitely deny there was an altercation with Casey on June 15th…
The prosecution should try to bring the first 911 call into evidence…in this call Cindy is overheard saying ..”I’ve given you 30 days or I would get custody”…maybe not in those exact words..
Dammit…I’m gonna get my bar licence and come to Florida and work for the prosecution.
detwill39 // January 14, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Here in Canada we don’t need a bar licence, we just bootleg.
Dave~~are you gonna start a new blog with a new question?
Just heard on NG, your boy Lee is seeking criminal immunity…
Coreysmom // January 14, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Love your Quote du Joir
“Yes, your honor”, Casey Anthony
Coreysmom // January 14, 2009 at 9:11 pm
And I heard earlier that LE doesn’t have anything on Lee…
The media sure does confuse me…
Coreysmom // January 14, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Hi, detwill39, you are right. Unless there is a witness to the fight, it would do no good to bring up that fight. Maybe Lee did witness it. He told Jesse Grund, I believe.
Coreysmom // January 14, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Geez, what a mess that would be with Cindy on the stand…
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 9:48 pm
My guess (it’s only a guess) is that Casey was looking for a fictitious babysitter to appease her parents. She didn’t care who watched her child, but her parents did.
I don’t think anyone can say with absolute knowledge and authority how Casey found the connection with Zenaida Gonzalez and the Sawgrass Apartments. Vicky A., one lead, denies ever knowing her. I wish it was easier. I can’t say for sure that the Gonzalez and the Zenaida who lived up the street were part of her plan because almost everything we learn comes from what law enforcement allows us to see, hear and read. As NeJame said, there’s so much you do not know. I do fervently believe the trial will enlighten us all, as the state begins its testimony. I absolutely believe George, Cindy and Lee will be called to testify. Live people trump tapes any day and the jury must hear it for themselves.
I do not believe the hairbrush flap is going to bring charges against Cindy. That happened 2 months ago. The only thing I know about Lee is that he was accused of taking donated money and using it inappropriately. So far, nothing. No charges. It will be tough to prove and I do not think the state wants or needs to prosecute any more Anthonys at this time. After the Casey trial, whatever. NG and all the rest are sensationalizing this whole thing. If there’s nothing to report on Casey, let’s rip Lee a new A-hole. Tomorrow, Cindy! The focus here should be on Casey. That’s why I analyzed the conversation between her and Lee at the jail. Read the conversation. The press deviated from exactly what was said and made Lee a fall guy. I wasn’t trying to defend him. I was just trying to say it like it really was.
I did drink with John Morgan. Like I said, I do have a few tales to tell, but I won’t. There is a bar in downtown Orlando called Tanquerays. It had a reputation as a lawyer’s hangout. That’s not necessarily why I went, but I did (and still do) have attorney friends I’d sometimes drink with. That’s how I got to know him. I wrote about the place about 2 years ago:
Whiskey River and the 3 Marlboro Omelet
I don’t really go to bars any longer, so I haven’t seen him in a while.
I will be writing more and questioning things as they come along. I wrote an article today, but it’s primarily an opinion piece and it explains some of the things that make the murder premeditated. I don’t know when I will run it, but I am planning on going down to Suburban Drive tomorrow to take some photographs. Hopefully, I will be able to post them by tomorrow night or, better yet, late in the afternoon.
Marinade Dave // January 14, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Thanks, Coreysmom, on the Quote du Jour compliment. Actually, I made it up, knowing full well she must have said it.
detwill39 // January 14, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Thanks Dave! I thought you may be a retired lawyer…sry for being nosey but you seem so well versed on the law…
So you really did retire from the bar in ‘ a backwards sort of way’…LOL
Thanks for letting me participate here and I look forward to your next blog….
Coreysmom // January 14, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Thanks for the chuckles, Marinade Dave and detwill39!
Anticipating your new post!
detwill39 // January 14, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Dave~~I followed the link and read Whiskey River and the 3Marlboro Omelet……..what a read and so well written.
When I worked for a local newpaper I became quite familar with graphic arts…..small world!
Coreysmom // January 14, 2009 at 11:07 pm
So did I, detwill39. A good read, indeed, with Martin Luther King, Jr. Day around the corner.
Marinade Dave // January 15, 2009 at 6:50 am
And the election of an African-American president, too.
Sorry, I fell asleep last night. I must have needed it, I guess. Thank s for the compliments on that post.
weezie10 // January 15, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Ok Dave M. Waiting for the new post. Glad to hear you caught up on your much needed sleep. Are you ready for the next blaaaadada.
I’m still wondering about Lee? What’s up with that dude. Are they or aren’t they planning on something to get him to fall. I happen to agree with you about him. I actually think he was trying his very best to determine the lies from the truth with Casey. He seems like a very detail oriented person, always trying to find the facts. I just hope he doesn’t get slammed here. He may have known something but I kind of doubt it. I mean, if he did, what benefit would have come from him hiding his knowlege of where Caylee was buried. Lee’s lawyer certainly denies he was on the other end of the phone, talking to the P.I. during his search. I’m sure phone records will dispell this rumour.
Weezie
Marinade Dave // January 15, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Lee is taking so much flak from the press. No way do I believe he’s involved in any sort of plot. I’ve been doing some research. I’ll be writing about it starting tomorrow, but I can’t give a specific date it will appear. In the meantime, I am getting ready to upload all of the photos I took today, with commentary. I just got home.
weezie10 // January 15, 2009 at 4:24 pm
can hardly wait> I just posted a couple of things on your page. It says it’s a new Caylee blog or something like it???? Hopefully you can tell me what I did or did not do right.
Weezie
weezie10 // January 15, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Hey Marinade I know you are watching the plane that landed in the Hudson R. but check this out. Don’t miss NG if you are still interested in what the Anthony’s have to say to Casey. Yup, they went to the jail today and it’s on tape.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html
Weezie
Marinade Dave // January 15, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Oh, I’ll have to catch up on that. I went to the jail today, too, and I’ve been spending most of the evening uploading my pictures. What a coincidence.
weezie10 // January 15, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Well sorry for the misinformation. I didn’t read it properly. These are old tapes, newly released. In any case, it sure looks like Cindy was a mess and good ole George was holding down the fort. Anyway, looks like Casey, even though she knew she was getting out, played it to the hilt. I swear she really has a loose screw. Now what I want to know is the latest on the Meter reader’s discovery of Caylee’s skull back in August! I guess I will have to wait till tomorrow. It is getting late so I will post the recipe under marinades tomorrow later in the day,,,, ok? Take care DM. I guess you are busy doing your photo thing. Lot’s to talk about tomorrow. Nitie night.
Weezie
Marinade Dave // January 15, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Thanks, weezie. The post is up already. You have a good night.
ShellzBellzz // January 19, 2009 at 2:42 pm
I just want to say I do not agree with the people that are making money off of this tragic event and loss of a precious life. Shame on them!!!
Newbie // January 19, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I second that, ShellzBellzz !!
Filipa // January 19, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I Agree that Making money on it is sick, but worse IMO is to try to transform Caylee in the poster child for missing children, when WE KNOW she was never a missing child, but one that was murdered by her own mother.
weezie10 // January 19, 2009 at 5:45 pm
For those of you who want enlightenment to Casey’s psyche; please go to the address below. There you will find the best explanation of Casey and how the PHD’r sees her. I sent this to NG in hope that she would pass it on to Jesse Gund, as he seemed in so much torment about how Casey had changed. NOT. Just let me know how you see this. I found it quite telling.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/10/19/222920.php
Weezie
Marinade Dave // January 19, 2009 at 6:01 pm
That is an excellent read, Weezie, in spite of it’s October publish date. Casey is a sociopath, alright. I think everyone should read that article to get a good grasp of what makes her tick and how she has manipulated everyone, including her parents. especially them, since they are being so maligned. Not that they are completely innocent, but Casey made herself into what she is.
That was a great find!
Ina // January 19, 2009 at 6:04 pm
I thought she was a narcistic personality? or a borderliner?
Ina // January 19, 2009 at 6:08 pm
I mean that is what I have read.
ajlouny // January 19, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Just the fact that she did not tell anyone of her missing child and was cryptic with all the information on the whereabouts of her daughter makes me think that she knew more about what happened. I would be hysterical if my child was missing. I would be putting up a big stink and making everyone aware. There would be no secrets.
Marinade Dave // January 20, 2009 at 7:20 am
Yes, Ina, she is, and that’s what that article points out.
Marinade Dave // January 20, 2009 at 7:23 am
Hello, Ajlouny -
I agree with you completely. Her lack of response and emotion to her daughter’s disappearance gave her away. I think that law enforcement had their suspect within the first 3 seconds of meeting her.
Ina // January 20, 2009 at 7:25 am
I hadnot read page 2
Marinade Dave // January 20, 2009 at 7:32 am
Aha!
weezie10 // January 25, 2009 at 11:33 am
Well last night when I got home around midnight I decided to go to a website that someone here posted, likely DM. I milled through the evidence and I also took a look at all her call on the cell, including text messages. YOu could only see ones coming in, I guess the police would have to go to all the people that emailed her for questioning. What I found interesting is that she got about 100 text messages from strangers on the 16th & 17th asking her to go to their MY SPACE page. Little nosy particles coming from nowhere wanting to become her new best friend. This is a really sick world. Anyway the players that we know are also listed, like Jesse and her present boyfriend, some friends, and people like DAD, MOMMA, ANTHONYLAND, you get the vibe? Some of her friends were compassionate and others were freatking out asking why she hadn’t told anyone by now.
There is a lot of evidence if you go and search out the right files. This will somewhat dispell a lot of rumours as you can see it first had, what the Prosecution has to work with. YOu can create your own mini trial in your head.
Have fun.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html?refresh=1
Weezie
Marinade Dave // January 25, 2009 at 11:41 am
That is an excellent source for reference material, Weezie. Thank you. I will have to quick Chrome and use Firefox, because this browser doesn’t recognize the present version of Reader.
Linda Hering in Boston // February 3, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Does anyone find it weird that everytime lately they show Zeneida, it’s always a closeup of that heart shaped tattoo on her hand? It seems to be more prominant since a heart shaped sticker was found on the duct tape of poor baby Caylee. I just find it all to weird. I’m not a Casey suppoter, just the opposite, but I think it’s a bit weird?
Marinade Dave // February 4, 2009 at 10:29 am
Oh, Linda Hering in Boston, you know how the press thrives on stuff like this. Without that morbid curiosity, how would it sell? Yes, of course it’s weird, but that’s what the public has been begging for.
Donna // February 8, 2009 at 2:19 pm
How very astute of you….are the police aware of this coincidence??…..one thing that I have learned by following this case from day one is this: there always seems to be a little bit of truth mixed in with Caseys’ lies somehow…..the key is finding it…..
Marinade Dave // February 8, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Thank you, Donna. I picked up on the coincidence from something I read elsewhere, but it wasn’t played up on. It was left as a shrug of sorts. I thought it was very worthy of a closer look. I’m sure if we bloggers can figure this stuff out, law enforcement is way ahead of us. Aside from that piece of information, I really wanted to point out how people were barking up the wrong tree with regard to Lee. There were no secret messages being passed. Her words will come back to haunt her, I’m sure, along with enough evidence to sink a Titanic sized ship named after her.
Juanita Bosmeny // February 22, 2009 at 4:21 pm
juanita bosmeny from cocoa, fl
Hey all ya’ll ,ya’ll have some great questions and anwers. I’ve been following this case from the beging but ya’ll know stuff i must have missed alone the way. Thanks everyone for some great info.
Marinade Dave // February 22, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Thank you, Juanita Nita. Follow along here and add your thoughts anytime.